Has Eli Manning lost his gunslinger mentality ?

to allow the time for receivers to get open, and for Eli to be the gunslinger. All the short routes and check downs are a result of it. As soon as Eli detects pressure, his eyes are dropping to see where the rush is coming to truck him, rather than looking downfield for receivers.

Checking down to Barkley, with a hope he will break a big one.

Its the smart thing to do, but I rather see Eli go down with guns blazing and take a chance with throwing to 13 no matter how covered he is.

What I do know is Eli has thrown more check down passes than I have ever seen and rarely takes that deep shot. Is the reason for this the lack of protection or confidence in the OL, his unwillingness to take a hit or simply not seeing the open receiver? frustrating that the organization put their faith in Eli, and his play has been sub par.Yes, the OL is part of the problem, but I think Eli is as well.

I think a lot of the penchant to check down and get rid of the ball is not about getting hit but about not turning the ball over. He can't make pure arm throws with guys at his feet anymore - he needs room to have a base under him.

in the past hr played fast and loose thinking if he gets pucked he will get the ball back and drive right down the feild. Not so much anymore. He is in jis own head to much. Need much more grip it and rip it mentality

IMO I would rather see him force a big play than the constant dump offs.
I know it was frustrating at times when it didn't work but it also put fear in defenses knowing he was willing to throw a risky back shoulder or a deep route to Beckham, Nicks, Plax, TE's, etc

There is no time for anyone to get more than 5 yards downfield on nearly every play... you can't make a 30 yard pass 1 second after the snap, the WR aren't more than 5 yards downfield yet.

I'm 42 years old. In my 20's I would run through brick walls if needed. Today I'm more cautious in my appetite for "gun slinging."

I work in damn finance and it feels like my commute into NYC alone is a war. Couldn't imagine getting hit repeatedly, for six years by defensive killing machines.

Like no bull. Some of these guys playing today on defense can kill an normal human with a hit. Nuts

during that first drive in week 1.

Favre but hes running scared now and who can blame him?

But IMO, it's part of the reason for his demise. Immediately after the 27 INT 2013 season, he became gunshy.

This data from Pro Football Reference, beginning in '06 when they started classifying passes as short/middle/deep:

Deep passes thrown by Eli Manning (by year)
2006 - 74
2007 - 89
2008 - 90
2009 - 93
2010 - 99
2011 - 103
2012 - 79
2013 - 86
2014 – 70
2015 – 56
2016 – 59
2017 – 56

In comment 14083677 AJ23 said:

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But IMO, it's part of the reason for his demise. Immediately after the 27 INT 2013 season, he became gunshy. This data from Pro Football Reference, beginning in '06 when they started classifying passes as short/middle/deep: Deep passes thrown by Eli Manning (by year) 2006 - 74 2007 - 89 2008 - 90 2009 - 93 2010 - 99 2011 - 103 2012 - 79 2013 - 86 2014 – 70 2015 – 56 2016 – 59 2017 – 56

He had 25 INT's in 2010. He didn't become gunshy.

The offense changed after Coughlin. Started when Gilbride left and McAdoo was brought in. What you are seeing there is the offensive scheme change.

In comment 14083677 AJ23 said:

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But IMO, it's part of the reason for his demise. Immediately after the 27 INT 2013 season, he became gunshy. This data from Pro Football Reference, beginning in '06 when they started classifying passes as short/middle/deep: Deep passes thrown by Eli Manning (by year) 2006 - 74 2007 - 89 2008 - 90 2009 - 93 2010 - 99 2011 - 103 2012 - 79 2013 - 86 2014 – 70 2015 – 56 2016 – 59 2017 – 56

But this is the same timeline as the coordinator switch and the emphasis to be a west coast offense.
Which allows the defense to play closer to the line of scrimmage.

the coaching change. Coughlin is/was a big believer in taking a prescribed number of "shots" per game. I've heard him espouse the theory several times.

McAdoo was not so much in tune with that.

short higher percentage passes are great when you hit guys in motion and they take it to the house- otherwise its checkdown city and it sucks.

odell is the only player on the team that has taken it to the house like that consistently. usually on the slant catching the D off balance. the old offense was "i dont care about stats, we want to win the game and score points, and thats moving the ball down the field and hitting big plays"

ever since mara said "the offense is broken" we changed philosophies completely and went to an uptempo short passing attack to move the chains, but only a couple deep throws per game. The D now keeps everything in front and forces us to play mistake free football. We cant, and dont.

when you complete three passes and you don't get a first down....

on a long pass down field

The problem is, with that OL, every game is like the last scene of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

Remember Shurmur wanted Eli at 70%? This offense depends on a top running back and check downs to draw in the D. Minny did this a lot last year. Of course their OL blocked a lot better.

and he's hearing footsteps. He used to be adept at movement in the pocket to avoid the rush. Not anymore. And while this line may gel into something better than last year, Eli's survival instinct is tuned to shit lines and avoiding big contact.

THis screams OL OL OL!!!



In comment 14083677 AJ23 said:

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But IMO, it's part of the reason for his demise. Immediately after the 27 INT 2013 season, he became gunshy. This data from Pro Football Reference, beginning in '06 when they started classifying passes as short/middle/deep: Deep passes thrown by Eli Manning (by year) 2006 - 74 2007 - 89 2008 - 90 2009 - 93 2010 - 99 2011 - 103 2012 - 79 2013 - 86 2014 – 70 2015 – 56 2016 – 59 2017 – 56

In comment 14083612 JonC said:

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to allow the time for receivers to get open, and for Eli to be the gunslinger. All the short routes and check downs are a result of it. As soon as Eli detects pressure, his eyes are dropping to see where the rush is coming to truck him, rather than looking downfield for receivers.

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In comment 14083917 David B. said:

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The problem is, with that OL, every game is like the last scene of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.

or The Alamo

In deep pass percentage at 16%. 25th in accuracy at 30.8%.

Even with the state of the oline he’s in the top third of the league in deep pass attempts.

and our sorry excuse of an OL certainly says a lot about him playing smart. But I am getting tired of the constant checkdowns and throwing short. We haven’t been competitive on offense for a long time.

But if you don't have time for a WR to actually run
a deep route he is forced to check down .
Seems like our defense is vulnerable in the middle of the field but we can't seem to get open in that area .
They handled OBJ quite easily he was a non factor .
Shepard ? Engram and Latimer were nowhere to be found .