Why isn't Offensive Line Coach Hal Hunter

But I think Flowers was misunderstood .....i think it was more that he had not faced anyone like him...as the Giants OV is about 255, Detroit Anesh is about 260.

The interior stunts has been a problem since the Cleveland preseason and its still an issue.....the coaches must have addressed it....but it has not been fixed .....

fire everybody after 2 games. Great idea.

In comment 14083288 Gman11 said:

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fire everybody after 2 games. Great idea.

Yeap...that's what I said...

In comment 14083301 mvftw said:

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In comment 14083288 Gman11 said: Quote: fire everybody after 2 games. Great idea. Yeap...that's what I said...

Doesn't matter what you said. Just pointing out how stupid your post is.

Is why this group of 5 didn’t play every down together in each of the preseason games Instead if trotting out the garbage to see what they have. How can u expect this group to gel when they basically have played what amounts to one quarter before the season opener?

I think that's also due to the fact that Shurmur was touted as a former OL who really knew the position and would help to get these guys ready/playing better.

Everyone and everything involved in the OL performance:

Owner
GM
Coach
Position Coach
Player

may be it isn't just the coaching.. may be the players are just not good.. Also patient is needed for a coach that has only been here for 2 games..

Pat Flaherty is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL and had great success here during the Super Bowl year. He was essentially let go due to the poor line play, moved onto San Francisco and now Jacksonville, molding very nice lines.

Mike Solari followed up Flaherty, after successful years in San Francisco and Green Bay. He was ousted after the McAdoo change, although he landed a job immediately with Seattle (although they have their own line issues).

My point is, the Giants have had some very good coaches come and go through this facility. The constant has been terrible talent. I'm beyond blaming coaching... Players need to execute, period.

One is a rookie, two are playing new positions, all are playing under a new staff.

Give it time

But twe probably should have seen it coming.

New coaches, new offense, and CBA that greatly limits the time available for the installs that such change requires. Add in the fact that the group of players along the OL never faced live fire together, and one of them is a rookie.

It’s bound to take more than a week or two to get the scheme stuff working as intended.

Doesn’t make it any easier to endure, and doesn’t mean the talent is good enough. It should get better. We will see.

in the oline supply from the college ranks, one can argue the oline coach is the most important coaching position outside the HC.

Yes, it's early. But the mistakes - whether mental, physical or both - are so egregious that you have to be very skeptical about this hire.

Shurmur doesn't seem the type to throw anyone under the bus publicly.

Who practically spit beer in my face that we hired their shitty offensive line coach who nearly got Andrew luck killed

In comment 14083427 mattlawson said:

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Who practically spit beer in my face that we hired their shitty offensive line coach who nearly got Andrew luck killed

Well, to be fair, Grigson was a horrible GM...

that the o line is playing so terrible, and the head coach was a center. he should be all over this

we can't be that bad.....I guess the last SB win in 11-12 is still too close to the present....this is the price we pay for 2 SuperBowls 4 years apart......That is the ONLY thing it can be...

In comment 14083326 GiantsRage2007 said:

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Everyone and everything involved in the OL performance: Owner GM Coach Position Coach Player

But the OP isn't questioning, he just wants to place the whole blame on Hunter (throw him under the bus) like that fixes everything.

If the line is new, isn't it incumbent on the coaching staff for them to play as many times and as often together, so they have the best chance of hitting the season opener in stride. Instead, as Caribou said, they hardly played at all during the preseason. If as Mountaingiant says they need more time to play together before they improve, why didn't we give them as much time as they needed during the exhibition season. I think that's a legitimate question. I think the danger of someone getting hurt pales in comparison to having a line that is unfamiliar with playing together. Complete miss by the coaching staff.

each and every stunt and twist that the Cowboys defense executed against the Giants offense during the coming practice sessions.
No use looking forwrd until you clean up the pathetic performance you left behind.

an answer for Watt, Clowney and Mercilus this week.

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If the line is new, isn't it incumbent on the coaching staff for them to play as many times and as often together, so they have the best chance of hitting the season opener in stride. Instead, as Caribou said, they hardly played at all during the preseason. If as Mountaingiant says they need more time to play together before they improve, why didn't we give them as much time as they needed during the exhibition season. I think that's a legitimate question. I think the danger of someone getting hurt pales in comparison to having a line that is unfamiliar with playing together. Complete miss by the coaching staff.

Yeah it is but it's always been stated repeatedly in the past by numerous experts that O-Lines take time to jell. If you notice they did ok during the preseason but you're not going to see that many looping blitzes and stunts in those 4 games. In addition Preseason is more about your depth and evaluating it

he was absolutely spot on. This team is a work in progress. It will not all happen over night.it is going to take time. He said the OL has to have 4 games in a row that playing together and understanding each other before they can really get into any kind of rhythm. We need patience. This team is not winning the Super Bowl this year. We will be better but it is just going to take some time.

In comment 14083631 wonderback said:

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If the line is new, isn't it incumbent on the coaching staff for them to play as many times and as often together, so they have the best chance of hitting the season opener in stride. Instead, as Caribou said, they hardly played at all during the preseason. If as Mountaingiant says they need more time to play together before they improve, why didn't we give them as much time as they needed during the exhibition season. I think that's a legitimate question. I think the danger of someone getting hurt pales in comparison to having a line that is unfamiliar with playing together. Complete miss by the coaching staff.

Simple injuries suck! Losing someone in a pre-season game that means nothing would totally suck. Fast forward game 2 starting C done for year.

I tell you via coaching punch with your right.....what do i do when you punch with your left? Is that my fault?

Is Hal Hunter's resume and performance suspect?

Aren't there any indicators this could be true?

See his time in Indy. Exhibit 1-6

In comment 14083898 mattlawson said:

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See his time in Indy. Exhibit 1-6

I don't really have an opinion on him at this point. But to be fair I believe he was the actual OL coach for only one season in Indy the rest of his time there he was an assistant OL coach. His longest stint as an OL coach was for the Chargers for for six season (2006-2011) and some of those Chargers teams had pretty decent offenses.

I think with a new line where guys are not used to having played together, suspect talent at some spots, and only two games into the season it is just too premature to form an concrete opinion. No doubt it was a woeful conformance in Dallas but at this point I doubt anyone can say for certain whether it was more on the coach or the players.

have these guys played together? 5 preseason quarters plus 2 games? That is NOT much time to know what the guy next to you will do, especially against a creative pass rush like the 'Boys. One rookie (Hernandez) and one sub (Greco), too,

Because the talent at 3 of the starting positions goes from average at best(Omameh) to poor(Flowers) to terrible(Halapio). Greco isn't any better and the rest of the backups, believe ot or not, are even worse.

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have these guys played together? 5 preseason quarters plus 2 games? That is NOT much time to know what the guy next to you will do, especially against a creative pass rush like the 'Boys. One rookie (Hernandez) and one sub (Greco), too,

So why didn't we increase the number of quarters they played together in the pre-season? I know people can get hurt but this is a really specious argument. They needed to practice more. Case closed. Isn't that obvious. Are we supposed to wait till game 6 before that happens?

Before anyone brings it up, I'm not saying playing them more in exhibition games would have solved all our problems, I'm just saying we would be that much further into the process. I think given the inexperience of our line playing together it's a no-brainer.

I'm not seeing any evidence of alleged talent from Omameh.

In comment 14083362 aimrocky said:

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Pat Flaherty is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL and had great success here during the Super Bowl year. He was essentially let go due to the poor line play, moved onto San Francisco and now Jacksonville, molding very nice lines. Mike Solari followed up Flaherty, after successful years in San Francisco and Green Bay. He was ousted after the McAdoo change, although he landed a job immediately with Seattle (although they have their own line issues). My point is, the Giants have had some very good coaches come and go through this facility. The constant has been terrible talent. I'm beyond blaming coaching... Players need to execute, period.

agree can't put this on the coaches anymore. We have guys that cannot beat their own assigned guy. Might be interesting to see if that Baldinger guy will show some of it with the coaching tape view.

In comment 14083427 mattlawson said:

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Who practically spit beer in my face that we hired their shitty offensive line coach who nearly got Andrew luck killed

Yeah, he realized we copied their talent model and knew that he changed jobs into the same situation. Guys that cannot compete. However, what is really scary is Solder. He better step it up fast given what he is paid.