it doesnt matter if you have a mobile passer or not. If you dont have an offensive line to protect, you are gonna get beat.
russell by comparison is a better qb than Eli but he couldnt do much as well.
man do i miss the days of Snee, McKenzie, Ohara..
2nd overall pick in the draft......
Another mobile QB everyone is in love with looks like shit through two games too. Watson has been getting killed and Houston is 0-2. Losing to Blaine Gabbert. Wrap your heads around that. That said he will be all world this weekend against our D.
Yes, agreed. Mobility helps. We absolutely wish we had more in Eli. But, most of the sacks Eli took would have been sacks by more mobile QB's. They were blown assignments and wide open shots, by multiple players.
There is an easy fix here. Do your damn job, keep the guy in front of you off your QB. Or risk getting fired.
His OLine sucks ass and he is struggling because of it. And while the pick 6 was all on him, its not really his fault. Every QBs clock shortens when you get pummeled every single play. I feel bad for him.
Well, now he has 2 in the last 4 seasons....awesome!
If you are a statue or can't throw on the run or make quick reads of the defense, you will not do well in the new NFL....
Excellent post Mike, which is nothing new for you
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Mobility is a definite plus for a QB, but there isn't a QB alive who could have succeeded with the pressure the Giants line allowed Sunday night. Some may have handled it better than Eli did for sure, but no QB is so mobile that he can play the position with free runners coming at him consistently.
Excellent post Mike, which is nothing new for you
I doubt this.. most QB would put up more than 3 meaningful points against that Dallas defense.. a few more points against the Jags defense and we have a win.. there are defintely wins being left because Eli is a statue and that would be fine if he was accurate like Brady but he isn't..
Is it Eli's fault we cannot run, especially inside the 10?
Is it Eli's fault when we drop passes or have the ball hit our facemask?
Is it Eli's fault when blockers dont pick up simple stunts or free blitzers?
Again people, the offense stinks because the ENTIRE offsense stinks. From the HC to QB to OL. The offense has left points off the board because we arent very good and havent been for awhile.
Changing one person is not the solution. OBJ and SB have come to play, but the efforts of the rest of their teammates have left them short.
So the pick 6 to end the game last night was because he has no weapons? He could have had OBJ and SB last night - it wouldnt affect it much since their OL couldnt block you or I.
2nd overall pick in the draft......
Was actually thinking that as well. He had that nice run on 3rd down but he leaves a lot to be desired as a passer. And because of that Jordan Howard isn’t going to get huge running lanes.
Not calling him a bust yet but it wouldn’t be surprising.
Is it Eli's fault we cannot run, especially inside the 10?
Is it Eli's fault when we drop passes or have the ball hit our facemask?
Is it Eli's fault when blockers dont pick up simple stunts or free blitzers?
Again people, the offense stinks because the ENTIRE offsense stinks. From the HC to QB to OL. The offense has left points off the board because we arent very good and havent been for awhile.
Changing one person is not the solution. OBJ and SB have come to play, but the efforts of the rest of their teammates have left them short.
I agree with you overall but just like you didn't include Eli in your last statement, i beleive the same thing.. you got people on this thread calling out Wilson who has far out performed Eli over the past 2+ season with an OL thats just as bad and no OBJ level skill weapon.. Its not all Eli's fault and there are many other to blame and some are way worse than Eli.. but Eli is also to be blamed.. he isn't blame free.. so please don't tell me after watching one game that Wilson won't be any better..
Jesus Christ. You people have an excuse for everything. No matter what, Eli is the QB and there is nothing you can do about it. Find something else to do other than whine on a discussion board about your resentment for Eli.
So basically it's a combination of both parties in his eyes.
Or are we only picking one side to evaluate here? That would fit the way BBI has been operating lately.
So basically it's a combination of both parties in his eyes.
And I think that's fair. I don't think anyone would argue that the state of the Giants OL means that any QB would struggle to succeed. Given Eli's particular limitations at this point, I would say that he is especially handicapped by the OL to an extent that a more athletic QB wouldn't be. I don't see why that's so hard to accept. It goes with the Russell Wilson discussion - the Seahawks' awful OL has been a major obstacle for Wilson the past couple of seasons, but he has still performed at a much higher level than Eli Manning has because he's much better equipped to deal with that particular hardship.
The game thread discussed how both he and Wilson were under a lot of pressure and it showed. Trubisky made several poor throws under duress and while he also scrambled, overall it wasn't a good showing by him.
#2 overall pick in the draft.
Or are we only picking one side to evaluate here? That would fit the way BBI has been operating lately.
His mobility may be his best feature.
YDS: 200
TD: 2
INT 2
QBR 83.0
That's with an OL that did him no favors and pretty much under pressure all night.
Is there someone here that wants to convince me that we wouldn't be happy with those numbers under the circumstances, especially given the fact that they won the game?
Here's Wilson - with possibly just as shit an OL as ours, with far fewer skill position options, running for his life all night:
CPR 61.1
YDS 226
TD 2
INT 1
QBR 86.1
The two draws failed to pick up a first down, and I can't imagine that play is better than throwing short of the sticks.
While his mobility certainly helped him on certain plays, it also was a negative on other plays, and combined with inaccuracy, helped derail drives that otherwise would be extended - some of the same things we complain about with Eli
YDS: 200
TD: 2
INT 2
QBR 83.0
That's with an OL that did him no favors and pretty much under pressure all night.
Is there someone here that wants to convince me that we wouldn't be happy with those numbers under the circumstances, especially given the fact that they won the game?
Here's Wilson - with possibly just as shit an OL as ours, with far fewer skill position options, running for his life all night:
CPR 61.1
YDS 226
TD 2
INT 1
QBR 86.1
Eli's stats
Completion percentage: 75%
Yards: 270
TD: 1
INTs: 0
QBrating: 100.9
So eli played awesome against Dallas then right?
CPR 61.1
YDS 226
TD 2
INT 1
QBR 86.1
A pick 6 and a fumble on the following drive to seal the loss. Does Eli get latitude on that as having a shit OL and being under duress all game, or would it be said that he's toast and the reason for the loss.
It's gotten beyond ridiculous at this point.
YDS: 200
TD: 2
INT 2
QBR 83.0
That's with an OL that did him no favors and pretty much under pressure all night.
Is there someone here that wants to convince me that we wouldn't be happy with those numbers under the circumstances, especially given the fact that they won the game?
Here's Wilson - with possibly just as shit an OL as ours, with far fewer skill position options, running for his life all night:
CPR 61.1
YDS 226
TD 2
INT 1
QBR 86.1
So lets gets this straight JCN
Trubinsky throws two awful INTs, threw nothing but dump offs all night, had a 3rd INT that should have been a picked 6 dropped and led the offense to a total of 17 points - you are going to sit here and tell me that BBI would have been ecstatic about Eli doing that in a game? Come on now.... this is getting ridiculous.
By the way Wilson threw the back breaking pick 6 on an AWFUL throw down 7 and driving to tie it and then followed it up with a strip sack for holding it too long. Yeah, BBI would have loved that from Eli.
The people who bash Eli and make excuses for other QBs is comical on this board anymore.
Agree. Think he was way overdrafted. He's someone I would have passed over to take Barkley. But not Darnold, Rosen and Allen.
Trubisky didn't, and he won. And despite having Khalil Mack on his back all night and shit pretty much across the board elsewhere on O, Wilson could have pulled that one out as well.
Offensive line play in the NFL has declined, and offenses have been built to work around that.
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it doesnt matter if you have a mobile passer or not. If you dont have an offensive line to protect, you are gonna get beat.
Trubisky didn't, and he won. And despite having Khalil Mack on his back all night and shit pretty much across the board elsewhere on O, Wilson could have pulled that one out as well.
Offensive line play in the NFL has declined, and offenses have been built to work around that.
So you make excuses for other QBs but not the team you root for. Great fan you are.
Oh, by the way, the reason why Seattle lost was because of Wilson's play. The two TOs had nothing to do with the OL or skilled player. Wilson made two AWFUL plays.... but I guess its ok to exonerate him.
I understand and agree that this team is not going to be successful with awful OL play. I also don't think looking at Wilson gives us reason to have comfort in Eli's play (which may not have been the point of the thread).
In a matchup featuring two poor OL's somebody has to win.
But in addition to Wilson's absolutely shit OL - he's got nothing else around him there either.
You want to bet that Wilson would be a much better player if he had OBJ out there?
But in addition to Wilson's absolutely shit OL - he's got nothing else around him there either.
You want to bet that Wilson would be a much better player if he had OBJ out there?
We will never know. Wilson sucked balls last night. Despite the OL and his skilled receivers.
I understand and agree that this team is not going to be successful with awful OL play. I also don't think looking at Wilson gives us reason to have comfort in Eli's play (which may not have been the point of the thread).
Wilson is also on pace for 40 turnovers too.
And again, we have to separate the narrative. Russell Wilson is not at fault for his teams shittiness. We are just proving that you can have a great athletic QB who has been great in the league and put a shitty OL around him, and he is just going to get it done.
This has nothing to with Eli but more the OL.
You know that Eli's had quite a few games like that, right? Even when he had a perfectly functional OL?
If you're going to claim double standards, I'm not sure this is the avenue you want to pursue.
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Trubisky didn't, and he won
In a matchup featuring two poor OL's somebody has to win.
Let's do it again for the reading impaired. The main point of this thread, starting with the OP:
It was wrong. And despite two shit OLs, the two QBs in this one put up decent numbers. Numbers that quite frankly we'd kill for based on what our team has been putting up lately.
Ill take Wilson. But I am not taking either's OL because neither is going to succeed with any of them. Thats the whole point. People want this to be Eli vs. every other QB. Its not. Its about having an OL being able to pick up a simple stunt or block free blitzers or hell - just stay in front of their guy for more than a second.
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We will never know. Wilson sucked balls last night. Despite the OL and his skilled receivers.
You know that Eli's had quite a few games like that, right? Even when he had a perfectly functional OL?
If you're going to claim double standards, I'm not sure this is the avenue you want to pursue.
You keep bringing it back to Eli and thats fine given my past. All I have focused this year is a shit OL. And how no matter who is QBing, they are set up for failure.
Your bragging that Wilson lost by a score yet failing to realize they scored a TD with 4 seconds left. Does Eli get credit for losing by a score to Dallas as well? Jesus Christ.
I'd actually ask if you watched the game or are just going by the numbers?
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Wilson lost the game - by a TD, after he threw a pick six. They didn't get completely blown out in a non-competitve effort was the point.
The giants lost the Dallas game by a TD. And the Seahawks weren't much more competitive. They got a late TD, just like the Giants and tried an onside kick at the end with 10 seconds left.
same margin of defeat. Same look of not being in the game.
It is like you didn't watch it and are trying to tell us Wilson and Trubisky looked good. And you posted stats that frankly don't look better than Eli's did.
Shhhh, those stats dont matter. The ones he posted did, and the ones he did still suck.
Wilson and Rodgers would fare better than Eli with our OL because not only are they elusive, but they are great throwers. Guys like Trubinsky and his ilk may evade pressure but who the hell knows where the ball is going.
I dont know whos arguing no other QB could play better. My argument is mostly all if not all would struggle or not play as well as their capabilities.
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I think Wilson may have it worse than Eli, but he's still thrown for 5 TDs this year. Wilson is outplaying Eli right now. Watching the two games (and focusing on plays from the pocket), Wilson looked to me to be keeping his eyes down the field looking to make a play as the pocket collapsed. Eli often looked like he was shifting his body to try and avoid a rush or brace for a hit while the defender was still a few yards away.
I understand and agree that this team is not going to be successful with awful OL play. I also don't think looking at Wilson gives us reason to have comfort in Eli's play (which may not have been the point of the thread).
Wilson is also on pace for 40 turnovers too.
And again, we have to separate the narrative. Russell Wilson is not at fault for his teams shittiness. We are just proving that you can have a great athletic QB who has been great in the league and put a shitty OL around him, and he is just going to get it done.
This has nothing to with Eli but more the OL.
I don't agree that it has nothing to do with Eli. Eli seems to be feeling the rush in ways he didn't in his prime.
I think people here forget how bad the 2011 line was. PFF (FWIW) ranked it the worst pass blocking line in the league. This entire board was all over Diehl every week. I don't think that line had the same number of mental mistakes this group has had so far, though. They just got demolished physically.
Agreed. And we could say the same about Wilson's as well. Thats our point. No QB played well last night no matter what their (shitty) stat line says.
I don't agree that it has nothing to do with Eli. Eli seems to be feeling the rush in ways he didn't in his prime.
I think people here forget how bad the 2011 line was. PFF (FWIW) ranked it the worst pass blocking line in the league. This entire board was all over Diehl every week. I don't think that line had the same number of mental mistakes this group has had so far, though. They just got demolished physically.
My main argument with the OL and the sacks are the unblocked blockers. If a guy comes free, expectatign any QB to sit there and make a throw downfield is just unrealistic. There are sacks caused my Eli lack of mobility, but the pressure he faced against Dallas was just guy having free reign. Even if you avoid the first one, he was gettign hit by 2/3rd guys. Long developing patterns were impossible last game.
His completion % was 75% because whenever the pocket closed in, he threw the ball about 2 yards.
The point that should be taken away from the Dallas game and the game last night is that a poor OL hamstrings a team and disrupts an offense.
Are some QB's better at making chicken salad out of chicken shit? Yes. But even then, they make critical mistakes because of pressure.
This shouldn't be an Eli vs. Trubisky vs. Wilson debate - it should just be an example that in the face of really poor OL play, QB's, even mobile QB's will look pedestrian.
Didn't see his two picks so not sure if those were bad throws or good plays by the defense.
And he got the W....
2nd overall pick in the draft......
Didn't see his two picks so not sure if those were bad throws or good plays by the defense.
And he got the W....
So you missed his two picks, and the one that was dropped in the end zone for what would have been a 100 yard pick 6 return.
Didn't see his two picks so not sure if those were bad throws or good plays by the defense.
And he got the W....
lol. I cant wait til you sing Eli's praises when they leads them to 17 point and throws 2 INTs and should have had 2 more picked off.
I'd actually ask if you watched the game or are just going by the numbers?
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Who the hell made any excuses for them?
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Wilson lost the game - by a TD, after he threw a pick six. They didn't get completely blown out in a non-competitve effort was the point.
The giants lost the Dallas game by a TD. And the Seahawks weren't much more competitive. They got a late TD, just like the Giants and tried an onside kick at the end with 10 seconds left.
same margin of defeat. Same look of not being in the game.
It is like you didn't watch it and are trying to tell us Wilson and Trubisky looked good. And you posted stats that frankly don't look better than Eli's did.
LOL, at some point I'm wonder if the Giants write you a check. I've been wondering where Pat Hanlon went.
I did watch last night's game - do you really want to claim that the Seahawks were out of contention in it as badly as the Giants were, and as early? Despite Wilson getting the shit kicked out of him in the first half (5 sacks there alone), he kept it to a TD. They were actually capable of moving the ball.
And IMO, that Bears defense will end up being a lot better than the Cowboys this year.
The point is and remains - this thread claims that without proper OL protection, QBs can't play well. Trubisky played a good game last night. There were plenty of times his protection broke down and he was rushed, and he either made a play with his legs or managed to get a throw completed. Wilson obviously struggled more, but he was playing a better defense with fewer weapons.
Neither of them seemed completely inept - which is the word that describes the Giants to a T. They're incapable in any phase of the offense, not passing the ball, not running it. Their OL play is atrocious. We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
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based on just the numbers, Eli looked really good!
I'd actually ask if you watched the game or are just going by the numbers?
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Who the hell made any excuses for them?
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Wilson lost the game - by a TD, after he threw a pick six. They didn't get completely blown out in a non-competitve effort was the point.
The giants lost the Dallas game by a TD. And the Seahawks weren't much more competitive. They got a late TD, just like the Giants and tried an onside kick at the end with 10 seconds left.
same margin of defeat. Same look of not being in the game.
It is like you didn't watch it and are trying to tell us Wilson and Trubisky looked good. And you posted stats that frankly don't look better than Eli's did.
LOL, at some point I'm wonder if the Giants write you a check. I've been wondering where Pat Hanlon went.
I did watch last night's game - do you really want to claim that the Seahawks were out of contention in it as badly as the Giants were, and as early? Despite Wilson getting the shit kicked out of him in the first half (5 sacks there alone), he kept it to a TD. They were actually capable of moving the ball.
And IMO, that Bears defense will end up being a lot better than the Cowboys this year.
The point is and remains - this thread claims that without proper OL protection, QBs can't play well. Trubisky played a good game last night. There were plenty of times his protection broke down and he was rushed, and he either made a play with his legs or managed to get a throw completed. Wilson obviously struggled more, but he was playing a better defense with fewer weapons.
Neither of them seemed completely inept - which is the word that describes the Giants to a T. They're incapable in any phase of the offense, not passing the ball, not running it. Their OL play is atrocious. We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
The Seahawks had 3 points through 3 quarters. Wilson didn't do shit to keep it at a TD deficit.
He threw the ball well on the one drive I watched that led to TD in the 4QTR (i think) that really separated the game.
Why is this an Eli thing? You all have to wean yourself off that tit at some point...
LOL, at some point I'm wonder if the Giants write you a check. I've been wondering where Pat Hanlon went.
I did watch last night's game - do you really want to claim that the Seahawks were out of contention in it as badly as the Giants were, and as early? Despite Wilson getting the shit kicked out of him in the first half (5 sacks there alone), he kept it to a TD. They were actually capable of moving the ball.
And IMO, that Bears defense will end up being a lot better than the Cowboys this year.
The point is and remains - this thread claims that without proper OL protection, QBs can't play well. Trubisky played a good game last night. There were plenty of times his protection broke down and he was rushed, and he either made a play with his legs or managed to get a throw completed. Wilson obviously struggled more, but he was playing a better defense with fewer weapons.
Neither of them seemed completely inept - which is the word that describes the Giants to a T. They're incapable in any phase of the offense, not passing the ball, not running it. Their OL play is atrocious. We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
1. "Wilson kept it to a TD at half." LMAO. They had 3 points and he had 30 yards passing in the first half.
2. When did they move the ball in the first half?
3. Trubinsky had 2 balls picked and another 2 should have been and he misfired consistently downfield all night. Heres a great stat.
Bears WRs had 150 yards last night - on 21 cacthes!!!! Yep, really releasing that howlitzer of an arm.
The lengths people go to bash Eli and prop other QBs on this site is getting sickening.
Why is this an Eli thing? You all have to wean yourself off that tit at some point...
pot meeting kettle.
The Seahawks looked out of the game the majority of the time. They had 3 points at half (sound familiar), with a late drive getting them the points right before half. Fall behind by two scores early in the 4th. Cut it to a TD halfway through the 4th. Get the ball back and the next two possessions are a pick 6 and a fumble.
If you felt they were competitive and thought they really were in position to win the game, I don't know what to tell you.
Then, you posted the stats of the two QB's for a reason I'm still not sure to indicate they both played well.
The Giants don't have to write me a check to wonder exactly what the fuck you thought you saw last night.
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was in command, ball coming out on time and with some conviction from sideline to sideline. Showed some wheels as well when he had to.
Didn't see his two picks so not sure if those were bad throws or good plays by the defense.
And he got the W....
lol. I cant wait til you sing Eli's praises when they leads them to 17 point and throws 2 INTs and should have had 2 more picked off.
17 points, a few turnovers and a few mistakes he got away with...sounds like another day at the office for Eli.
Except of course Trubinsky won...
We got an almost identical performance to Seattle (minus the pick 6).
Running for the hills in glee is not what I'd call BBI in the least.
I was accused of not seeing the game - did only my broadcast have their last 1st half possession where they moved into Jankiowski's range and kicked a FG right before the half expired to get to within a TD?
He had 53 yards in the first half, which is not great (they lost 23 of them to sacks). He was under pressure constantly and sacked 5 times - and still managed to get his team downfield into FG range and get points on the board before the half.
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We would probably run screaming to the hills with glee if we could get an offensive performance similar to either team last night, and that's sad.
We got an almost identical performance to Seattle (minus the pick 6).
Running for the hills in glee is not what I'd call BBI in the least.
Most of Eli's stats were put up well after the game was decided and the Cowboys had lost their CB. Seattle was in that one for longer, against a much tougher D.
He led them to 3 points therefore he kept them in the game. Not the defense, but Wilson and his magical 3 points. by driving them a whopping 30 yards in a drive.
LOL.
The Seahawks looked out of the game the majority of the time. They had 3 points at half (sound familiar), with a late drive getting them the points right before half. Fall behind by two scores early in the 4th. Cut it to a TD halfway through the 4th. Get the ball back and the next two possessions are a pick 6 and a fumble.
If you felt they were competitive and thought they really were in position to win the game, I don't know what to tell you.
Then, you posted the stats of the two QB's for a reason I'm still not sure to indicate they both played well.
The Giants don't have to write me a check to wonder exactly what the fuck you thought you saw last night.
Give me a fucking break. If you genuinely want to keep your position that the Seahawks were every bit as outmatched as we were against Dallas in this one, then I don't know what to say. And quite frankly, neither do you. Just keep making the same noises to rhyme with dep, you'll be fine.
Most of Eli's stats were put up well after the game was decided and the Cowboys had lost their CB. Seattle was in that one for longer, against a much tougher D.
You know that 43% of Wilsons passing yards came on the last drive when Chicago was in prevent defense and the game was over, right?
YDS: 200
TD: 2
INT 2
QBR 83.0
That's with an OL that did him no favors and pretty much under pressure all night.
Is there someone here that wants to convince me that we wouldn't be happy with those numbers under the circumstances, especially given the fact that they won the game?
Here's Wilson - with possibly just as shit an OL as ours, with far fewer skill position options, running for his life all night:
CPR 61.1
YDS 226
TD 2
INT 1
QBR 86.1
Now go look at Eli's numbers.
"They don't tell the whole story" I.e garbage time stats. Both Wilson scores were in garbage time. And he had two 4th quarter turnovers.
Eli in the meanwhile, just got knocked silly, and Barkley broke a fucking record for the most receptions without breaking a hundred yards.
That's the point, and it continues to escape you two dimwits.
"Longer"?? It was a near mirror image of the Giants-Dallas game. For the Giants game, it was a devastatingly poor effort that illustrates exactly why Eli is not a functioning QB anymore.
For Seattle, it was a gritty game, keeping it close with masterful drives to get a FG while under massive duress.
C'mon man. You are usually better than this.
Give me a fucking break. If you genuinely want to keep your position that the Seahawks were every bit as outmatched as we were against Dallas in this one, then I don't know what to say. And quite frankly, neither do you. Just keep making the same noises to rhyme with dep, you'll be fine.
Go back to BBH where the dumbasses roam and no one knows their foot from their heads.
I have never seen someone as wrong as you on a topic here. Its quite alarming.
I was accused of not seeing the game - did only my broadcast have their last 1st half possession where they moved into Jankiowski's range and kicked a FG right before the half expired to get to within a TD?
He had 53 yards in the first half, which is not great (they lost 23 of them to sacks). He was under pressure constantly and sacked 5 times - and still managed to get his team downfield into FG range and get points on the board before the half.
Sandwiched by 5 3 and outs. They had 66 yards total through 3 quarters.
The Giants with all their ineptness only had 2 3 and outs in the game and had 135 yards through 3 quarters.
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You asked when they moved the ball?
I was accused of not seeing the game - did only my broadcast have their last 1st half possession where they moved into Jankiowski's range and kicked a FG right before the half expired to get to within a TD?
He had 53 yards in the first half, which is not great (they lost 23 of them to sacks). He was under pressure constantly and sacked 5 times - and still managed to get his team downfield into FG range and get points on the board before the half.
Sandwiched by 5 3 and outs. They had 66 yards total through 3 quarters.
The Giants with all their ineptness only had 2 3 and outs in the game and had 135 yards through 3 quarters.
With one of the best WRs in the game and the 6th highest paid RB in the game, against a defense that wasn't exactly throwing Khalil Mack out there. Wilson's got jack shit to work with.
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Give me a fucking break. If you genuinely want to keep your position that the Seahawks were every bit as outmatched as we were against Dallas in this one, then I don't know what to say. And quite frankly, neither do you. Just keep making the same noises to rhyme with dep, you'll be fine.
Go back to BBH where the dumbasses roam and no one knows their foot from their heads.
I have never seen someone as wrong as you on a topic here. Its quite alarming.
That's funny, you were pretty fond of the place when they exiled you from here.
The point I've been hammering all thread is that Wilson and Trubisky played poorly last night.
You keep trying to say they played well. Have no fucking clue why, but that's your position and you are digging in, despite nearly everyone else who watched the game seeing that they played poorly.
Hell, it has degraded to the point that you're saying Eli's stats in garbage time even suck worse than Wilson's in garbage time. All we need now is a proclamation that Eli quit on the team while Wilson willed them to a failed comeback.
I don't know why, but you are uncharacteristically not just offbase, but insisting that you have some magical insight that nearly anyone else who watched last night lacked.
Ill take Wilson. But I am not taking either's OL because neither is going to succeed with any of them. Thats the whole point. People want this to be Eli vs. every other QB. Its not. Its about having an OL being able to pick up a simple stunt or block free blitzers or hell - just stay in front of their guy for more than a second.
I agree with you to a point. The one thing I will mention again is if a defense knows you can run, then it changes how they defend you. When you are a zero threat to run it then makes it worse for you and your struggling OL.
With one of the best WRs in the game and the 6th highest paid RB in the game, against a defense that wasn't exactly throwing Khalil Mack out there. Wilson's got jack shit to work with.
So your making excuses now for Wilson. But you said we cant make them for Eli. This is confusing.
Please tell me how the OL and skill players contributed to the pick 6? Was that on them or on wilson?
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That's the point, and it continues to escape you two dimwits.
The point I've been hammering all thread is that Wilson and Trubisky played poorly last night.
You keep trying to say they played well. Have no fucking clue why, but that's your position and you are digging in, despite nearly everyone else who watched the game seeing that they played poorly.
Hell, it has degraded to the point that you're saying Eli's stats in garbage time even suck worse than Wilson's in garbage time. All we need now is a proclamation that Eli quit on the team while Wilson willed them to a failed comeback.
I don't know why, but you are uncharacteristically not just offbase, but insisting that you have some magical insight that nearly anyone else who watched last night lacked.
What's your position on Eli's game against Dallas?
some idiot in our forum already said Eli quit Sunday night. Ridiculous. You can call Eli a lot of things but he is definitely NOT a quitter.
That's funny, you were pretty fond of the place when they exiled you from here.
Actually, I never was. I went back and made the owner foolish, which was my ultimate goal. I embarrassed him so bad on Davis Webb that he resulted to personal attacks on me and my family because he was so embarrassed. A moderator even told me they had to ban me cause it was his site.
Disgusting, vile place - and the owner is a pathetic human being.
Bingo. Its amazing how people dont get this. They actually argue that Wilson kept his team in the game by scoring 3 points instead.
I thought Eli played poorly. And I'm not putting up his stats of a 75% completion rate and hiding a key fumble lost to say otherwise.
What should be taken away here is that poor OL play leads shockingly to uneven and poor QB play.
But why is my take on Eli being discussed on a thread that was talking about last night's game, especially when my posts on this thread have illustrated how the two QB's last night played very badly?
The bigger question is why are you trying to say Wilson or Trubisky played well? My take is that this is almost a bizarre meltdown of sorts from a poster who is usually much better.
Are we going by your standards? If so, he played amazing! Look at those stats. High completion percentage. No INTs, awesome QB Rating.
In reality he could have done a better job on a couple dump offs by waiting and he shouldnt have fumbled. But he was under durress all night. Much more so than Wilson or Mitch Trubinsky, so its tough to say.
He was put in a very difficult situation (low odds of success) where he tried, but did not manage through extremely well.
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What's your position on Eli's game against Dallas?
I thought Eli played poorly. And I'm not putting up his stats of a 75% completion rate and hiding a key fumble lost to say otherwise.
What should be taken away here is that poor OL play leads shockingly to uneven and poor QB play.
But why is my take on Eli being discussed on a thread that was talking about last night's game, especially when my posts on this thread have illustrated how the two QB's last night played very badly?
The bigger question is why are you trying to say Wilson or Trubisky played well? My take is that this is almost a bizarre meltdown of sorts from a poster who is usually much better.
Because I don't think Trubisky played poorly. And while Wilson certainly didn't win or put up great stats, he did what he could with what he was given, despite extremely shitty protection.
That doesn't mean I think Trubisky is any great shakes - but he made plays, and played well enough to win. We could easily point back to a number of Eli victories with similar statlines and TOs, and we wouldn't be picking them apart.
And that's with shit in terms of protection. The point is - watch some football around the league, and QBs are doing more with less in terms of protection. Yes, they'll still do better if they have time, that's a given. But the NFL has shifted to more mobile QBs in large part due to the fact that they can't seem to find enough linemen to build the blocking OLs they were accustomed to in the past.
- You'll see Sam Bradford not cross midfield in a game
- You'll see Prescott not cross midfield until the 3rd quarter against Carolina
- You'll see Alex Smith making poor throws and decisions in the face of a not so great Indy D.
- You'll see Foles overmatched in two games against not so good D's
- You'll see Brady checking down and missing open players with Jax breathing down his neck.
- You'll see Drew Brees looking very average against two pedestrian D's.
There are Qb's doing more. QB's doing less. And I'm still trying to figure out the point you're trying to make, especially in regards to pointing to Trubisky and Wilson playing well. Trubisky threw 2 picks and had a 100 yard INT return dropped.
Neither guy played well. One of them won. Unless it was a tie - that was going to happen.
Nor have they failed to score 30 pts since 2015.
You are trying to compare 1 game of Russell Wilson vs a much bigger picture on Eli
Wilson threw for 298 yards and 3 TDs vs Denver week 1 for 24 pts. Eli has only manages such a feat in 6 of his 33 starts or only in 2 games all last season
Nor have they failed to score 30 pts since 2015.
You are trying to compare 1 game of Russell Wilson vs a much bigger picture on Eli
Wilson threw for 298 yards and 3 TDs vs Denver week 1 for 24 pts. Eli has only manages such a feat in 6 of his 33 starts or only in 2 games all last season
Good thing not one person said Eli was better than Wilson on this thread. So no one is comparing Eli to Wilson whatsoever.
Its nice that you only credit/discredit ONE player for an offenses success/failure.
Did you read the thread or just find it a convenient way to sneak in the talking points about the Giants record and the amount of points they scored??
Both offenses suck.
1. Because Seattle has no OLine.
2. Beacuse Trubinsky cant throw.
lord...
Schneider/Carroll had 9 picks in this past year's draft and drafted 1 olineman - in the 5th round. And what do those morons do? The same thing as Jints Central. They draft a RB in the first round.
You talk about an organization totally mismanaging the cap. I'd hate to be a Seattle fan right now...
Schneider/Carroll had 9 picks in this past year's draft and drafted 1 olineman - in the 5th round. And what do those morons do? The same thing as Jints Central. They draft a RB in the first round.
You talk about an organization totally mismanaging the cap. I'd hate to be a Seattle fan right now...
Beastmode was the heart of that championship team.
If you are a statue or can't throw on the run or make quick reads of the defense, you will not do well in the new NFL....
You need a pocket to slide into