it doesnt matter if you have a mobile passer or not. If you dont have an offensive line to protect, you are gonna get beat.
russell by comparison is a better qb than Eli but he couldnt do much as well.
man do i miss the days of Snee, McKenzie, Ohara..
Didn't see his two picks so not sure if those were bad throws or good plays by the defense.
And he got the W....
lol. I cant wait til you sing Eli's praises when they leads them to 17 point and throws 2 INTs and should have had 2 more picked off.
I'd actually ask if you watched the game or are just going by the numbers?
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Who the hell made any excuses for them?
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Wilson lost the game - by a TD, after he threw a pick six. They didn't get completely blown out in a non-competitve effort was the point.
The giants lost the Dallas game by a TD. And the Seahawks weren't much more competitive. They got a late TD, just like the Giants and tried an onside kick at the end with 10 seconds left.
same margin of defeat. Same look of not being in the game.
It is like you didn't watch it and are trying to tell us Wilson and Trubisky looked good. And you posted stats that frankly don't look better than Eli's did.
LOL, at some point I'm wonder if the Giants write you a check. I've been wondering where Pat Hanlon went.
I did watch last night's game - do you really want to claim that the Seahawks were out of contention in it as badly as the Giants were, and as early? Despite Wilson getting the shit kicked out of him in the first half (5 sacks there alone), he kept it to a TD. They were actually capable of moving the ball.
And IMO, that Bears defense will end up being a lot better than the Cowboys this year.
The point is and remains - this thread claims that without proper OL protection, QBs can't play well. Trubisky played a good game last night. There were plenty of times his protection broke down and he was rushed, and he either made a play with his legs or managed to get a throw completed. Wilson obviously struggled more, but he was playing a better defense with fewer weapons.
Neither of them seemed completely inept - which is the word that describes the Giants to a T. They're incapable in any phase of the offense, not passing the ball, not running it. Their OL play is atrocious. We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
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based on just the numbers, Eli looked really good!
I'd actually ask if you watched the game or are just going by the numbers?
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Who the hell made any excuses for them?
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Wilson lost the game - by a TD, after he threw a pick six. They didn't get completely blown out in a non-competitve effort was the point.
The giants lost the Dallas game by a TD. And the Seahawks weren't much more competitive. They got a late TD, just like the Giants and tried an onside kick at the end with 10 seconds left.
same margin of defeat. Same look of not being in the game.
It is like you didn't watch it and are trying to tell us Wilson and Trubisky looked good. And you posted stats that frankly don't look better than Eli's did.
LOL, at some point I'm wonder if the Giants write you a check. I've been wondering where Pat Hanlon went.
I did watch last night's game - do you really want to claim that the Seahawks were out of contention in it as badly as the Giants were, and as early? Despite Wilson getting the shit kicked out of him in the first half (5 sacks there alone), he kept it to a TD. They were actually capable of moving the ball.
And IMO, that Bears defense will end up being a lot better than the Cowboys this year.
The point is and remains - this thread claims that without proper OL protection, QBs can't play well. Trubisky played a good game last night. There were plenty of times his protection broke down and he was rushed, and he either made a play with his legs or managed to get a throw completed. Wilson obviously struggled more, but he was playing a better defense with fewer weapons.
Neither of them seemed completely inept - which is the word that describes the Giants to a T. They're incapable in any phase of the offense, not passing the ball, not running it. Their OL play is atrocious. We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
The Seahawks had 3 points through 3 quarters. Wilson didn't do shit to keep it at a TD deficit.
He threw the ball well on the one drive I watched that led to TD in the 4QTR (i think) that really separated the game.
Why is this an Eli thing? You all have to wean yourself off that tit at some point...
LOL, at some point I'm wonder if the Giants write you a check. I've been wondering where Pat Hanlon went.
I did watch last night's game - do you really want to claim that the Seahawks were out of contention in it as badly as the Giants were, and as early? Despite Wilson getting the shit kicked out of him in the first half (5 sacks there alone), he kept it to a TD. They were actually capable of moving the ball.
And IMO, that Bears defense will end up being a lot better than the Cowboys this year.
The point is and remains - this thread claims that without proper OL protection, QBs can't play well. Trubisky played a good game last night. There were plenty of times his protection broke down and he was rushed, and he either made a play with his legs or managed to get a throw completed. Wilson obviously struggled more, but he was playing a better defense with fewer weapons.
Neither of them seemed completely inept - which is the word that describes the Giants to a T. They're incapable in any phase of the offense, not passing the ball, not running it. Their OL play is atrocious. We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
1. "Wilson kept it to a TD at half." LMAO. They had 3 points and he had 30 yards passing in the first half.
2. When did they move the ball in the first half?
3. Trubinsky had 2 balls picked and another 2 should have been and he misfired consistently downfield all night. Heres a great stat.
Bears WRs had 150 yards last night - on 21 cacthes!!!! Yep, really releasing that howlitzer of an arm.
The lengths people go to bash Eli and prop other QBs on this site is getting sickening.
Why is this an Eli thing? You all have to wean yourself off that tit at some point...
pot meeting kettle.
The Seahawks looked out of the game the majority of the time. They had 3 points at half (sound familiar), with a late drive getting them the points right before half. Fall behind by two scores early in the 4th. Cut it to a TD halfway through the 4th. Get the ball back and the next two possessions are a pick 6 and a fumble.
If you felt they were competitive and thought they really were in position to win the game, I don't know what to tell you.
Then, you posted the stats of the two QB's for a reason I'm still not sure to indicate they both played well.
The Giants don't have to write me a check to wonder exactly what the fuck you thought you saw last night.
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was in command, ball coming out on time and with some conviction from sideline to sideline. Showed some wheels as well when he had to.
Didn't see his two picks so not sure if those were bad throws or good plays by the defense.
And he got the W....
lol. I cant wait til you sing Eli's praises when they leads them to 17 point and throws 2 INTs and should have had 2 more picked off.
17 points, a few turnovers and a few mistakes he got away with...sounds like another day at the office for Eli.
Except of course Trubinsky won...
We got an almost identical performance to Seattle (minus the pick 6).
Running for the hills in glee is not what I'd call BBI in the least.
I was accused of not seeing the game - did only my broadcast have their last 1st half possession where they moved into Jankiowski's range and kicked a FG right before the half expired to get to within a TD?
He had 53 yards in the first half, which is not great (they lost 23 of them to sacks). He was under pressure constantly and sacked 5 times - and still managed to get his team downfield into FG range and get points on the board before the half.
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We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
We got an almost identical performance to Seattle (minus the pick 6).
Running for the hills in glee is not what I'd call BBI in the least.
Most of Eli's stats were put up well after the game was decided and the Cowboys had lost their CB. Seattle was in that one for longer, against a much tougher D.
He led them to 3 points therefore he kept them in the game. Not the defense, but Wilson and his magical 3 points. by driving them a whopping 30 yards in a drive.
LOL.
The Seahawks looked out of the game the majority of the time. They had 3 points at half (sound familiar), with a late drive getting them the points right before half. Fall behind by two scores early in the 4th. Cut it to a TD halfway through the 4th. Get the ball back and the next two possessions are a pick 6 and a fumble.
If you felt they were competitive and thought they really were in position to win the game, I don't know what to tell you.
Then, you posted the stats of the two QB's for a reason I'm still not sure to indicate they both played well.
The Giants don't have to write me a check to wonder exactly what the fuck you thought you saw last night.
Give me a fucking break. If you genuinely want to keep your position that the Seahawks were every bit as outmatched as we were against Dallas in this one, then I don't know what to say. And quite frankly, neither do you. Just keep making the same noises to rhyme with dep, you'll be fine.
Most of Eli's stats were put up well after the game was decided and the Cowboys had lost their CB. Seattle was in that one for longer, against a much tougher D.
You know that 43% of Wilsons passing yards came on the last drive when Chicago was in prevent defense and the game was over, right?
YDS: 200
TD: 2
INT 2
QBR 83.0
That's with an OL that did him no favors and pretty much under pressure all night.
Is there someone here that wants to convince me that we wouldn't be happy with those numbers under the circumstances, especially given the fact that they won the game?
Here's Wilson - with possibly just as shit an OL as ours, with far fewer skill position options, running for his life all night:
CPR 61.1
YDS 226
TD 2
INT 1
QBR 86.1
Now go look at Eli's numbers.
"They don't tell the whole story" I.e garbage time stats. Both Wilson scores were in garbage time. And he had two 4th quarter turnovers.
Eli in the meanwhile, just got knocked silly, and Barkley broke a fucking record for the most receptions without breaking a hundred yards.
That's the point, and it continues to escape you two dimwits.
"Longer"?? It was a near mirror image of the Giants-Dallas game. For the Giants game, it was a devastatingly poor effort that illustrates exactly why Eli is not a functioning QB anymore.
For Seattle, it was a gritty game, keeping it close with masterful drives to get a FG while under massive duress.
C'mon man. You are usually better than this.
Give me a fucking break. If you genuinely want to keep your position that the Seahawks were every bit as outmatched as we were against Dallas in this one, then I don't know what to say. And quite frankly, neither do you. Just keep making the same noises to rhyme with dep, you'll be fine.
Go back to BBH where the dumbasses roam and no one knows their foot from their heads.
I have never seen someone as wrong as you on a topic here. Its quite alarming.
I was accused of not seeing the game - did only my broadcast have their last 1st half possession where they moved into Jankiowski's range and kicked a FG right before the half expired to get to within a TD?
He had 53 yards in the first half, which is not great (they lost 23 of them to sacks). He was under pressure constantly and sacked 5 times - and still managed to get his team downfield into FG range and get points on the board before the half.
Sandwiched by 5 3 and outs. They had 66 yards total through 3 quarters.
The Giants with all their ineptness only had 2 3 and outs in the game and had 135 yards through 3 quarters.
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You asked when they moved the ball?
I was accused of not seeing the game - did only my broadcast have their last 1st half possession where they moved into Jankiowski's range and kicked a FG right before the half expired to get to within a TD?
He had 53 yards in the first half, which is not great (they lost 23 of them to sacks). He was under pressure constantly and sacked 5 times - and still managed to get his team downfield into FG range and get points on the board before the half.
Sandwiched by 5 3 and outs. They had 66 yards total through 3 quarters.
The Giants with all their ineptness only had 2 3 and outs in the game and had 135 yards through 3 quarters.
With one of the best WRs in the game and the 6th highest paid RB in the game, against a defense that wasn't exactly throwing Khalil Mack out there. Wilson's got jack shit to work with.
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Give me a fucking break. If you genuinely want to keep your position that the Seahawks were every bit as outmatched as we were against Dallas in this one, then I don't know what to say. And quite frankly, neither do you. Just keep making the same noises to rhyme with dep, you'll be fine.
Go back to BBH where the dumbasses roam and no one knows their foot from their heads.
I have never seen someone as wrong as you on a topic here. Its quite alarming.
That's funny, you were pretty fond of the place when they exiled you from here.
The point I've been hammering all thread is that Wilson and Trubisky played poorly last night.
You keep trying to say they played well. Have no fucking clue why, but that's your position and you are digging in, despite nearly everyone else who watched the game seeing that they played poorly.
Hell, it has degraded to the point that you're saying Eli's stats in garbage time even suck worse than Wilson's in garbage time. All we need now is a proclamation that Eli quit on the team while Wilson willed them to a failed comeback.
I don't know why, but you are uncharacteristically not just offbase, but insisting that you have some magical insight that nearly anyone else who watched last night lacked.
Ill take Wilson. But I am not taking either's OL because neither is going to succeed with any of them. Thats the whole point. People want this to be Eli vs. every other QB. Its not. Its about having an OL being able to pick up a simple stunt or block free blitzers or hell - just stay in front of their guy for more than a second.
I agree with you to a point. The one thing I will mention again is if a defense knows you can run, then it changes how they defend you. When you are a zero threat to run it then makes it worse for you and your struggling OL.
With one of the best WRs in the game and the 6th highest paid RB in the game, against a defense that wasn't exactly throwing Khalil Mack out there. Wilson's got jack shit to work with.
So your making excuses now for Wilson. But you said we cant make them for Eli. This is confusing.
Please tell me how the OL and skill players contributed to the pick 6? Was that on them or on wilson?
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That's the point, and it continues to escape you two dimwits.
The point I've been hammering all thread is that Wilson and Trubisky played poorly last night.
You keep trying to say they played well. Have no fucking clue why, but that's your position and you are digging in, despite nearly everyone else who watched the game seeing that they played poorly.
Hell, it has degraded to the point that you're saying Eli's stats in garbage time even suck worse than Wilson's in garbage time. All we need now is a proclamation that Eli quit on the team while Wilson willed them to a failed comeback.
I don't know why, but you are uncharacteristically not just offbase, but insisting that you have some magical insight that nearly anyone else who watched last night lacked.
What's your position on Eli's game against Dallas?
some idiot in our forum already said Eli quit Sunday night. Ridiculous. You can call Eli a lot of things but he is definitely NOT a quitter.
That's funny, you were pretty fond of the place when they exiled you from here.
Actually, I never was. I went back and made the owner foolish, which was my ultimate goal. I embarrassed him so bad on Davis Webb that he resulted to personal attacks on me and my family because he was so embarrassed. A moderator even told me they had to ban me cause it was his site.
Disgusting, vile place - and the owner is a pathetic human being.
Bingo. Its amazing how people dont get this. They actually argue that Wilson kept his team in the game by scoring 3 points instead.
I thought Eli played poorly. And I'm not putting up his stats of a 75% completion rate and hiding a key fumble lost to say otherwise.
What should be taken away here is that poor OL play leads shockingly to uneven and poor QB play.
But why is my take on Eli being discussed on a thread that was talking about last night's game, especially when my posts on this thread have illustrated how the two QB's last night played very badly?
The bigger question is why are you trying to say Wilson or Trubisky played well? My take is that this is almost a bizarre meltdown of sorts from a poster who is usually much better.
Are we going by your standards? If so, he played amazing! Look at those stats. High completion percentage. No INTs, awesome QB Rating.
In reality he could have done a better job on a couple dump offs by waiting and he shouldnt have fumbled. But he was under durress all night. Much more so than Wilson or Mitch Trubinsky, so its tough to say.
He was put in a very difficult situation (low odds of success) where he tried, but did not manage through extremely well.
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What's your position on Eli's game against Dallas?
I thought Eli played poorly. And I'm not putting up his stats of a 75% completion rate and hiding a key fumble lost to say otherwise.
What should be taken away here is that poor OL play leads shockingly to uneven and poor QB play.
But why is my take on Eli being discussed on a thread that was talking about last night's game, especially when my posts on this thread have illustrated how the two QB's last night played very badly?
The bigger question is why are you trying to say Wilson or Trubisky played well? My take is that this is almost a bizarre meltdown of sorts from a poster who is usually much better.
Because I don't think Trubisky played poorly. And while Wilson certainly didn't win or put up great stats, he did what he could with what he was given, despite extremely shitty protection.
That doesn't mean I think Trubisky is any great shakes - but he made plays, and played well enough to win. We could easily point back to a number of Eli victories with similar statlines and TOs, and we wouldn't be picking them apart.
And that's with shit in terms of protection. The point is - watch some football around the league, and QBs are doing more with less in terms of protection. Yes, they'll still do better if they have time, that's a given. But the NFL has shifted to more mobile QBs in large part due to the fact that they can't seem to find enough linemen to build the blocking OLs they were accustomed to in the past.
- You'll see Sam Bradford not cross midfield in a game
- You'll see Prescott not cross midfield until the 3rd quarter against Carolina
- You'll see Alex Smith making poor throws and decisions in the face of a not so great Indy D.
- You'll see Foles overmatched in two games against not so good D's
- You'll see Brady checking down and missing open players with Jax breathing down his neck.
- You'll see Drew Brees looking very average against two pedestrian D's.
There are Qb's doing more. QB's doing less. And I'm still trying to figure out the point you're trying to make, especially in regards to pointing to Trubisky and Wilson playing well. Trubisky threw 2 picks and had a 100 yard INT return dropped.
Neither guy played well. One of them won. Unless it was a tie - that was going to happen.
Nor have they failed to score 30 pts since 2015.
You are trying to compare 1 game of Russell Wilson vs a much bigger picture on Eli
Wilson threw for 298 yards and 3 TDs vs Denver week 1 for 24 pts. Eli has only manages such a feat in 6 of his 33 starts or only in 2 games all last season
Nor have they failed to score 30 pts since 2015.
You are trying to compare 1 game of Russell Wilson vs a much bigger picture on Eli
Wilson threw for 298 yards and 3 TDs vs Denver week 1 for 24 pts. Eli has only manages such a feat in 6 of his 33 starts or only in 2 games all last season
Good thing not one person said Eli was better than Wilson on this thread. So no one is comparing Eli to Wilson whatsoever.
Its nice that you only credit/discredit ONE player for an offenses success/failure.
Did you read the thread or just find it a convenient way to sneak in the talking points about the Giants record and the amount of points they scored??
Both offenses suck.
1. Because Seattle has no OLine.
2. Beacuse Trubinsky cant throw.
lord...
Schneider/Carroll had 9 picks in this past year's draft and drafted 1 olineman - in the 5th round. And what do those morons do? The same thing as Jints Central. They draft a RB in the first round.
You talk about an organization totally mismanaging the cap. I'd hate to be a Seattle fan right now...
Schneider/Carroll had 9 picks in this past year's draft and drafted 1 olineman - in the 5th round. And what do those morons do? The same thing as Jints Central. They draft a RB in the first round.
You talk about an organization totally mismanaging the cap. I'd hate to be a Seattle fan right now...
Beastmode was the heart of that championship team.
If you are a statue or can't throw on the run or make quick reads of the defense, you will not do well in the new NFL....
You need a pocket to slide into