FF Thread September 18

but what RB 1 do you think you will get in return? Remember, someone burned a first round pick on that RB1. So, I do not know who would make that trade for OBJ who plays in what looks like one of the worst offenses in the year.

This does not mean you will not get any takers so give it a shot. Maybe guy like Kareem Hunt or Drake if the guy you are trading with has a lot of RBs

if he stays healthy will still have a good year, maybe not top end WR1, but still top 10 IMO. Plus he's keepable for a 2nd round pick next year since I kept him in the 4th this year.

I was thinking maybe packaging Beckham and another player for Fournette and Cooper Kupp.

I also lost Delanie Walker on this team and my kicker (Zuerlein).

In comment 14082749 pjcas18 said:

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if he stays healthy will still have a good year, maybe not top end WR1, but still top 10 IMO. Plus he's keepable for a 2nd round pick next year since I kept him in the 4th this year. I was thinking maybe packaging Beckham and another player for Fournette and Cooper Kupp. I also lost Delanie Walker on this team and my kicker (Zuerlein).

I think you need to find someone who is in love with OBJ. First two weeks of the season and in BOTH weeks he did not deliver top RB1 fantasy numbers. With our QB and our OL it is going to limit him. Just think how many times he was probably open but Eli did not even get a chance to release the ball. That drops his targets significantly. AND.. if he does get the ball it will be short/quick passes which limits his total yards. Just my point of view on it anyway. So, I think you are on the right track trying to sell him to someone who does not feel the way I do.

Mixon will be back in 2-4 weeks so Bernard will be back.

In comment 14082753 EricJ said:

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In comment 14082749 pjcas18 said: Quote: if he stays healthy will still have a good year, maybe not top end WR1, but still top 10 IMO. Plus he's keepable for a 2nd round pick next year since I kept him in the 4th this year. I was thinking maybe packaging Beckham and another player for Fournette and Cooper Kupp. I also lost Delanie Walker on this team and my kicker (Zuerlein). I think you need to find someone who is in love with OBJ. First two weeks of the season and in BOTH weeks he did not deliver top RB1 fantasy numbers. With our QB and our OL it is going to limit him. Just think how many times he was probably open but Eli did not even get a chance to release the ball. That drops his targets significantly. AND.. if he does get the ball it will be short/quick passes which limits his total yards. Just my point of view on it anyway. So, I think you are on the right track trying to sell him to someone who does not feel the way I do.

11 for 111 (in a PPR league) against JAX is WR1 numbers IMO, but low end WR1 in fantasy football. That was 11th in my league with 22 points. but more sustainable than some players ahead of him like Kenny Stills and probably Randall Cobb.

We'll see, if I have to keep Beckham it's not the end of the world, but he is an asset I'd flip if I could improve two areas.

How big would you go in on Gio? I haven't touched by budget, but feel like it's kind of make or break time.

I could be starting Adrian Peterson and Bilal Powell at RB this week. Or of course Alfred Morris.

In comment 14082757 pjcas18 said:

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How big would you go in on Gio? I haven't touched by budget, but feel like it's kind of make or break time. I could be starting Adrian Peterson and Bilal Powell at RB this week. Or of course Alfred Morris.

Who is available on waivers?

CJ Anderson
Riddick
Hines
Richard
Blue
Gore
Ito Smith
Murphy

was two bad Eli throws from a 13-175-2 line. He had one bad game in which the OL was obliterated and now he's not a WR1, lol. Not sure who has OBJ in our league, but hopefully you feel the same way as these guys. Hit me up!

In comment 14082800 Keith said:

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was two bad Eli throws from a 13-175-2 line. He had one bad game in which the OL was obliterated and now he's not a WR1, lol. Not sure who has OBJ in our league, but hopefully you feel the same way as these guys. Hit me up!

I said he's a WR1. I'm looking to trade him for a RB1.

As the original poster, how big are you guys going for Gio?

in another league trying to figure out what to do with Collins. Collins has not produced so far and Allen is available on waivers if I can get him. Still not a good situation so I may just be patient with Collins.

In comment 14082833 BleedingBlue2 said:

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As the original poster, how big are you guys going for Gio?

We have $200 budgets in my league and I'm going with $40.

Phil Lindsay went for $61 last week, so I probably won't get him at $40, but that's fine. I don't know if I'll recover from losing 4 players in 2 weeks anyway.

In comment 14082875 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14082833 BleedingBlue2 said: Quote: As the original poster, how big are you guys going for Gio? We have $200 budgets in my league and I'm going with $40. Phil Lindsay went for $61 last week, so I probably won't get him at $40, but that's fine. I don't know if I'll recover from losing 4 players in 2 weeks anyway.

Good lord, do you ever stop making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself? Everyone has injuries, deal with it.

I'd say about 20-25% of your FAAB should be about right. You're only getting 2-3 weeks tops out of Gio, and it might only be 1.

I have a choice of Fitzpatrick and Cousins. I like Cousins situation but Fitz is the hot QB. Which QB do you guys like better. I don't think the guy with number one will take a QB.

then you have no choice but to overspend on Gio. No idea what the bid would be but it’s likely a 3-4 week rental of RB1 production that could save your season.

In comment 14082888 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 14082875 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14082833 BleedingBlue2 said: Quote: As the original poster, how big are you guys going for Gio? We have $200 budgets in my league and I'm going with $40. Phil Lindsay went for $61 last week, so I probably won't get him at $40, but that's fine. I don't know if I'll recover from losing 4 players in 2 weeks anyway. Good lord, do you ever stop making excuses and feeling sorry for yourself? Everyone has injuries, deal with it. I'd say about 20-25% of your FAAB should be about right. You're only getting 2-3 weeks tops out of Gio, and it might only be 1.

Lighten up Francis, I'm not feeling sorry for myself, it's a keeper league, and the earlier you make the decision to build for next year vs trying to salvage this year the stronger your team winds up. Last year I traded away a bunch of picks for the stretch run. I had no 3rd, 6th, 8th or 9th round picks this year and I picked near the end of the 1st round and used keepers for my 4th and 5th round picks.

I didn't have a deep team, and I knew that going in. I'm not sure I can withstand losing my two starting RB's, my starting TE and my K and keep the team competitive.

not looking for sympathy, just not quite ready to give up either. Just asking for advice.

who is at best a fwe week filler(and not a great one either) is nuts. I wouldn't be anywhere near that number for Gio. What a waste.

but if you are 0-2 and own Mixon you are down one of your best players. An 0-2 team can easily drop a few more games before Mixon gets back.

I really don’t like FAAB leagues but having done the BBI league last year I dont really remember any player hat commanded such a huge budget. I could be wrong on that, though.

In comment 14082937 Keith said:

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who is at best a fwe week filler(and not a great one either) is nuts. I wouldn't be anywhere near that number for Gio. What a waste.

Like it or not, that's what it's going to take to get him in most leagues if he's even available. Someone's going to be desperate enough to pay that in every league.

spend high on Gio if you want him!

In comment 14082937 Keith said:

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who is at best a fwe week filler(and not a great one either) is nuts. I wouldn't be anywhere near that number for Gio. What a waste.

Agree, with Phil Lindsay I thought the $61 (out of $200) the person bid was crazy high, but he at least has possible keeper potential. Because I have Mixon, Gio is really a rental and shorter term the better.

but if I miss out my RB's this week are AP and Powell. Or Penny I guess, he got more carries than Carson, but that running game was a shit show.

I think I'll go with $40 (20%), which still may be high, but I expect to be overbid.

most of the sleepers/backups are rostered already, and the first couple of weeks is the time to strike on the guys who have a bigger role than anticipated (aka Phillip Lindsay). After the dust settles from these first couple of weeks, it's highly unlikely that a magical difference maker is going to appear out of nowhere - and if you can identify who that might be you should be picking him up now while he's cheap instead of waiting.

In comment 14082968 YAJ2112 said:

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most of the sleepers/backups are rostered already, and the first couple of weeks is the time to strike on the guys who have a bigger role than anticipated (aka Phillip Lindsay). After the dust settles from these first couple of weeks, it's highly unlikely that a magical difference maker is going to appear out of nowhere - and if you can identify who that might be you should be picking him up now while he's cheap instead of waiting.

Not sure. A few years ago I go Tyreek Hill around week 4 or 5.

He wound up a great 8th round keeper.

DeShaun Watson last year I picked up with my FAAB after the Patriots game (so around now). I would have possibly kept him if he didn't tear his ACL.

I think I may be better off trading than going heavy on Gio, but I see your point.

an interesting trade to me (PPR):

I send:

Michael Thomas
Michael Gallup
Jonnu Smith

I get:
James Conner
Lamar Miller
Robert Woods

I don't want to accept it as is, Michael Thomas is such a stud and I have Brees - and I like the QB/WR stack, but I wonder how he'd adjust it if I substituted Odell for Thomas.

Connor is too big of an unknown workwise. He could have another 10 weeks, or it could be 2. And you are losing by far the best player in the deal.

In comment 14082984 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14082968 YAJ2112 said: Quote: most of the sleepers/backups are rostered already, and the first couple of weeks is the time to strike on the guys who have a bigger role than anticipated (aka Phillip Lindsay). After the dust settles from these first couple of weeks, it's highly unlikely that a magical difference maker is going to appear out of nowhere - and if you can identify who that might be you should be picking him up now while he's cheap instead of waiting. Not sure. A few years ago I go Tyreek Hill around week 4 or 5. He wound up a great 8th round keeper. DeShaun Watson last year I picked up with my FAAB after the Patriots game (so around now). I would have possibly kept him if he didn't tear his ACL. I think I may be better off trading than going heavy on Gio, but I see your point.

I wasn't necessarily addressing your situation, it was more Keith's point which seemed to be to save money for later.

If you feel like 2 weeks of Gio will make a big difference in your team's fortunes this year, then you should bid more than 40 on him. Otherwise you're fine at 40 and if you get outbid so be it.

In comment 14082997 UConn4523 said:

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Connor is too big of an unknown workwise. He could have another 10 weeks, or it could be 2. And you are losing by far the best player in the deal.

Right, I'm not going to accept it, but I may if I swapped out Thomas for Beckham.

If it were Beckham and not Thomas would you do it?

is gonna be the same all year.

Ekeler or R. Freeman as my RB2?

Lindsey looked awesome weeks 1 and 2 but I’m guessing they will still be RBBC to an extent. But if he keeps it up they will have no choice but to feature him. I guess I’d start Freeman but that would be a week to week decision.

In comment 14083012 UConn4523 said:

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Lindsey looked awesome weeks 1 and 2 but I’m guessing they will still be RBBC to an extent. But if he keeps it up they will have no choice but to feature him. I guess I’d start Freeman but that would be a week to week decision.

Yeah I really loaded up on WRs:
Hopkins
Cooper
Evans
Cooks

i really thought Freeman would be the bellcow but Lindsay is outperforming him. My thinking is Freeman gets the goal line touches, so if I can vulture a TD, that may have the most value.

Kerryon Johnson is by far the best Detroit RB - but they still give 90 year old Blount carries for no reason.

Drop smith and pick up Jesse James or Austin Hooper? Kinda leaning Hooper.

you are 0-2, wake the fuck up and play your best players. Blount should never see action.

I'm currently in 2nd in my 14 team PPR league. I also have the 2nd waiver priority. Have a close matchup this week and nothing is really jumping off the page at me, but I am feeling I should probably make a move if I can for a better matchup at QB.

I have Rivers against LAR, who have only allowed 13 points to teams this year so far. Should I burn my 2nd waiver priority on Fitzmagic? Coaches seem to be indicating they will stick with him, and I wouldn't be opposed to flipping b/w he and Rivers depending on mashups throughout the season. I know someone else will take him as some people are starved at the position. I'm just not sure I want to burn my waiver priority, but who knows what future weeks will look like with available adds. Thoughts?

Rest of my roster:
RB: Barkley, Miller, Ingram, Mack
WR: Hilton, JuJu, Golladay, Allison, Godwin, Garcon
TE: Engram
K: McMannus
DEF: LAC

In comment 14083034 UConn4523 said:

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you are 0-2, wake the fuck up and play your best players. Blount should never see action.

Sort of surprised too. I have been looking to buy low on Johnson.

but I don’t get why they don’t just feature him. I’ve got a stable though so I’m not that mad. I’ll be starting David Johnson, Breida, Lindsey ahead of him and also have Michel and Ingram back soon.

of Breida or Morris when McKinnon injury was annonced and stupidly picked Morris. Breida was injured too at the time and Morris was supposed to thrive in the Shanahan offense.

he really sucks.

re-proposed with it with Beckham.

So it's just:

I send:
Beckham

I get:
James Conner
Lamar Miller
Robert Woods

I would add some garbage from my roster because I'd have to drop players otherwise but would you do this?

it's basically Beckham for Miller and Conner as long as Conner is still the guy.

seems light for Beckham.

In comment 14082968 YAJ2112 said:

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most of the sleepers/backups are rostered already, and the first couple of weeks is the time to strike on the guys who have a bigger role than anticipated (aka Phillip Lindsay). After the dust settles from these first couple of weeks, it's highly unlikely that a magical difference maker is going to appear out of nowhere - and if you can identify who that might be you should be picking him up now while he's cheap instead of waiting.

Agreed. Everyone should spend the majority of their budget in the first few weeks when the real difference makers become available.

Buy high, sell low! Good strategy.

derp.

a guy you pick up after week 1 that you use for 15 weeks or a guy you pick up in week 10 when you might not even make the playoffs?

In comment 14083299 YAJ2112 said:

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a guy you pick up after week 1 that you use for 15 weeks or a guy you pick up in week 10 when you might not even make the playoffs?

Most leagues I agree, keeper leagues not so much.

In comment 14083279 Keith said:

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Buy high, sell low! Good strategy.

I didn't buy high on anyone, Beckham was a 4th round keeper, Miller was drafted in the 3rd.

Sure, Beckham would have likely gone in the 2nd round of this draft if he wasn't kept, but he was a keeper and next year while he has some keeper value, I have other players with more.

In comment 14083321 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14083299 YAJ2112 said: Quote: a guy you pick up after week 1 that you use for 15 weeks or a guy you pick up in week 10 when you might not even make the playoffs? Most leagues I agree, keeper leagues not so much.

Why is a keeper league different? A dynasty league maybe, but a league where you're keeping 1 or 2 players? Unless you're team just sucks, you likely have your keepers already on your roster and aren't likely to find the next Alvin Kamara on waivers.

and you have Gurley and CMC and Diggs and Mahomes, then yeah there's no point in dropping 20% of your budget on Bernard.

If you're 0-2 and you have to win now and you just lost Mixon, then you should be easily dropping 20+% on him.

In comment 14083337 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 14083321 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14083299 YAJ2112 said: Quote: a guy you pick up after week 1 that you use for 15 weeks or a guy you pick up in week 10 when you might not even make the playoffs? Most leagues I agree, keeper leagues not so much. Why is a keeper league different? A dynasty league maybe, but a league where you're keeping 1 or 2 players? Unless you're team just sucks, you likely have your keepers already on your roster and aren't likely to find the next Alvin Kamara on waivers.

Kamara was waived in the BBI league last year (not a keeper league but he was waived).

I already gave you Tyreek Hill and DeShaun Watson.

In 2014 I got Beckham off waivers week 4 and he became an 8th round keeper for me in 2015 and 4th round keeper in 2016.

I got David Johnson off waivers a few years ago.

Jordan Howard off waivers a couple years ago.

Every year, around week 4 or 5 a rookie RB or WR (sometimes a 2nd/3rd year guy, but usually a rookie) establishes themselves as a legit roster-able player and in many cases a keeper candidate.

In my league anyone you get off waivers is an 8th round keeper, and if you look every year 8th round is where almost half the keepers come from. Not all those guys are rookies, some are injured players who get waived, but in either case history shows there will be a handful of rookies not on rosters week 2 who go off this year.

In comment 14083345 YAJ2112 said:

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and you have Gurley and CMC and Diggs and Mahomes, then yeah there's no point in dropping 20% of your budget on Bernard. If you're 0-2 and you have to win now and you just lost Mixon, then you should be easily dropping 20+% on him.

1'm 1 - 1, and week 1 I set the record for points in a week ever in this league.

In comment 14083356 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 14083337 YAJ2112 said: Quote: In comment 14083321 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 14083299 YAJ2112 said: Quote: a guy you pick up after week 1 that you use for 15 weeks or a guy you pick up in week 10 when you might not even make the playoffs? Most leagues I agree, keeper leagues not so much. Why is a keeper league different? A dynasty league maybe, but a league where you're keeping 1 or 2 players? Unless you're team just sucks, you likely have your keepers already on your roster and aren't likely to find the next Alvin Kamara on waivers. Kamara was waived in the BBI league last year (not a keeper league but he was waived). I already gave you Tyreek Hill and DeShaun Watson. In 2014 I got Beckham off waivers week 4 and he became an 8th round keeper for me in 2015 and 4th round keeper in 2016. I got David Johnson off waivers a few years ago. Jordan Howard off waivers a couple years ago. Every year, around week 4 or 5 a rookie RB or WR (sometimes a 2nd/3rd year guy, but usually a rookie) establishes themselves as a legit roster-able player and in many cases a keeper candidate. In my league anyone you get off waivers is an 8th round keeper, and if you look every year 8th round is where almost half the keepers come from. Not all those guys are rookies, some are injured players who get waived, but in either case history shows there will be a handful of rookies not on rosters week 2 who go off this year.

So then identify who those guys are and grab them BEFORE they go off and cost you an arm and a leg.

in my one keeper league as well. Grabbed them before they did anything after they were waived. If people are dumb enough to drop guys like that, than so be it. Doesn't mean it's going to cost you big FAAB $ unless you wait until they go off.

if I had a crystal ball it would be easier.

I drafted Courtland Sutton, Michael Gallup, I even had Keke Coutee on my roster.

I think Kenny Golladay could be it this year and I traded for him.

Ronald Jones is available.

Calvin Ridley and DJ Moore are on roster, but could be dropped.

Anthony Miller has been dropped, Nick Chubb has been dropped.

Nyheim Hines is available, Christian Kirk is available, Dante Pettis is available.