Kahlil Mack is just a fucking monster. That was a great trade for the Bears.
Eh, I think it’s a bit early to say it’s a great trade. He’s a phenomenal player and will help them, no doubt. But, they mortgaged quite a bit of their future to get him. Two years without a first round pick is a big deal.
If it gets them a Super Bowl Championship, it will definitely be worth it. They made a huge gamble that had better pay off. If it doesn’t, that franchise will be in a giant hole for a while.
Kahlil Mack is just a fucking monster. That was a great trade for the Bears.
Eh, I think it’s a bit early to say it’s a great trade. He’s a phenomenal player and will help them, no doubt. But, they mortgaged quite a bit of their future to get him. Two years without a first round pick is a big deal.
If it gets them a Super Bowl Championship, it will definitely be worth it. They made a huge gamble that had better pay off. If it doesn’t, that franchise will be in a giant hole for a while.
He's a HoF level talent. The odds of getting a player of his caliber with either of those picks will be very slim.
Look at the difference he's making already. He's basically beating the Seahawks by himself.
Fucking guy can’t overcome a terrible O-Line and no run game all by himself. They should play the backup. Probably should have drafted his replacement.
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
The amount of stupid on here in the last 24 hours is shocking. There is a large contingent of fans who think a qb should be able to avoid 2 untouched pass rushers in some sort of Houdini act..
Your hyperbole won't mask the fact that Eli is not performing when there isn't 2 untouched pass rushers, either. Last year, Eli had the 3rd worst QB rating in the NFL from a clean pocket.
He is still capable of good games as he had three outings last year earn him a PFF game grade of over 80.0, but nothing was above an 82.2. To counter those good games, he had two games under 50.0 and six under 60.0. He ranked 32nd in the league in big-time throw percentage and posted the 30th-best grade from a clean pocket – one of PFF’s most stable and predictive metrics on quarterbacks and passing.
I know some people don't like PFF, and they aren't flawless, but that is damning. He's just not a good player anymore. I get it, OL aren't doing their jobs well, either. But Eli is 37 years old and he's playing poorly.
Serious question for those who still refuse to acknowledge that Eli is any sort of part of the problem here...
How many more years are you willing to commit to building an OL good enough for him to win with knowing that each additional year we spend doing this, the better the OL will have to be?
We are chasing something we're never going to attain.
The points I am making aren't to prove that Trubisky is better than Eli - he's made bad throws (also hasn't even started 16 games in his career yet, but I digress...)
It's about how important it is to extend drives and be able to survive some poor OL play because you see it a lot of the best QB's in the game do it. It's necessary now.
Eli simply cannot survive it anymore. No way around it. If the pocket breaks down, the play is almost always over. He either just falls down or fails to make the first guy miss.
And again, the Seahawks get a FG before the half because Wilson turns what would have been a sack on 3rd down into a run for a first down and a positive play. That's a sack and drive ender for us
Both teams had drives that ended in points because the QB was able to make a play on 3rd down when the OL broke down.
Ours often don't end in points because we're rarely able to do the same.
RE: They’re competing and giving up pressure like every Oline does Â
The Giants Oline can’t even compete. Eli evaded Lawrence. Of course we won’t see any gifs of that, but he did evade him.
Trubisky just got a lot of time that we never saw Eli get once.
Trubisky also just rolled out successfully. We all watched Eli roll out and evade defenders as well. Difference being, Trubisky does that and no one was in front of him. Nearly threw a pick. Eli does that and he has either another defender in his face or worse, one of his own linemen falling on him.
Not really comparable
Trubisky and Eli are comparable passers. The difference is that Trubisky is more athletic than Eli, and can make time. Trubisky rolls out more because he's a better athlete.
The near pick came after Trubisky fended off a rusher and made a poor decision. But Eli never gets to that point because he never escapes the first defender, who drags him down before the 2nd defender finishes him.
No QB is perfect. Some QBs do things better than others.
Russell Wilson is a helluva QB, and he has looked abysmal this year because he has no OLine. His ability to extend plays is beneficial but without an average OLine it’s meaningless.
I could care less how elusive Trubisky is. He hasn’t proven he is an NFL passer yet. He missed a shit ton of throws against GB. He has been atrocious tonight. You can be elusive all you want, if you can’t throw - it don’t mean shit.
I don't think there are many people who don't think Eli shares some blame.
I think a lot of the banter is because there are so many vocal about eli being shot, about being the reson the team sucks and you have a small group of posters who literally post nothing but a variation of "Eli Sucks".
Refuting that doesn't mean that Eli doesn't share in the blame - it just means there are quite a few fucking morons around here.
You cannot be serious. He did so to Demarcus Lawrence only to run into a mess in front of him. And Eli is a much better long ball passer than Trubisky. Much better.
Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
Fats - where the fuck have these people come from since i've been gone? Wow.
You were solely missed. If I am gonna get ridiculed by someone for my opinion, I want it to be at least from someone who knows what the fuck he is talking about.
I'm not that concerned about Mitch Trubisky - again, it's not about him.
How many more years do you want to spend trying to put an OL good enough in front of Eli Manning? He's getting close to 40 years old now. We've gone through several different personnel combinations, coaches, players... you name it. We still suck. We still can't score. Our offense is going on year 3 of being Odell Beckham or bust.
If Eli is still good enough to win with, why have we lost 14 of the last 17 games he's started?
The OL is bad. A lot of teams are dealing with the same thing. Either you need to find ways to score and overcome it or you can hope the GM figures out a way to mix drafting the right guys with paying the right guys to build a dominant, 2008-esque OL within a tiny window of time.
Has gone on several rants saying that Geno Smith earned the ability to start and played very well against Oakland.
Even went into detail about how the turnovers weren't his fault and that only McAdoo saw the real greatness.
It has been troll central around here.
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Just wait until you see people saying "touched by the Hand of God" derisively instead of enjoying watching Barkley. Or people who obsess over the term "win now". A long fucking offseason has morphed into a really miserable regular season.
I disagree. We have 1 maybe 2 years with Eli left. Then we replace him. If you go with a guy who’s mobile with a questionable arm... it could be worse.
Everyone would love a guy who can do both but they are very few and far between. I don’t want a Trubisky, Mariota, Tannehill, Taylor. Of course you can take guys like griffin, Watson, Wentz and risk injury.
Has gone on several rants saying that Geno Smith earned the ability to start and played very well against Oakland.
Even went into detail about how the turnovers weren't his fault and that only McAdoo saw the real greatness.
It has been troll central around here.
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Just wait until you see people saying "touched by the Hand of God" derisively instead of enjoying watching Barkley. Or people who obsess over the term "win now". A long fucking offseason has morphed into a really miserable regular season.
Why mention my username like I'm wrong? You don't know what you're talking about. I stand by everything I say, and time will prove me right. We could use a mobile QB then and now.
Here's the link showing Eli running into Dallas sacks. Address it so we can prove you know nothing and you can stop misspelling my username. Link - ( New Window )
I disagree. We have 1 maybe 2 years with Eli left. Then we replace him. If you go with a guy who’s mobile with a questionable arm... it could be worse.
Everyone would love a guy who can do both but they are very few and far between. I don’t want a Trubisky, Mariota, Tannehill, Taylor. Of course you can take guys like griffin, Watson, Wentz and risk injury.
The Rodgers and Wilson’s are anonmolies IMO.
You still think we can put an OL good enough to win a Super Bowl with in front of Eli within 2 years?
If your answer is no, we should have moved on. What are we waiting another 2 years for?
I love Eli and don't want it to come to this - but the offense has been putrid for a while now. At some point the QB needs to share some of the blame. We're running out of other things to point the finger at and he's the constant.
Kendricks just came in unblocked to sack Trubisky Â
Nothing Trubisky could do to evade that. Athletic QB, Mobile QB, pocket passer, 9 times out of 10, the QB is getting sacked there. Eli was dealing with that all night long. Any QB behind this Oline will be in trouble.
about Geno Fucking Smith, not sacks against Dallas you fucking moron
They're all connected, you fuckin faggot. If I'm right about Dallas and you can't explain because your'e fuckin stupid, then what makes you think you can explain Geno Smith? Shut up clown
The Giants went 3-13 last year and are now 0-2 again.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
I WISH we would let Eli go so he can to a better team and do what Warner did with Cardinals just to show you clowns he isn’t the problem.
Warner was a couple of years younger at the time. Where is Eli going at this point? Miami or Denver? Maybe but I’m skeptical... What other team doesn’t have a young high pick waiting in the wings or one they’re not giving up on for Eli Manning at this point in his career? I can’t think of a single one.
The thing that continues to escape detection for most... Â
view is still that the OL is more of a problem than Eli. As Baldinger showed, the OL frequently doesn't even know it's blocking assignments. Rushers frequently come free as a result, sometimes more than one. The pocket often collapses through the middle and around the edges at the same time. Barkley is also frequently met in the backfield by multiple defenders.
But Eli is completely immobile. A QB has to be mobile in the NFL today because DL are so much bigger and faster than even 10 years ago. My concern is that Eli has already been so badly battered that he's effectively David Carr, and can no longer produce well enough even when there is no pressure.
I don't blame Eli. He's taken a pounding. As great as his career has been, it would have been even greater if he'd just had better OL.
Wilson's weapons are blanketed and he's looking for completions. That's not the same thing as Eli misreading the field or checking down because he sees shadows. They look alike but they're not the same.
Wilson's weapons are blanketed and he's looking for completions. That's not the same thing as Eli misreading the field or checking down because he sees shadows. They look alike but they're not the same.
The Bears are going to be a top 5 defense this year with Mack there. So, as bad as Seattle's OL is and as much as we want to talk about Wilson's inability to make anything happen - the Bears defense also deserves some credit. They're not giving him anything whatsoever.
Mack is relentless and they're just blowing off the edges on nearly every pass play.
The Giants went 3-13 last year and are now 0-2 again.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
As a Mets fan who bailed when times were tough and came over to the winning side I dont think you are the best qualified person to be discussing when you should part ways with Eli. Hahahahahaha
Eh, I think it’s a bit early to say it’s a great trade. He’s a phenomenal player and will help them, no doubt. But, they mortgaged quite a bit of their future to get him. Two years without a first round pick is a big deal.
If it gets them a Super Bowl Championship, it will definitely be worth it. They made a huge gamble that had better pay off. If it doesn’t, that franchise will be in a giant hole for a while.
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Kahlil Mack is just a fucking monster. That was a great trade for the Bears.
Eh, I think it’s a bit early to say it’s a great trade. He’s a phenomenal player and will help them, no doubt. But, they mortgaged quite a bit of their future to get him. Two years without a first round pick is a big deal.
If it gets them a Super Bowl Championship, it will definitely be worth it. They made a huge gamble that had better pay off. If it doesn’t, that franchise will be in a giant hole for a while.
He's a HoF level talent. The odds of getting a player of his caliber with either of those picks will be very slim.
Look at the difference he's making already. He's basically beating the Seahawks by himself.
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Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
The amount of stupid on here in the last 24 hours is shocking. There is a large contingent of fans who think a qb should be able to avoid 2 untouched pass rushers in some sort of Houdini act..
Your hyperbole won't mask the fact that Eli is not performing when there isn't 2 untouched pass rushers, either. Last year, Eli had the 3rd worst QB rating in the NFL from a clean pocket.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-what-to-expect-from-eli-manning-in-2018
I know some people don't like PFF, and they aren't flawless, but that is damning. He's just not a good player anymore. I get it, OL aren't doing their jobs well, either. But Eli is 37 years old and he's playing poorly.
How many more years are you willing to commit to building an OL good enough for him to win with knowing that each additional year we spend doing this, the better the OL will have to be?
We are chasing something we're never going to attain.
The points I am making aren't to prove that Trubisky is better than Eli - he's made bad throws (also hasn't even started 16 games in his career yet, but I digress...)
It's about how important it is to extend drives and be able to survive some poor OL play because you see it a lot of the best QB's in the game do it. It's necessary now.
Eli simply cannot survive it anymore. No way around it. If the pocket breaks down, the play is almost always over. He either just falls down or fails to make the first guy miss.
And again, the Seahawks get a FG before the half because Wilson turns what would have been a sack on 3rd down into a run for a first down and a positive play. That's a sack and drive ender for us
Both teams had drives that ended in points because the QB was able to make a play on 3rd down when the OL broke down.
Ours often don't end in points because we're rarely able to do the same.
Trubisky just got a lot of time that we never saw Eli get once.
Trubisky also just rolled out successfully. We all watched Eli roll out and evade defenders as well. Difference being, Trubisky does that and no one was in front of him. Nearly threw a pick. Eli does that and he has either another defender in his face or worse, one of his own linemen falling on him.
Not really comparable
Trubisky and Eli are comparable passers. The difference is that Trubisky is more athletic than Eli, and can make time. Trubisky rolls out more because he's a better athlete.
The near pick came after Trubisky fended off a rusher and made a poor decision. But Eli never gets to that point because he never escapes the first defender, who drags him down before the 2nd defender finishes him.
They were indeed. That call was a travesty and "robbed" is the correct word to describe that.
One of his starting WR's is a guy who wasn't even good enough to play for US.
Doug Baldwin is his best WR and he's not out there. Jimmy Graham is gone (GB)
Paul Richardson is gone. (WSH)
So, there's that too. You think Eli has it bad? Russell Wilson has it worse.
No QB is perfect. Some QBs do things better than others.
Russell Wilson is a helluva QB, and he has looked abysmal this year because he has no OLine. His ability to extend plays is beneficial but without an average OLine it’s meaningless.
I could care less how elusive Trubisky is. He hasn’t proven he is an NFL passer yet. He missed a shit ton of throws against GB. He has been atrocious tonight. You can be elusive all you want, if you can’t throw - it don’t mean shit.
I think a lot of the banter is because there are so many vocal about eli being shot, about being the reson the team sucks and you have a small group of posters who literally post nothing but a variation of "Eli Sucks".
Refuting that doesn't mean that Eli doesn't share in the blame - it just means there are quite a few fucking morons around here.
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Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
Fats - where the fuck have these people come from since i've been gone? Wow.
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Eli didn't face actual pressure yesterday when he ran into sacks and had 3-4 seconds in the pocket.
What the fuck were you watching?
Fats - where the fuck have these people come from since i've been gone? Wow.
You were solely missed. If I am gonna get ridiculed by someone for my opinion, I want it to be at least from someone who knows what the fuck he is talking about.
How many more years do you want to spend trying to put an OL good enough in front of Eli Manning? He's getting close to 40 years old now. We've gone through several different personnel combinations, coaches, players... you name it. We still suck. We still can't score. Our offense is going on year 3 of being Odell Beckham or bust.
If Eli is still good enough to win with, why have we lost 14 of the last 17 games he's started?
The OL is bad. A lot of teams are dealing with the same thing. Either you need to find ways to score and overcome it or you can hope the GM figures out a way to mix drafting the right guys with paying the right guys to build a dominant, 2008-esque OL within a tiny window of time.
Has gone on several rants saying that Geno Smith earned the ability to start and played very well against Oakland.
Even went into detail about how the turnovers weren't his fault and that only McAdoo saw the real greatness.
It has been troll central around here.
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Just wait until you see people saying "touched by the Hand of God" derisively instead of enjoying watching Barkley. Or people who obsess over the term "win now". A long fucking offseason has morphed into a really miserable regular season.
Everyone would love a guy who can do both but they are very few and far between. I don’t want a Trubisky, Mariota, Tannehill, Taylor. Of course you can take guys like griffin, Watson, Wentz and risk injury.
The Rodgers and Wilson’s are anonmolies IMO.
Has gone on several rants saying that Geno Smith earned the ability to start and played very well against Oakland.
Even went into detail about how the turnovers weren't his fault and that only McAdoo saw the real greatness.
It has been troll central around here.
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Just wait until you see people saying "touched by the Hand of God" derisively instead of enjoying watching Barkley. Or people who obsess over the term "win now". A long fucking offseason has morphed into a really miserable regular season.
Why mention my username like I'm wrong? You don't know what you're talking about. I stand by everything I say, and time will prove me right. We could use a mobile QB then and now.
Here's the link showing Eli running into Dallas sacks. Address it so we can prove you know nothing and you can stop misspelling my username.
Link - ( New Window )
Everyone would love a guy who can do both but they are very few and far between. I don’t want a Trubisky, Mariota, Tannehill, Taylor. Of course you can take guys like griffin, Watson, Wentz and risk injury.
The Rodgers and Wilson’s are anonmolies IMO.
You still think we can put an OL good enough to win a Super Bowl with in front of Eli within 2 years?
If your answer is no, we should have moved on. What are we waiting another 2 years for?
I love Eli and don't want it to come to this - but the offense has been putrid for a while now. At some point the QB needs to share some of the blame. We're running out of other things to point the finger at and he's the constant.
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seeing exactly how a shitty OL can derail a drive. Or drives.
Even with a mobile QB
Yeah. Wilson has been sacked 5 times, only has 52 yards, and is getting shut out.
And he's one of the best moving passers in the game.
His best weapon is Brandon Marshall and we didn’t even want him back because he couldn’t get any separation.
I WISH we would let Eli go so he can to a better team and do what Warner did with Cardinals just to show you clowns he isn’t the problem.
They're all connected, you fuckin faggot. If I'm right about Dallas and you can't explain because your'e fuckin stupid, then what makes you think you can explain Geno Smith? Shut up clown
Like 6 minute abs man!
B - see the fucking brain surgeons we've got?
But wait, I heard here he’s a mobile QB that would be fine with a bad line like ours!
Look at this ignoramus pointing out the obvious. HOF QB retires, team declines. Stunning insight
There's a lot of things a poor OL forces teams to do.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
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As we know a QB should be able to complete passes even with no pass blocking.
But wait, I heard here he’s a mobile QB that would be fine with a bad line like ours!
No one is saying any of this stuff. Hyperbole is a shitty way to argue
I WISH we would let Eli go so he can to a better team and do what Warner did with Cardinals just to show you clowns he isn’t the problem.
Warner was a couple of years younger at the time. Where is Eli going at this point? Miami or Denver? Maybe but I’m skeptical... What other team doesn’t have a young high pick waiting in the wings or one they’re not giving up on for Eli Manning at this point in his career? I can’t think of a single one.
Not, they're not great. They suck. Save for a handful, there just isn't enough solid OL talent out there to build a strong OL.
But Eli is completely immobile. A QB has to be mobile in the NFL today because DL are so much bigger and faster than even 10 years ago. My concern is that Eli has already been so badly battered that he's effectively David Carr, and can no longer produce well enough even when there is no pressure.
I don't blame Eli. He's taken a pounding. As great as his career has been, it would have been even greater if he'd just had better OL.
Wilson truly has nowhere to go
Wilson truly has nowhere to go
It’s the same.
Mack is relentless and they're just blowing off the edges on nearly every pass play.
I'm just not sure how much longer some of you guys want to keep trying this with Eli. Even if it's not all his fault, you have to be realistic about the best way to fix the team and the longer we keep trying to put the right offensive line in front of him, the more difficult and more expensive it is going to get.
The Giants clearly thought they could compete this year - so far, it looks like they miscalculated pretty badly.
If this becomes another lost season, then what? Try it again next year?
As a Mets fan who bailed when times were tough and came over to the winning side I dont think you are the best qualified person to be discussing when you should part ways with Eli. Hahahahahaha