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The way things are unfolding, never too early to talk DRAFT

M.S. : 9/18/2018 1:45 pm
An O-line that can't block; a front 7 that can't rush the passer, and what do you have?

A 2019 CBS Sports Mock Draft that has the Giants picking first.

We lose in Houston this Sunday, and the first selection is very much in this team's reach.

I only wish they were reaching with a brand new ownership team.

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I'm more interested in who is available  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/18/2018 1:48 pm : link
for the Oline via FA then the draft.
The analysis  
Josh in the City : 9/18/2018 1:52 pm : link
is dead on.
Can  
AcidTest : 9/18/2018 1:52 pm : link
you imagine the epic meltdown on BBI if we have the #1 pick and pass on the #1 rated QB?
Wish for a brand  
section125 : 9/18/2018 1:54 pm : link
new ownership team?

ok, then!
RE: Can  
section125 : 9/18/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14083702 AcidTest said:
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you imagine the epic meltdown on BBI if we have the #1 pick and pass on the #1 rated QB?


Who may very well have a 2nd round grade....that would even be better.
Even in that is the case  
MotownGIANTS : 9/18/2018 1:56 pm : link
we trade down from 1 ... as the other tradeable teams already have a QB.
They ain't  
Reb8thVA : 9/18/2018 2:01 pm : link
going to take Locke.
Wow ....  
Beer Man : 9/18/2018 2:01 pm : link
Already being slated for the first pick in the draft.
RE: I'm more interested in who is available  
Diver_Down : 9/18/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 14083693 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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for the Oline via FA then the draft.


You can sort by position and Spotrac also has a column for their current annual value. The list is extensive as it includes not just UFA, but also RFA and ERFA. While it is early, you can look around but of course some of the players will potentially be signed by their own team before FA.
Spotrac Offensive Line FA for 2019 - ( New Window )
RE: Wow ....  
M.S. : 9/18/2018 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14083724 Beer Man said:
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Already being slated for the first pick in the draft.

Well, the Giants suck, and everyone knows it. This team is dancing on a razor's edge right now. There is a lot wrong with this team and the talent at the LOS just isn't there to make any serious mid-course correction.

I know it when I see it... this is what the dark years of 1964 - 1981 looked like.
It's still early  
JonC : 9/18/2018 2:08 pm : link
but the 2019 QB prospects look lower than 2018 ...
Trade down with the AZ Cards  
allstarjim : 9/18/2018 2:10 pm : link
Who are infatuated with Greg Little and need a blind side protector for their franchise QB in Rosen.

Giants pick up the #4 pick in the draft, a 2nd rounder, and a 4th rounder, and a 2020 3rd rounder.

Giants still get their choice at QB, come back in the 2nd and take an OT and a pass rusher, and use the 3rd round to get the top C available. Then with their 2 4th rounders get the best FS available and a ILB for competition.



RE: It's still early  
allstarjim : 9/18/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 14083738 JonC said:
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but the 2019 QB prospects look lower than 2018 ...


We only need 1...the right one.
RE: They ain't  
allstarjim : 9/18/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 14083723 Reb8thVA said:
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going to take Locke.


No, but they may take Lock.
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JonC : 9/18/2018 2:13 pm : link
Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.
Passing on  
HoodieGelo : 9/18/2018 2:15 pm : link
Bosa and Oliver to stretch on a Qb. Nice.
RE: .  
Go Terps : 9/18/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14083753 JonC said:
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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.


And that is what is infuriating. Even in the best case scenarios for this season, Eli is 38 at the end of it.

In 32 years I have never been more worried about the future of the team.
I hate to say it but we might have already drafted the QB  
larryflower37 : 9/18/2018 2:16 pm : link
for the system, the Giants want to run.
This is no longer a vertical system and Manning is not a west coast QB.
RE: They ain't  
jeff57 : 9/18/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 14083723 Reb8thVA said:
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going to take Locke.


Probably not, since John isn't in the draft.
As to QBs  
jeff57 : 9/18/2018 2:19 pm : link
Right now looks like Herbert and Lock as the top 2.
Holy shit  
B in ALB : 9/18/2018 2:19 pm : link
A thread with no ellipses. Well done!
RE: I'm more interested in who is available  
Capt. Don : 9/18/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 14083693 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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for the Oline via FA then the draft.


Ali Marpet - C (Age 26)
AJ Cann - RG (Age 27)
Bobbie Massie - RT (Age 30)
Here is another of today's articles  
Beer Man : 9/18/2018 2:23 pm : link
Providing a summary of the top QBs to be entering the 2019 NFL draft.
SNY - ( New Window )
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allstarjim : 9/18/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14083753 JonC said:
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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.


Even Darnold wasn't a Darnold-type prospect in January of this year.

It's so premature to label any of these guys as not top of draft caliber talents. CBS Sports has Finley at #10 overall right now and Lock at #17 on their Big Board. Last year they had Baker Mayfield at 34 and QB#5.

And then there was this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-top-150-overall-plus-breaking-down-first-round-locks/
RE: Passing on  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/18/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14083757 HoodieGelo said:
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Bosa and Oliver to stretch on a Qb. Nice.


BPA blowhards yesssssssssss.
RE: RE: I'm more interested in who is available  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 9/18/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14083775 Capt. Don said:
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In comment 14083693 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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for the Oline via FA then the draft.



Ali Marpet - C (Age 26)
AJ Cann - RG (Age 27)
Bobbie Massie - RT (Age 30)


How do we sign them AND Collins?
RE: RE: RE: I'm more interested in who is available  
Beer Man : 9/18/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14083789 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14083775 Capt. Don said:


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In comment 14083693 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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for the Oline via FA then the draft.



Ali Marpet - C (Age 26)
AJ Cann - RG (Age 27)
Bobbie Massie - RT (Age 30)



How do we sign them AND Collins?
Not without getting relief on Eli's contract
Mike Mayock's top 100 right before the draft  
allstarjim : 9/18/2018 2:31 pm : link
had Sam Darnold as the 7th best prospect, Josh Allen at #9, Josh Rosen at #21, Baker Mayfield at #22, and Lamar Jackson at #23.

If Lock or Finley, etc are considered top 10 picks, it's not going to matter if you take them #1 or #8. FFS we don't even know where we're going to be picking yet.
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JonC : 9/18/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14083785 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14083753 JonC said:


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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.



Even Darnold wasn't a Darnold-type prospect in January of this year.

It's so premature to label any of these guys as not top of draft caliber talents. CBS Sports has Finley at #10 overall right now and Lock at #17 on their Big Board. Last year they had Baker Mayfield at 34 and QB#5.

And then there was this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-
prospect-rankings-top-150-overall-plus-breaking-down-first-round-locks/


I was clear it's early.
RE: Holy shit  
M.S. : 9/18/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 14083770 B in ALB said:
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A thread with no ellipses. Well done!

No ellipses? That was probably an oversight on my part. (:-)
For those who want to talk draft after  
lester : 9/18/2018 2:34 pm : link
two games....please stop watching. I bet you your BBI posts will change once a win happens. Unreal.
RE: RE: RE: I'm more interested in who is available  
Beer Man : 9/18/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14083789 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14083775 Capt. Don said:


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In comment 14083693 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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for the Oline via FA then the draft.



Ali Marpet - C (Age 26)
AJ Cann - RG (Age 27)
Bobbie Massie - RT (Age 30)



How do we sign them AND Collins?
Plus, at the moment the Giants are projected to have just over $20M in cap space for 2019.
RE: For those who want to talk draft after  
M.S. : 9/18/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14083806 lester said:
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two games....please stop watching. I bet you your BBI posts will change once a win happens. Unreal.


Lester... trying to generate a little diversion after the first two games. I am more than looking forward to changing my posts after the Giants start winning. I've been a fan for over 50 years and I root for them through thick and thin. But I'm also a realist, and I NO LIKE what I'm seeing at the LOS... both sides of the ball. But here's to a victory down in Houston... GO GIANTS!
RE: RE: RE: I'm more interested in who is available  
Diver_Down : 9/18/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14083789 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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In comment 14083775 Capt. Don said:


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In comment 14083693 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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for the Oline via FA then the draft.



Ali Marpet - C (Age 26)
AJ Cann - RG (Age 27)
Bobbie Massie - RT (Age 30)



How do we sign them AND Collins?


Collins is no sure thing unless he keeps his mouth shut and let his play speak for himself. So far, he has been the opposite.
Paying Collins would be a mistake  
Go Terps : 9/18/2018 2:43 pm : link
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RE: Can  
jcn56 : 9/18/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 14083702 AcidTest said:
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you imagine the epic meltdown on BBI if we have the #1 pick and pass on the #1 rated QB?


This year's meltdown already had the expectation that next year's QB class was going to be poor built into it. So long as they don't do something crazy (like take the top rated WR) it's hard to imagine people will be that angry.
RE: RE: RE: .  
allstarjim : 9/18/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14083798 JonC said:
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In comment 14083753 JonC said:


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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.



Even Darnold wasn't a Darnold-type prospect in January of this year.

It's so premature to label any of these guys as not top of draft caliber talents. CBS Sports has Finley at #10 overall right now and Lock at #17 on their Big Board. Last year they had Baker Mayfield at 34 and QB#5.

And then there was this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-
prospect-rankings-top-150-overall-plus-breaking-down-first-round-locks/



I was clear it's early.


I apologize, Jon.
no need, jim  
JonC : 9/18/2018 2:52 pm : link
stay the course.
RE: It's still early  
AcidTest : 9/18/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14083738 JonC said:
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but the 2019 QB prospects look lower than 2018 ...


And the Giants apparently were not in love with any of the QBs from this draft.
RE: .  
barens : 9/18/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14083753 JonC said:
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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.


Grier, and for some reason, not many scouts are elevating Kyler Murray or Dwayne Haskins. Those two are big time wildcards. Murray, who is supposed to go right into pro baseball after this season, I wonder if he changes his tune if he's talked about as a top prospect. That guy is like a faster Russell Wilson.

But when all is said and done, I don't think Lock and Herbert are going to be first round picks.
RE: RE: .  
JonC : 9/18/2018 3:46 pm : link
In comment 14083945 barens said:
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In comment 14083753 JonC said:


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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.



Grier, and for some reason, not many scouts are elevating Kyler Murray or Dwayne Haskins. Those two are big time wildcards. Murray, who is supposed to go right into pro baseball after this season, I wonder if he changes his tune if he's talked about as a top prospect. That guy is like a faster Russell Wilson.

But when all is said and done, I don't think Lock and Herbert are going to be first round picks.


I think it's lack of sample size with Murray and Haskins, at this point, they're green. Really like Herbert but he's a year behind now after the knee. They're green prospects. I'm wary of the one-read passers like Lock. To me, there's no top 10 QB so far.
Haskins stepped in last year against Michigan,  
barens : 9/18/2018 3:51 pm : link
one of the best defenses in college football, and they couldn't stop him. It's still a small sample size, but there are going to be plenty more big games for him to prove his merit.

Same goes for Murray.

Either way, call me crazy, but pending on where they are drafting next year, I'd be most happy with an offensive lineman.
It's a good start  
JonC : 9/18/2018 3:54 pm : link
but Haskins reminds me of Cardale Young, there's a long way to go and I'm not sure he gets there.

Looks like some choice DL rising to the top so far.
RE: Paying Collins would be a mistake  
hitdog42 : 9/18/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14083835 Go Terps said:
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agree
unless he REALLY turns it around- cause right now he is a slightly above average player
Right now, I'm all in on "NO QB" next draft  
The_Boss : 9/18/2018 4:15 pm : link
Assuming this thing train wrecks and the NYG are inside the top 5 (again), I'll be quite content with Bosa, Oliver, the best Clemson DL (could be 2-3 guys), or Greg Little.

Ideally, if someone wanted to move up, I'd absolutely trade down and try and net a 2020 first rounder in the event the NYG need ammo to try and move up to secure a potential franchise QB (Jake Fromm, perhaps).

Still WAY too early to speculate today. There are plenty of games to lose between now and week 17.
It's Deja Vu all over again.......  
TheMick7 : 9/18/2018 4:16 pm : link
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RE: It's still early  
jerseygiant : 9/18/2018 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14083738 JonC said:
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but the 2019 QB prospects look lower than 2018 ...


The 2017 draft was supposed to stink to, and that produced Mahomes and Watson, who look to be STARS.

I am really interested in somehow landing Tyree Jackson, QB Buffalo, who I am sure will be talked about as a first round pick by next spring. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKxNAyvQEvg
Sorry  
jerseygiant : 9/18/2018 4:18 pm : link
Getting used to this
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: .  
cokeduplt : 9/18/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14083945 barens said:
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In comment 14083753 JonC said:


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Interested to see if Grier can climb, but there's no sign of a Darnold-type prospect next year just yet.



Grier, and for some reason, not many scouts are elevating Kyler Murray or Dwayne Haskins. Those two are big time wildcards. Murray, who is supposed to go right into pro baseball after this season, I wonder if he changes his tune if he's talked about as a top prospect. That guy is like a faster Russell Wilson.

But when all is said and done, I don't think Lock and Herbert are going to be first round picks.



I like kyler Murray but isn’t he like 5’10” 190lbs?
This draft has very very strong OL talent at T  
DavidinBMNY : 9/18/2018 4:55 pm : link
I wouldn't be surprised if 3 of top 10 picks are OL in this draft.

Regardless after years of not investing well in the OL we have to continue to put high draft capital towards the OL.
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