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| 1. Drew Lock, Missouri: Stock Up Most impressive performance I've watched from Lock. Seriously. Sure, it was against a Purdue team that lost at home to Eastern Michigan the week before, but the cannon-armed quarterback demonstrated a variety of NFL franchise quarterback skills and didn't really make any major mistakes all evening. Oh, and he led a game-winning drive. Lock was on-target all evening, connecting with Emanuel Hall on an assortment of deep strikes down the field ... and one early in the game that would've been a walk-in touchdown that Hall uncharacteristically dropped. His pocket presence looked a little shaky, but he did stand in well beyond his first read frequently to find open receivers while scanning the whole field. More specifically, there were two instances when he left the pocket early but more instances in which he stood in, probably the most important example of the latter came on a 2nd and 10 on the final drive when he waited, drifted, and found a safety valve running back for a big gain. On one of his touchdowns, Lock looked right then quickly snapped his head toward the left sideline and threw a laser beam for the score. As usual, the velocity on his throws toward the sideline was tremendous. |
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Let’s draft a QB and turn him into the next David Carr
Let's not draft a QB and have Eli play till he's 50.
Or how about we just wait until we have a halfway decent offensive line before drafting a quarterback, which might take another year or two... so we don’t ruin the next quarterback like we ruined this one.
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In comment 14082782 Brown Recluse said:
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Let’s draft a QB and turn him into the next David Carr
Let's not draft a QB and have Eli play till he's 50.
Or how about we just wait until we have a halfway decent offensive line before drafting a quarterback, which might take another year or two... so we don’t ruin the next quarterback like we ruined this one.
That's not how you do things. If the QB is a franchise QB, and you're in a position to take him, you take him. Doesn't mean he has to start right away. You don't know if you'll be in the position to take one in the future.
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In comment 14082782 Brown Recluse said:
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Let’s draft a QB and turn him into the next David Carr
Let's not draft a QB and have Eli play till he's 50.
Or how about we just wait until we have a halfway decent offensive line before drafting a quarterback, which might take another year or two... so we don’t ruin the next quarterback like we ruined this one.
That's not how you do things. If the QB is a franchise QB, and you're in a position to take him, you take him. Doesn't mean he has to start right away. You don't know if you'll be in the position to take one in the future.
when a team wants a quarterback, they will do what they have to do to get him whether or not he falls in their lap. Drafting a quarterback right now is stupid. If they end up with a high draft pick next April and the offensive line is still a mess, then they need to trade back for more picks and fix the line 1st. In the future if they want to quarterback, they can make it happen then. Otherwise you just end up with a shellshocked young quarterback and you are in QB hell anyway.
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In comment 14082782 Brown Recluse said:
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Let’s draft a QB and turn him into the next David Carr
Let's not draft a QB and have Eli play till he's 50.
Or how about we just wait until we have a halfway decent offensive line before drafting a quarterback, which might take another year or two... so we don’t ruin the next quarterback like we ruined this one.
That's not how you do things. If the QB is a franchise QB, and you're in a position to take him, you take him. Doesn't mean he has to start right away. You don't know if you'll be in the position to take one in the future.
when a team wants a quarterback, they will do what they have to do to get him whether or not he falls in their lap. Drafting a quarterback right now is stupid. If they end up with a high draft pick next April and the offensive line is still a mess, then they need to trade back for more picks and fix the line 1st. In the future if they want to quarterback, they can make it happen then. Otherwise you just end up with a shellshocked young quarterback and you are in QB hell anyway.
This is a dumb post. They can acquire OL in later rounds, through trades, and FA. I tell you what, I’d rather be 0-2 today with this shit OL heading for 0-7 with Darnold standing on the sidelines than follow your POV.
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Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen were last year. I’d look for a stop gap and try to tank hard in 2019 for someone like Fromm in 2020. I’d also look to move down from what should be a top 5 pick to accumulate picks in the event the NYG need them in 2020 to move up for the QB.
Agree. I don't think any of the QB prospects are on the level of those 3. But waiting for Fromm is a risk because you never know what your record will be. Which is why when your drafting second and there's a possible franchise QB on the board, and you have an aging QB, you take him.
You mean, exactly like the Giants should have done in April? Realty is this
(1) Drew Lock and the rest of the 2019 QBs would not have been first round selections in 2018. In fact, Lock returned for an additional year in school because his draft propspectus came back, he was predicted as a mid round pick. I doubt he was all the much better last year.
(2) The Giants are likely headed for a terrible record, while all the while having sacrificed their future.
(3) 2019 isn’t the draft to get your qb, the play is to trade back and accumulate for 2020.
(4) you don’t build your team by building the rest of the roster first then when you are ready drafting your qb. You do it when you have a need for a qb and your draft prospect fits what you are looking for. Thus, waiting for the rest of the oline to be fixed is silly.
(5) it’s now funny to see bbi panicking over a qb and a hoping 2019 is the answer, because I m sure many of you were either on the 2018 class isn’t good enough to warrant replacing Eli or Davis Webb is s better prospect than any of the 2018s. The follow up argument is you don’t take a qb just because you are in position to get one. Now that’s exactly what many of you are hoping to do in 2019, just take one because he’s there.
Giants made their bed...and well you know the rest.
Sounds exactly like the Davis Webb argument from last season? How’d that work out for Giants?
Although in this instance I agree, but solely based on the reason that tjere isn’t a true first round qb talent in the 2019 class. Nonetheless, like Webb, Lauletta isn’t a viable long term qb solution.
Assuming they won't have a top pick anyway, that is, and given how they're playing now and the lack of talent at multiple positions makes it easy for me to think that they will.
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Mayfield, Darnold, or Rosen were last year. I’d look for a stop gap and try to tank hard in 2019 for someone like Fromm in 2020. I’d also look to move down from what should be a top 5 pick to accumulate picks in the event the NYG need them in 2020 to move up for the QB.
Agree. I don't think any of the QB prospects are on the level of those 3. But waiting for Fromm is a risk because you never know what your record will be. Which is why when your drafting second and there's a possible franchise QB on the board, and you have an aging QB, you take him.
You mean, exactly like the Giants should have done in April? Realty is this
(1) Drew Lock and the rest of the 2019 QBs would not have been first round selections in 2018. In fact, Lock returned for an additional year in school because his draft propspectus came back, he was predicted as a mid round pick. I doubt he was all the much better last year.
(2) The Giants are likely headed for a terrible record, while all the while having sacrificed their future.
(3) 2019 isn’t the draft to get your qb, the play is to trade back and accumulate for 2020.
(4) you don’t build your team by building the rest of the roster first then when you are ready drafting your qb. You do it when you have a need for a qb and your draft prospect fits what you are looking for. Thus, waiting for the rest of the oline to be fixed is silly.
(5) it’s now funny to see bbi panicking over a qb and a hoping 2019 is the answer, because I m sure many of you were either on the 2018 class isn’t good enough to warrant replacing Eli or Davis Webb is s better prospect than any of the 2018s. The follow up argument is you don’t take a qb just because you are in position to get one. Now that’s exactly what many of you are hoping to do in 2019, just take one because he’s there.
Giants made their bed...and well you know the rest.
This is correct. Ownership and the front office didn't have the will or the gumption to stand up to the fan base and draft Eli's replacement in 2018, when they had a perfect opportunity to do just that. Now, they are going to just go ahead and draft any quarterback available at the top of the 2019 draft because now no one disputes that its time to start moving on. That is great because everyone knows that reaching for college quarterbacks out of desperation and need never turns out badly.
This the exact formula whereby you get the results that the Bills and Dolphins have had the last 10-20 years. Great job all around by everybody.
Jeff, incredibly it feels like we are headed toward basically rehashing the same arguments that BBI had from September 2017 until April 2018 all over again.
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That's not how you do things. If the QB is a franchise QB, and you're in a position to take him, you take him. Doesn't mean he has to start right away. You don't know if you'll be in the position to take one in the future.
Jeff, incredibly it feels like we are headed toward basically rehashing the same arguments that BBI had from September 2017 until April 2018 all over again.
If there is any mention of "Eli" or "QB," Jeff is always the first one to cry about it. It's quite comical. Almost like he has a Napoleon complex. Me and a few other posters always get a good chuckle when we see Jeff waving his arms in the air begging to get rid of Eli.
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In comment 14082782 Brown Recluse said:
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Let’s draft a QB and turn him into the next David Carr
Let's not draft a QB and have Eli play till he's 50.
Or how about we just wait until we have a halfway decent offensive line before drafting a quarterback, which might take another year or two... so we don’t ruin the next quarterback like we ruined this one.
That's not how you do things. If the QB is a franchise QB, and you're in a position to take him, you take him. Doesn't mean he has to start right away. You don't know if you'll be in the position to take one in the future.
when a team wants a quarterback, they will do what they have to do to get him whether or not he falls in their lap. Drafting a quarterback right now is stupid. If they end up with a high draft pick next April and the offensive line is still a mess, then they need to trade back for more picks and fix the line 1st. In the future if they want to quarterback, they can make it happen then. Otherwise you just end up with a shellshocked young quarterback and you are in QB hell anyway.
For the umpteenth time, you don't have to play the drafted QB right away. You're drafting someone for the long term.
Another point in Tua's favor: last year, as a true freshman, he came off the bench and led Alabama to a comeback win against that tremendous Georgia defense, throwing three TDs.
Agree, he is just a tough person to evaluate. But he has two more years anyways.
My beloved BC Eagles almost beat that Miami team in 2001, which would have been one of the great upsets in history. They were driving for the game-winning score with a minute left, but a tipped pass was picked off near the goal line and lateraled to Ed Reed, who ran 100 yards or so like a thoroughbred racehorse toward the other end zone. I was a heartbroken freshman. The only reason we were in the game was Dorsey's four or five picks, and a Shockey drop in the end zone.
That's like saying Webb was just as good as the 2018 QB prospects.
You sure Kiawnuka was on that team? 2001 seems too early to have been him, wasn't he drafted in 2006?
Herbert is a fine collection of tools and production as his 91.4 grade ranked second in the nation last year and he’s grading at 90.1 this season to rank third. Herbert has excellent velocity, accuracy and athleticism, and if he continues to progress, he should be the top quarterback off the board whenever he comes out for the draft.
Grier broke out with a 91.1 grade last season and he’s been the best quarterback in the nation in his two games of action. He’s an excellent seam thrower and he led the nation in big-time throws on 20-plus yard passes last year.
Emerging quickly as the best Ohio State quarterback in years, Haskins has a good feel in the pocket and he can throw with zip and touch to all levels. He’s only been pressured on 15 of his 97 dropbacks this season, so we’ll be keeping an eye on his how he works under heat as the Big Ten schedule unfolds.
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Several of them are better. But, again, haven't seen enough of any of them yet to clearly rank them.
He's Mayfield with better size, athleticism, and arm.
He's Mayfield with better size, athleticism, and arm.
Aren't there questions about his accuracy.
I could be wrong but I thought you just had to be out of HS for 3 years. I've seen him on other 2019 prospect lists so unless all of these writers are wrong it seems he's eligible.
Interesting fact that might only interest me- Haskins is originally from Highland Park, NJ- and moved to Maryland when he was in 9th grade.
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isn't he draft ineligible since only a true sophomore?
I could be wrong but I thought you just had to be out of HS for 3 years. I've seen him on other 2019 prospect lists so unless all of these writers are wrong it seems he's eligible.
He red-shirted his freshman year and was the backup QB last year, so he is draft eligible.
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isn't he draft ineligible since only a true sophomore?
I could be wrong but I thought you just had to be out of HS for 3 years. I've seen him on other 2019 prospect lists so unless all of these writers are wrong it seems he's eligible.
He red-shirted his freshman year and was the backup QB last year, so he is draft eligible.
Great news. Maybe Gettleman will end up being the evil genius. Ya know, take an elite player but not a QB despite an obvious and desperate need, then pick top 5 again and land one of the QBs discussed in this thread.
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Grier has the goods. When the dust settles and the smoke clears, I believe he will the top QB and a top 5-10 pick. He's just killing it.
He's Mayfield with better size, athleticism, and arm.
Aren't there questions about his accuracy.
Yes, he's only completing 76% of his passes this year... ;)
Dwayne Haskins Ohio St will absolutely be the real deal in 2020
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Grier has the goods. When the dust settles and the smoke clears, I believe he will the top QB and a top 5-10 pick. He's just killing it.
He's Mayfield with better size, athleticism, and arm.
Aren't there questions about his accuracy.
Yes, he's only completing 76% of his passes this year... ;)
Bubble screens don't count.
But there are some great attributes - thick and sturdy, athletic, accurate, great kid, etc. He's going to be a very interesting prospect when he makes himself eligible.
GIMMICK SYSTEM PEOPLE. JT Barrett and Tim Tebow put up great stats well.
GIMMICK SYSTEM PEOPLE. JT Barrett and Tim Tebow put up great stats well.
Not sure what you are saying, but Haskins is a stud. I saw him play in HS and thought OSU got a great prospect. In fact, I think he's the best QB Meyer has ever had...skill wise.
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oh jesus christ.
GIMMICK SYSTEM PEOPLE. JT Barrett and Tim Tebow put up great stats well.
Not sure what you are saying, but Haskins is a stud. I saw him play in HS and thought OSU got a great prospect. In fact, I think he's the best QB Meyer has ever had...skill wise.
ok
Dwayne Haskins Ohio St will absolutely be the real deal in 2020
Nice job on this post.
Think I personally would put Herbert at #1 right now. Stanford v Oregon this Saturday night should be an entertaining game
His physical traits and experience IMO make him just as likely to be successful as Josh Allen and Josh Rosen, if not more.
Can t do it again, at least not in Sept