I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
Here's the video Trubisky run - ( New Window )
Thanks for posting that.
2 seconds and pressure was coming from both edges. These are the plays where Eli just falls down and takes a sack and the drive is over.
Trubisky stepped up, found a lane and turned it into a positive play.
I can't stress this enough - OL play around the league is poor. You have to be able to overcome it to a certain degree. if the only time you can execute a play is with a perfect, clean pocket and 4-5 seconds to deliver the football, you're playing very low-odds football and are going to lose a lot of games.
I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
Especially for a big guy. His 3 cone was a good CB time and you saw it in thta run with the quick moves. He can throw on the run too. Does miss some wide open throws but I think he’ll be pretty good and Bears make the playoffs this year.
Has a bit of a problem where he will have at least a couple plays a game where he costs himself and the offense when he tries to by himself move back and around but not up into a collapsing pocket.
His MO is to buy time and wait for defenders to lose their space and allow receivers to get open but it’s not all “wow” all the time. He’s had times where he should have run for a short gain or made an aggressive throw up into the pocket and he just habitually doesn’t or doesn’t feel comfortable.
Every QB including the great ones has an Achilles heel or some even have a few.
and he's missed a number of passes. I don't think he looks that good.
He's 7/9 with a TD pass and no turnovers and the Bears have more points on the board in 5 quarters of football than we do in 8.
I'm not saying Trubisky is an all-pro or an elite player - I am just pointing out the difference it makes when your QB can extend the play.
If you have a QB that is literally incapable of extending a play, you are asking your OL to not just be good, but you're basically asking them to be perfect and in the NFL these days, that's not a realistic expectation.
I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
Here's the video Trubisky run - ( New Window )
Thanks for posting that.
2 seconds and pressure was coming from both edges. These are the plays where Eli just falls down and takes a sack and the drive is over.
Trubisky stepped up, found a lane and turned it into a positive play.
I can't stress this enough - OL play around the league is poor. You have to be able to overcome it to a certain degree. if the only time you can execute a play is with a perfect, clean pocket and 4-5 seconds to deliver the football, you're playing very low-odds football and are going to lose a lot of games.
Eli ran for a first down last night and sacrificed his body with a huge hit from the defender. So it’s not like he doesn’t try when he sees the opportunity. Often times there genuinely isn’t time. Accompanied with his lack of athleticism and him falling down is the result.
That being said, he definitely doesn’t fit this teams mold any longer. We in fact do need a younger QB that possesses the ability to scramble more regular. Not a Lamar Jackson type, but a guy whith enough wheels to get out of there if he absolutely must after a complete break down.
We saw Geno Smith get destroyed by Khalil Mack last year against Oakland. Watching Mack's dominance today, he looks like the same player we saw last year. In perspective then, Geno's performance was very very good. Wilson got strip sacked too.
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
The amount of stupid on here in the last 24 hours is shocking. There is a large contingent of fans who think a qb should be able to avoid 2 untouched pass rushers in some sort of Houdini act..
See the green space right in front of Eli? That's where he should go when blitzed. Eli instead turns the other way directly into the arms of the blitz.
That's called running into a sack. Poor pocket presence Link - ( New Window )
I don't think anyone expects a QB to elude free rushers.
When Shane Smith completely whiffs on a blitz pickup and barely gets a finger on him, there's nothing Eli can do.
But the other extreme here are those who don't think Eli's lack of mobility has no role in the amount of plays getting wrecked and the number of sacks we're giving up.
We are basically at a point where any off-schedule play has no chance. It's a tough way to score points.
The Giants Oline can’t even compete. Eli evaded Lawrence. Of course we won’t see any gifs of that, but he did evade him.
Trubisky just got a lot of time that we never saw Eli get once.
Trubisky also just rolled out successfully. We all watched Eli roll out and evade defenders as well. Difference being, Trubisky does that and no one was in front of him. Nearly threw a pick. Eli does that and he has either another defender in his face or worse, one of his own linemen falling on him.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
Here's the video
Trubisky run - ( New Window )
Quote:
I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
Here's the video Trubisky run - ( New Window )
Thanks for posting that.
2 seconds and pressure was coming from both edges. These are the plays where Eli just falls down and takes a sack and the drive is over.
Trubisky stepped up, found a lane and turned it into a positive play.
I can't stress this enough - OL play around the league is poor. You have to be able to overcome it to a certain degree. if the only time you can execute a play is with a perfect, clean pocket and 4-5 seconds to deliver the football, you're playing very low-odds football and are going to lose a lot of games.
Me too
We're looking for an OL that doesn't exist anymore I'm afraid.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
Bingo!
His MO is to buy time and wait for defenders to lose their space and allow receivers to get open but it’s not all “wow” all the time. He’s had times where he should have run for a short gain or made an aggressive throw up into the pocket and he just habitually doesn’t or doesn’t feel comfortable.
Every QB including the great ones has an Achilles heel or some even have a few.
He misses some easy throws. His mechanics are still too sloppy to my liking.
He's 7/9 with a TD pass and no turnovers and the Bears have more points on the board in 5 quarters of football than we do in 8.
I'm not saying Trubisky is an all-pro or an elite player - I am just pointing out the difference it makes when your QB can extend the play.
If you have a QB that is literally incapable of extending a play, you are asking your OL to not just be good, but you're basically asking them to be perfect and in the NFL these days, that's not a realistic expectation.
Mack is a beast. This Bears defense is nasty.
I don’t want a qb who can’t throw.
Announcers that gush over QB's running will flip that around to complain about them not staying in the pocket when they take the brutal hits.
Quote:
In comment 14082340 arcarsenal said:
Quote:
I posted it in another thread - but that 3rd and 6 run for 17 yards is exactly the type of play you need a QB to be able to make in order to sustain drives and score points. And it wasn't Russell Wilson - it was Mitch Trubisky. Not known as a major runner or scrambler. But the ability to move around a bit and the pocket presence just makes such a difference.
The pass pro totally broke down there. For the Giants, it's a guaranteed sack. For the Bears, it's a 17 yard gain and a drive that resulted in 7 points.
It's the little stuff like that.
Here's the video Trubisky run - ( New Window )
Thanks for posting that.
2 seconds and pressure was coming from both edges. These are the plays where Eli just falls down and takes a sack and the drive is over.
Trubisky stepped up, found a lane and turned it into a positive play.
I can't stress this enough - OL play around the league is poor. You have to be able to overcome it to a certain degree. if the only time you can execute a play is with a perfect, clean pocket and 4-5 seconds to deliver the football, you're playing very low-odds football and are going to lose a lot of games.
Eli ran for a first down last night and sacrificed his body with a huge hit from the defender. So it’s not like he doesn’t try when he sees the opportunity. Often times there genuinely isn’t time. Accompanied with his lack of athleticism and him falling down is the result.
That being said, he definitely doesn’t fit this teams mold any longer. We in fact do need a younger QB that possesses the ability to scramble more regular. Not a Lamar Jackson type, but a guy whith enough wheels to get out of there if he absolutely must after a complete break down.
Even with a mobile QB
We might have given up 15 sacks.
Even with a mobile QB
Wilson is facing true pressure today & yet generally makes 3-4 players miss + exhausts his options before taking a sack.
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
Quote:
seeing exactly how a shitty OL can derail a drive. Or drives.
Even with a mobile QB
Wilson is facing true pressure today & yet generally makes 3-4 players miss + exhausts his options before taking a sack.
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
Wha?!?!
We might have given up 15 sacks.
We saw Geno Smith get destroyed by Khalil Mack last year against Oakland. Watching Mack's dominance today, he looks like the same player we saw last year. In perspective then, Geno's performance was very very good. Wilson got strip sacked too.
Exactly right.
What the fuck were you watching?
The Bears are giving up plenty of pressure. Trubisky isn't sitting back in a clean pocket with 5 seconds to throw the ball.
This is the same fuckstick who think Geno Smith played well last year.
Trolling MNF game threads now?
Quote:
seeing exactly how a shitty OL can derail a drive. Or drives.
Even with a mobile QB
Wilson is facing true pressure today & yet generally makes 3-4 players miss + exhausts his options before taking a sack.
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
This is in the top 5 of game responses, right there with BestFeature saying Eli quit.
Quote:
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
The amount of stupid on here in the last 24 hours is shocking. There is a large contingent of fans who think a qb should be able to avoid 2 untouched pass rushers in some sort of Houdini act..
Even with a mobile QB
So far, I think that's fair to say. I do think Russell will make things happen before this game is over, however.
That's called running into a sack. Poor pocket presence
Link - ( New Window )
When Shane Smith completely whiffs on a blitz pickup and barely gets a finger on him, there's nothing Eli can do.
But the other extreme here are those who don't think Eli's lack of mobility has no role in the amount of plays getting wrecked and the number of sacks we're giving up.
We are basically at a point where any off-schedule play has no chance. It's a tough way to score points.
Trubisky just got a lot of time that we never saw Eli get once.
Trubisky also just rolled out successfully. We all watched Eli roll out and evade defenders as well. Difference being, Trubisky does that and no one was in front of him. Nearly threw a pick. Eli does that and he has either another defender in his face or worse, one of his own linemen falling on him.
Not really comparable
Even with a mobile QB
Yeah. Wilson has been sacked 5 times, only has 52 yards, and is getting shut out.
And he's one of the best moving passers in the game.