We have a chance to draft a guy who has the same style of Eli or a guy who has the same style as Mariota... who ya taking....
Well, you'd have to tell me which version of Eli it is - because I obviously want the guy who won 2 Super Bowls before I want Marcus Mariota. That's a no brainer. But in 2018, I'd probably take my chances with a healthy Mariota because a guy with legs is the only thing that has a chance behind a line like this.
I'm not hung up on the mobile QB thing as much as it probably sounds I am, though.
A pocket passer is fine - Jared Goff is doing a pretty darn good job right now and he's not taking off running constantly.
There are a lot of intangibles and other things that go into it. The school/offense he came from, etc.
I'm biased, and I don't even know if he'll come out this year - but if the Giants ever have a realistic shot at drafting Tua Tagovailoa, I hope they do. He's a lefty Russell Wilson.
My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Wilson never rattled
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Always accurate and makes the most of every chance he gets. No one ever says Wilson "sees shadows" or has "David Carr syndrome". No missed reads, no overthrows, no running into sacks. Seattle back in the game
My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
Last year against the chiefs in OT. 35 yard bomb on 4th down to the 3 to roger Lewis to set up game winning FG.
My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
Last year against the chiefs in OT. 35 yard bomb on 4th down to the 3 to roger Lewis to set up game winning FG.
when we were 2-8 and well out of the playoffs? That mattered to you?
My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
Last year against the chiefs in OT. 35 yard bomb on 4th down to the 3 to roger Lewis to set up game winning FG.
God, I'm not trying to shit on Eli here, but that game was a preseason game for all intents and purposes in terms of importance to us.
As we know a QB should be able to complete passes even with no pass blocking.
But wait, I heard here hes a mobile QB that would be fine with a bad line like ours!
No one is saying any of this stuff. Hyperbole is a shitty way to argue
You should've read some threads today...
Then direct it to the people saying it in those threads. What's the point of saying it here when it's not countering anything actually being said in this discussion?
You said no one was saying it, when it's been on this site all day.
The Giants went 3-13 last year and are now 0-2 again.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
As a Mets fan who bailed when times were tough and came over to the winning side I dont think you are the best qualified person to be discussing when you should part ways with Eli. Hahahahahaha
Who are you?
Anyway - yeah, my baseball fandom is totally relevant to this discussion. Great point.
Maybe try countering with something worthy of discussion next time?
Read back in the thread. Plenty of points all centered around the fact that no QB can operate without protection.
And yes your baseball fandom is revalent. You are obviously not someone who can deal with adversity and come out the other end. Just pick a winner. Maybe become a fucking Pats fan.
Seattle also had a top D until their players started dropping like flies.
Their last half of the year was ugly all around.
They had a pretty good run - the window couldn't stay open forever. They got victimized by the cap and a bunch of injuries - they had to choose to pay certain guys and let others go. It's obviously not the same team. Chancellor is gone, Sherman is gone, Bobby Wagner is banged up, Irvin is gone, Bennett is gone.
But Russell Wilson has been playing at a really high level in the face of some pretty shitty OL play. A lot of the hyperbolic, sarcastic comments taking shots at posters who think his mobility is an asset are pretty silly. He's having a bad night and his line is terrible, but their line has been bad for some time now and he's still managed to be a pretty great player.
Care to regale us about more enthralling Geno Smith tales?
The funny thing is I guarantee this jackoff troll would absolutely be all over Eli's ass if he threw a pick 6 and fumbled in exactly the same way Wilson did on back to back drives with the game in reach
The Giants went 3-13 last year and are now 0-2 again.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
As a Mets fan who bailed when times were tough and came over to the winning side I dont think you are the best qualified person to be discussing when you should part ways with Eli. Hahahahahaha
Who are you?
Anyway - yeah, my baseball fandom is totally relevant to this discussion. Great point.
Maybe try countering with something worthy of discussion next time?
Read back in the thread. Plenty of points all centered around the fact that no QB can operate without protection.
And yes your baseball fandom is revalent. You are obviously not someone who can deal with adversity and come out the other end. Just pick a winner. Maybe become a fucking Pats fan.
Again.. who are you? I don't remember ever discussing my baseball fandom with you once. Ever.
And you're right... I can't deal with adversity.
That's why I'm a Rangers fan who hasn't seen the Stanley Cup lifted since age 9. A Knicks fan who hasn't seen a championship.... ever.
And someone who dealt with the Mets through Generation K, the worst team money could buy, the Wainwright curveball, being at the final game of 2007 AND 2008 in person to watch them put a bow on two horrific collapses, a terrible 2009... 2010... 2011... 2012.... 2013... 2014... a world series run in 2015... a disappointing 2016, a lost 2017...
But you're right. I totally just bail at the first sign of trouble.
Maybe don't worry about who I root for and ask yourself why you care or why it bothers you. I can't even remember conversing with you about baseball on this board a single time.
Any time you feel like contributing something relevant, feel free.
Care to regale us about more enthralling Geno Smith tales?
You're clinically retarded. What part of "Wilson does everything on SEA" don't you understand? What are his circumstances? Who is on the Bears' defense?
You're the worst kind of dick rider. Make sure you kill yourself when Eli leaves NYG before the separation anxiety kills you first.
Fuckin loser feels like it's his soulbound duty to ride Eli's dick into the sunset
Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
I admire the shit out of Wilson and I think he's one of the better QB's in the game.
Tonight has shown for both teams that below average OL's will result in some poor QB play. It will also end up being Chicago's achilles heel
And I'm also fucking with elogmen for being a complete moron
Nah I know - awful offensive lines are hard to overcome. "Draft a mobile QB" is simplifying it a bit too much, so that's really not what I am suggesting.
Personally, I am just getting to a point where I'm running out of other places to direct the blame. This is now the 3rd coach we've had here with a struggling offense and it just seems like no matter what weapons we add or who we sign or draft to fix the OL, the result is the same.
I think eventually it gets fair to question whether or not Eli is still worth paying what we are paying him if this is the result we're going to see.
If it's an impossible situation for any QB, just put someone cheaper back there and spend more money on the defense.
I just don't see where we're going with this. It doesn't look like the team is any better now than they were before despite all of the turnover and overhaul. Maybe it will get better - but if we aren't good enough to be in the playoff mix this year, I'm not sure what the endgame really is.
Eventually someone has to realize that the "try to build around Eli" approach simply isn't working.
Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
That definitely won't solve all of the problems.
But it's fair to question whether paying Eli 22M of our cap dollars is still worth it at this point, isn't it?
The issue before was we couldn't score 30 points.
Now we're 2 games in and haven't even hit 20 despite drafting Saquon Barkley, having obj back, Sterling Shepard and Evan Engram.
The line still sucks, but Gettleman spent a lot of money on Solder and Omameh and also used a 2nd rounder to draft Will Hernandez.
Something has to give here.
whenever I watch a seattle game (didn't watch tonight)
Wilson throws a good first read and a nice deep ball, but if that isn't there holds it too long. He makes his OLine look bad at times. When he buys time scrambling and guys get open for the easy pass, he is the best in the league at creating that opportunity. He'll also launch a ball out of bounds at halftime or the end of the game down by more than 8 with no time left to protect his stats.
I don't think his line is bad; it's that the Bears DL is just very good. But SEA doesn't support Wilson like we do Eli with the best receiver in the league, top TE, top HB, top 10 LT, etc.
Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
That definitely won't solve all of the problems.
But it's fair to question whether paying Eli 22M of our cap dollars is still worth it at this point, isn't it?
The issue before was we couldn't score 30 points.
Now we're 2 games in and haven't even hit 20 despite drafting Saquon Barkley, having obj back, Sterling Shepard and Evan Engram.
The line still sucks, but Gettleman spent a lot of money on Solder and Omameh and also used a 2nd rounder to draft Will Hernandez.
Something has to give here.
Eli has one year left on his deal. If he has a terrible year and the team sucks then you make a decision in the off-season. Bitching about it now accomplishes nothing because theres no one behind him to seriously challenge for the job.
Anyway, I've written the equivalent of a fucking thesis in this thread at this point - could have cleared out my work e-mails 5 times over by now. I think I've made my point - fine if people disagree.
I don't think "get a mobile QB" is the answer.
I just think people need to realize there's a middle ground and that questioning whether or not the decision to stick with Eli was the right one is fair at this point. I get it - we all love Eli. But some of you guys get so defensive at the mere suggestion that Manning is part of the problem and then it just turns into personal attacks and arguing about aspects that don't matter.
Everyone wants the same thing... for the Giants to stop being a fucking joke.
I don't think I have all of the answers. I was on board with their plan, but now that I've seen how it has started to play out, I'm certainly concerned and I think everyone should be.
Doesn't mean it can't or won't get better. I just no longer have the same faith that perhaps maybe I used to. Those 2 Super Bowl runs gave the Giants a lot of passes in my eyes. I tended to believe they knew what they were doing for a long time.
I guess I've lost a bit of that faith recently. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop rooting for the Giants - nor have I once ever suggested that I would. Just tired of watching completely non-competitive seasons. There's nothing worse as a football fan than this hopeless feeling on September 17th that you may already be sunk.
RE: whenever I watch a seattle game (didn't watch tonight)
Wilson throws a good first read and a nice deep ball, but if that isn't there holds it too long. He makes his OLine look bad at times. When he buys time scrambling and guys get open for the easy pass, he is the best in the league at creating that opportunity. He'll also launch a ball out of bounds at halftime or the end of the game down by more than 8 with no time left to protect his stats.
Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
That definitely won't solve all of the problems.
But it's fair to question whether paying Eli 22M of our cap dollars is still worth it at this point, isn't it?
The issue before was we couldn't score 30 points.
Now we're 2 games in and haven't even hit 20 despite drafting Saquon Barkley, having obj back, Sterling Shepard and Evan Engram.
The line still sucks, but Gettleman spent a lot of money on Solder and Omameh and also used a 2nd rounder to draft Will Hernandez.
Something has to give here.
Eli has one year left on his deal. If he has a terrible year and the team sucks then you make a decision in the off-season. Bitching about it now accomplishes nothing because theres no one behind him to seriously challenge for the job.
If this season turns into a disaster, people have the right to complain. We've seen a lot of putrid football lately. I think we're all getting tired of it.
I don't think his line is bad; it's that the Bears DL is just very good. But SEA doesn't support Wilson like we do Eli with the best receiver in the league, top TE, top HB, top 10 LT, etc.
that Seattle oline was historically bad. And it was.
It looks they are picking up where they left off. I was floored what the didn't do in the draft. They had 9 picks and picked 1 olineman! In the 5th round!
We think Eli has it bad. Wilson really has it bad.
Kahlil Mack is just a fucking monster. That was a great trade for the Bears.
Eh, I think its a bit early to say its a great trade. Hes a phenomenal player and will help them, no doubt. But, they mortgaged quite a bit of their future to get him. Two years without a first round pick is a big deal.
If it gets them a Super Bowl Championship, it will definitely be worth it. They made a huge gamble that had better pay off. If it doesnt, that franchise will be in a giant hole for a while.
He's a HoF level talent. The odds of getting a player of his caliber with either of those picks will be very slim.
Look at the difference he's making already. He's basically beating the Seahawks by himself.
That pretty much proves my point. Mack is one player. Granted a very talented one but, still just one player. On the defensive side of the ball.
Trubiskys been nothing special and, while there are good players on that offense, theyre nothing special. Not to sound like Jim Fassel but, they pushed all of their chips to the center of the table for one very good player hoping that hes the piece that pushes them over the top.
Like I said before, if it brings them even one championship, it will have been worth it. If it doesnt, they mortgaged a hell of a lot of their future for one player. And while he has HOF talent, ask a Bears fan if theyd rather watch a player get inducted into the HOF or watch the team hoist up a 2nd Lombardi.
How people make excuses for other players in the league, yet bash the QB of their suppose favorite team whenever they get a chance. When I say that there are people here who root for Eli, I am dead serious because they would have nothing to post about.
The excuses made for Wilson last night were hysterical. The OLine has nothing to do with the pick 6 or the fumble.... but people have no problem excusing them. If that were Eli, we would have 700 threads looking to tar and feather him. And this geno Smith fan who is using words like faggot and retarded should be instantly banned as he is an obvious dupe.
Russell Wilson was an MVP candidate as recently as last year and he's much younger than Eli - I think it's fair to give him a pass a bit more often because he's proven that he deserves one.
Does anyone doubt that Wilson is a top flight QB in this league?
Who would you take over him outside of Rodgers or Brady?
His line is awful. He also had a poor game last night. it happens. Our QB has been having poor games for the majority of the last 2+ seasons.
Wilson is a much, much better QB than Eli is at this point in time. That doesn't erase anything Eli has accomplished in the past whatsoever. But not a single GM in the NFL would take Eli Manning over Russ right now and no one would even need more than a split second to think about it.
We have a chance to draft a guy who has the same style of Eli or a guy who has the same style as Mariota... who ya taking....
Well, you'd have to tell me which version of Eli it is - because I obviously want the guy who won 2 Super Bowls before I want Marcus Mariota. That's a no brainer. But in 2018, I'd probably take my chances with a healthy Mariota because a guy with legs is the only thing that has a chance behind a line like this.
I'm not hung up on the mobile QB thing as much as it probably sounds I am, though.
A pocket passer is fine - Jared Goff is doing a pretty darn good job right now and he's not taking off running constantly.
There are a lot of intangibles and other things that go into it. The school/offense he came from, etc.
I'm biased, and I don't even know if he'll come out this year - but if the Giants ever have a realistic shot at drafting Tua Tagovailoa, I hope they do. He's a lefty Russell Wilson.
It's like elogman can't even troll well!
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
Did Russell Wilson just quit on the Seahawks?
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Always accurate and makes the most of every chance he gets. No one ever says Wilson "sees shadows" or has "David Carr syndrome". No missed reads, no overthrows, no running into sacks. Seattle back in the game
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
It's like elogman can't even troll well!
Hey he stopped watching football once Warner retired from the rams.
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My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
Last year against the chiefs in OT. 35 yard bomb on 4th down to the 3 to roger Lewis to set up game winning FG.
It's like elogman can't even troll well!
You ran away when I asked you explain why Eli runs into sacks, bitch boy. Wilson carries that SEA team with no weapons; OBJ carries ours with no QB
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Did Russell Wilson just quit on the Seahawks?
Yeah, making a mistake is quitting...
Doesnt matter who you are. A shitty OLine will kill all great QBs.
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My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
Last year against the chiefs in OT. 35 yard bomb on 4th down to the 3 to roger Lewis to set up game winning FG.
Carrying them right to 0-2 just like the Giants
If they can keep this group together, that defense is going to take them deep into the playoffs.
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My point is simple, I dont want a qb who is mobile who is inconsistent throwing the ball. At the end of the day, Ill take the guy who can make the big throws when it matters.
Killer pick 6 by Wilson.
when was the last time Eli made a big throw when it mattered?
Last year against the chiefs in OT. 35 yard bomb on 4th down to the 3 to roger Lewis to set up game winning FG.
God, I'm not trying to shit on Eli here, but that game was a preseason game for all intents and purposes in terms of importance to us.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
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As we know a QB should be able to complete passes even with no pass blocking.
But wait, I heard here hes a mobile QB that would be fine with a bad line like ours!
No one is saying any of this stuff. Hyperbole is a shitty way to argue
You should've read some threads today...
Then direct it to the people saying it in those threads. What's the point of saying it here when it's not countering anything actually being said in this discussion?
You said no one was saying it, when it's been on this site all day.
Exactly!!
Their last half of the year was ugly all around.
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Carrying them right to 0-2 just like the Giants
That's not Wilson's fault but keep laughing from your trailer park. Why does Eli run into sacks, Fatass from Charlotte?
Care to regale us about more enthralling Geno Smith tales?
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The Giants went 3-13 last year and are now 0-2 again.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
As a Mets fan who bailed when times were tough and came over to the winning side I dont think you are the best qualified person to be discussing when you should part ways with Eli. Hahahahahaha
Who are you?
Anyway - yeah, my baseball fandom is totally relevant to this discussion. Great point.
Maybe try countering with something worthy of discussion next time?
Read back in the thread. Plenty of points all centered around the fact that no QB can operate without protection.
And yes your baseball fandom is revalent. You are obviously not someone who can deal with adversity and come out the other end. Just pick a winner. Maybe become a fucking Pats fan.
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Wilson carries that SEA team with no weapons;
Carrying them right to 0-2 just like the Giants
That's not Wilson's fault but keep laughing from your trailer park. Why does Eli run into sacks, Fatass from Charlotte?
How is Wilson not at fault? He literally just threw a pick 6 down 7 and fumbled in consecutive possessions.
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Wilson carries that SEA team with no weapons;
Carrying them right to 0-2 just like the Giants
That's not Wilson's fault but keep laughing from your trailer park. Why does Eli run into sacks, Fatass from Charlotte?
Youre embarrassing yourself left and right. Just stop, Wilson was worse than Eli tonight
Their last half of the year was ugly all around.
They had a pretty good run - the window couldn't stay open forever. They got victimized by the cap and a bunch of injuries - they had to choose to pay certain guys and let others go. It's obviously not the same team. Chancellor is gone, Sherman is gone, Bobby Wagner is banged up, Irvin is gone, Bennett is gone.
But Russell Wilson has been playing at a really high level in the face of some pretty shitty OL play. A lot of the hyperbolic, sarcastic comments taking shots at posters who think his mobility is an asset are pretty silly. He's having a bad night and his line is terrible, but their line has been bad for some time now and he's still managed to be a pretty great player.
Care to regale us about more enthralling Geno Smith tales?
The funny thing is I guarantee this jackoff troll would absolutely be all over Eli's ass if he threw a pick 6 and fumbled in exactly the same way Wilson did on back to back drives with the game in reach
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The Giants went 3-13 last year and are now 0-2 again.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
As a Mets fan who bailed when times were tough and came over to the winning side I dont think you are the best qualified person to be discussing when you should part ways with Eli. Hahahahahaha
Who are you?
Anyway - yeah, my baseball fandom is totally relevant to this discussion. Great point.
Maybe try countering with something worthy of discussion next time?
Read back in the thread. Plenty of points all centered around the fact that no QB can operate without protection.
And yes your baseball fandom is revalent. You are obviously not someone who can deal with adversity and come out the other end. Just pick a winner. Maybe become a fucking Pats fan.
Again.. who are you? I don't remember ever discussing my baseball fandom with you once. Ever.
And you're right... I can't deal with adversity.
That's why I'm a Rangers fan who hasn't seen the Stanley Cup lifted since age 9. A Knicks fan who hasn't seen a championship.... ever.
And someone who dealt with the Mets through Generation K, the worst team money could buy, the Wainwright curveball, being at the final game of 2007 AND 2008 in person to watch them put a bow on two horrific collapses, a terrible 2009... 2010... 2011... 2012.... 2013... 2014... a world series run in 2015... a disappointing 2016, a lost 2017...
But you're right. I totally just bail at the first sign of trouble.
Maybe don't worry about who I root for and ask yourself why you care or why it bothers you. I can't even remember conversing with you about baseball on this board a single time.
Any time you feel like contributing something relevant, feel free.
Tonight has shown for both teams that below average OL's will result in some poor QB play. It will also end up being Chicago's achilles heel
And I'm also fucking with elogmen for being a complete moron
Care to regale us about more enthralling Geno Smith tales?
You're clinically retarded. What part of "Wilson does everything on SEA" don't you understand? What are his circumstances? Who is on the Bears' defense?
You're the worst kind of dick rider. Make sure you kill yourself when Eli leaves NYG before the separation anxiety kills you first.
Fuckin loser feels like it's his soulbound duty to ride Eli's dick into the sunset
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
Tonight has shown for both teams that below average OL's will result in some poor QB play. It will also end up being Chicago's achilles heel
And I'm also fucking with elogmen for being a complete moron
Nah I know - awful offensive lines are hard to overcome. "Draft a mobile QB" is simplifying it a bit too much, so that's really not what I am suggesting.
Personally, I am just getting to a point where I'm running out of other places to direct the blame. This is now the 3rd coach we've had here with a struggling offense and it just seems like no matter what weapons we add or who we sign or draft to fix the OL, the result is the same.
I think eventually it gets fair to question whether or not Eli is still worth paying what we are paying him if this is the result we're going to see.
If it's an impossible situation for any QB, just put someone cheaper back there and spend more money on the defense.
I just don't see where we're going with this. It doesn't look like the team is any better now than they were before despite all of the turnover and overhaul. Maybe it will get better - but if we aren't good enough to be in the playoff mix this year, I'm not sure what the endgame really is.
Eventually someone has to realize that the "try to build around Eli" approach simply isn't working.
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Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
That definitely won't solve all of the problems.
But it's fair to question whether paying Eli 22M of our cap dollars is still worth it at this point, isn't it?
The issue before was we couldn't score 30 points.
Now we're 2 games in and haven't even hit 20 despite drafting Saquon Barkley, having obj back, Sterling Shepard and Evan Engram.
The line still sucks, but Gettleman spent a lot of money on Solder and Omameh and also used a 2nd rounder to draft Will Hernandez.
Something has to give here.
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I don't think his line is bad;
I did a spit take on that pile of manure.
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Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
That definitely won't solve all of the problems.
But it's fair to question whether paying Eli 22M of our cap dollars is still worth it at this point, isn't it?
The issue before was we couldn't score 30 points.
Now we're 2 games in and haven't even hit 20 despite drafting Saquon Barkley, having obj back, Sterling Shepard and Evan Engram.
The line still sucks, but Gettleman spent a lot of money on Solder and Omameh and also used a 2nd rounder to draft Will Hernandez.
Something has to give here.
Eli has one year left on his deal. If he has a terrible year and the team sucks then you make a decision in the off-season. Bitching about it now accomplishes nothing because theres no one behind him to seriously challenge for the job.
I don't think "get a mobile QB" is the answer.
I just think people need to realize there's a middle ground and that questioning whether or not the decision to stick with Eli was the right one is fair at this point. I get it - we all love Eli. But some of you guys get so defensive at the mere suggestion that Manning is part of the problem and then it just turns into personal attacks and arguing about aspects that don't matter.
Everyone wants the same thing... for the Giants to stop being a fucking joke.
I don't think I have all of the answers. I was on board with their plan, but now that I've seen how it has started to play out, I'm certainly concerned and I think everyone should be.
Doesn't mean it can't or won't get better. I just no longer have the same faith that perhaps maybe I used to. Those 2 Super Bowl runs gave the Giants a lot of passes in my eyes. I tended to believe they knew what they were doing for a long time.
I guess I've lost a bit of that faith recently. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop rooting for the Giants - nor have I once ever suggested that I would. Just tired of watching completely non-competitive seasons. There's nothing worse as a football fan than this hopeless feeling on September 17th that you may already be sunk.
I agree with all this.
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In comment 14082617 arcarsenal said:
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Let's be fair to Wilson here - his OL sucked last year too and he was an MVP candidate.
The SEA OL didn't just get bad now. It has been bad. And he was still one of the best players in the entire sport last year.
In fact, he led the league in TD passes.
My point is theres a ton of posters here who seem to think a young QB with mobility solves all this teams problems. A mobile QB is like putting a band aid on a gun shot wound. It wont matter who the QB is until the OL is straightened out.
That definitely won't solve all of the problems.
But it's fair to question whether paying Eli 22M of our cap dollars is still worth it at this point, isn't it?
The issue before was we couldn't score 30 points.
Now we're 2 games in and haven't even hit 20 despite drafting Saquon Barkley, having obj back, Sterling Shepard and Evan Engram.
The line still sucks, but Gettleman spent a lot of money on Solder and Omameh and also used a 2nd rounder to draft Will Hernandez.
Something has to give here.
Eli has one year left on his deal. If he has a terrible year and the team sucks then you make a decision in the off-season. Bitching about it now accomplishes nothing because theres no one behind him to seriously challenge for the job.
If this season turns into a disaster, people have the right to complain. We've seen a lot of putrid football lately. I think we're all getting tired of it.
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It looks they are picking up where they left off. I was floored what the didn't do in the draft. They had 9 picks and picked 1 olineman! In the 5th round!
We think Eli has it bad. Wilson really has it bad.
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Kahlil Mack is just a fucking monster. That was a great trade for the Bears.
Eh, I think its a bit early to say its a great trade. Hes a phenomenal player and will help them, no doubt. But, they mortgaged quite a bit of their future to get him. Two years without a first round pick is a big deal.
If it gets them a Super Bowl Championship, it will definitely be worth it. They made a huge gamble that had better pay off. If it doesnt, that franchise will be in a giant hole for a while.
He's a HoF level talent. The odds of getting a player of his caliber with either of those picks will be very slim.
Look at the difference he's making already. He's basically beating the Seahawks by himself.
That pretty much proves my point. Mack is one player. Granted a very talented one but, still just one player. On the defensive side of the ball.
Trubiskys been nothing special and, while there are good players on that offense, theyre nothing special. Not to sound like Jim Fassel but, they pushed all of their chips to the center of the table for one very good player hoping that hes the piece that pushes them over the top.
Like I said before, if it brings them even one championship, it will have been worth it. If it doesnt, they mortgaged a hell of a lot of their future for one player. And while he has HOF talent, ask a Bears fan if theyd rather watch a player get inducted into the HOF or watch the team hoist up a 2nd Lombardi.
The excuses made for Wilson last night were hysterical. The OLine has nothing to do with the pick 6 or the fumble.... but people have no problem excusing them. If that were Eli, we would have 700 threads looking to tar and feather him. And this geno Smith fan who is using words like faggot and retarded should be instantly banned as he is an obvious dupe.
Does anyone doubt that Wilson is a top flight QB in this league?
Who would you take over him outside of Rodgers or Brady?
His line is awful. He also had a poor game last night. it happens. Our QB has been having poor games for the majority of the last 2+ seasons.
Wilson is a much, much better QB than Eli is at this point in time. That doesn't erase anything Eli has accomplished in the past whatsoever. But not a single GM in the NFL would take Eli Manning over Russ right now and no one would even need more than a split second to think about it.