He's live right now with Francesa and so many non-answers and this is very awkward, can't really transcribe right now but it's reminding me a little of McAdoo interviews last season.....not a good feeling
I was the first guy to call him milquetoast when we hired him, but what do you expect him to say? He's a former offensive lineman. He knows what the problem is. There is no magic bullet to fix it. The players we have aren't very good up front.
But the problem is that one of those guys was brought in by this regime to play LT at a high price, a 2nd-round pick was used on a LG, and another contract was given to a new RG.
So they can't really be crestfallen about how the players up front aren't very good. It's their players.
want him to say? Do you want him to throw people under the bus? Can just see it - Well Omameh and Flowers can't block and pick up stunts...Solder is an over paid average LT...Eli is shell shocked, cant throw an accurate short pass...Ogletree can't cover RBs and slot receivers....???
Is that what you want?
The fascination with driving a coach into the ground after two games is pathetic. Two weeks ago, he was refreshing and open; now he is at a loss for words, or incompetent.
I don't think he had to go that route - but he was so vanilla, he basically limited himself to 'we need to get better'.
There's a lot of ground in between 'couldn't do anything because my linemen are garbage' and 'we just need to execute better'. Shit, he could have fallen on the sword himself and blamed himself and come up with a couple of things he would do differently if he wanted to deflect.
What is in between the line is garbage and we needed to execute better? What would any credible coach say?..what would you deem acceptable that you could not see through? If all you are asking him to do is find a different way to say they need to do more, than that is being obstinate.
He can't throw players under the bus, even though they should be..
He can't deflect criticism because it is boring listening.
So people cannot be satisfied, nor do they want to be satisfied, they just want to complain, stamp their feet and pout.
Yeah NY reporters will
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Call him out on his evasive answers and flat out lies like his answer to the third down throws short of the sticks yesterday.
I guess you ignored his press conference yesterday. I don’t know why you have so much anger to fans who are frustrated with the state of the team
Who brought in the players? Gettleman or Shurmur? Or both?
Plus, I tried to tell you guys when they signed Solder that he wasn't worth the contract. I got slammed for saying that.
Omameh was cut by the Jaguars for a reason.
We know Flowers sucks.
This was/is a team with a finite set of draft picks and not much cap space combined with the fact that good OLs rarely hit free agency anymore.
If you can't draft OL's, you're screwed. And we blew THREE high picks on offensive linemen who are either not here anymore (Pugh, Richburg) or suck (Flowers).
Shurmur may be fired by the end of the year. Maybe Gettleman will too. But these guys are still hamstrung by the atrocious decisions of the previous regime. (which at one point still included Coughlin).
FWIW, I don't really care about coach or player interviews much - but I do think the media can start to really wear on a coach once they all start to circle the wagons, which they are going to be doing in droves if this team loses again Sunday.
At least for McAdoo, we actually got off to a good start when he took over. We won in Dallas, we beat New Orleans and then we lost a tough one to Washington at home but were a drive away from winning at the end.
So, Ben at least bought himself a little time out of the gates.
Coming off one of the most disastrous years in franchise history and then having the new coach start like this can get really ugly really quickly.
I actually feel bad for Shurmur because it's really not his fault. But he's going to have to deal with this until it turns around or he gets fired. It's a tough job.
1. Shurmur felt we were in the game Sunday night. What? we were shut out in the first half and the only real yardage we gained was when the game was already decided.
2. To the Parcells comment above: Parcells would throw a particular player under the bus if he felt it would motivate him to play better. Stop treating these guys like children; they are grown men. Toughen up to the criticism if it is deserved.
And it's game 2 and he's on the road against an opponent that is most likely going to eviscerate his OL. He is embarrassed and should be, he is getting his ass handed to him as are most of his players.
I came here to change this, Im upset it hasnt yet. I will hold people accountable and responsible. Guys will get a chance to improve and if they dont there will be changes.
This sounds like denial. We moved the ball well????
And his answer yesterday where he questioned that we didnt throw the ball yesterday past the first down marker? That was scary. Not a single pass beyond the sticks Then he defended it by saying we threw it short of the sticks but we had a guy there to catch it so it didnt count. Yikes.
I was a supporter of the Shurmur hire as he was the best of the available bunch. So far he is instilling zero confidence.
If Nate Solder was even average I'd be saying "well, we overpaid but we needed a left tackle..."
He shouldn't be this bad. Both of the linemen we signed have been awful. The way these linemen are struggling to even pick up simple twists is baffling and super, super alarming.
The answer is they don't have the talent to win with on the OL. They knew it when they took the job. What answer did you want him to give? Rip the players? So he can lose the locker room for 14 weeks?
I came here to change this, Im upset it hasnt yet. I will hold people accountable and responsible. Guys will get a chance to improve and if they dont there will be changes.
This sounds like denial. We moved the ball well????
And his answer yesterday where he questioned that we didnt throw the ball yesterday past the first down marker? That was scary. Not a single pass beyond the sticks Then he defended it by saying we threw it short of the sticks but we had a guy there to catch it so it didnt count. Yikes.
I was a supporter of the Shurmur hire as he was the best of the available bunch. So far he is instilling zero confidence.
I think fans are just wanting the coach to sound like he knows what it'll take to fix the problem.
Shurmur knows the problem is mostly the piss poor OL... again. And there's nothing he can do about it. So, he can't give that to us. Thus... you get these types of non-answers.
I really didn't want to deal with this again in 2018. It's getting exhausting. But this is Giants football now, baby.
1. Shurmur felt we were in the game Sunday night. What? we were shut out in the first half and the only real yardage we gained was when the game was already decided.
2. To the Parcells comment above: Parcells would throw a particular player under the bus if he felt it would motivate him to play better. Stop treating these guys like children; they are grown men. Toughen up to the criticism if it is deserved.
They were out gained by a few yards, held time of position and lost by 7. They were in the game. The game is 60 minutes long. The first two minutes is as important as the last two minutes (ask jack rabbit). Funny how after all the sacks and negative yards, they were still in the game?
1. Shurmur felt we were in the game Sunday night. What? we were shut out in the first half and the only real yardage we gained was when the game was already decided.
2. To the Parcells comment above: Parcells would throw a particular player under the bus if he felt it would motivate him to play better. Stop treating these guys like children; they are grown men. Toughen up to the criticism if it is deserved.
Parcells is gone. Not one coach in the league does things like Parcells. When does Belichick ever publicly embarrass his players? That should be your standard, not a coach from an era that no longer exists.
Lets not rewrite history. I love the guy and he's one of the greats, but he did a lot wrong that first season, starting with naming Brunner as starter over Simms, and it showed in their 3-12-1 record. I remember he said that first year he made the mistake of trying too hard to be "liked" by the players and the next season he determined that was a mistake and took an entire different tact.
They were out gained by a few yards, held time of position and lost by 7.
That late score is lipstick on a pig. Dallas dictated the entire game to the Giants and allowed them to do nothing on offense. If Dallas' offense was better it would have been and even more embarrassing blowout.
Giants offense averaged 3.8 yards PER PLAY. Dallas averaged 6.0.
shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If this team finishes 1-15 I can see Shurmur getting fired. Gettelman's going to get at least 2 or 3 years.
I totally disagree. At some point they will realize that they need an actual regime change. The "change" to Gettleman was anything but that.
So you apparently believe DG is just a puppet and John Mara is making the personnel decisions? Do you think both DG and Shurmur would have accepted the positions under the mandate from the owner that Eli must remain the starter and they could not draft a QB even if after their evaluations they believed that they should?
Mara may have let his emotions get the best of him and unwisley injected himself on occasions (Jerrel Jernigan comments as an example). but to believe this nonsense would make him worse than Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder combined. It just goes against years of evidence of how he has handled himself, and how this organization is run.
with Fatboy. Clearly, PS didn't want to be there and has more pressing issues to deal with. I'd be more concerned with the players' ability to block, tackle, cover and make plays. Along with being concerned about the position coaches making sure their units are prepared. Seems to me this interview pales in comparison to the OL looking like it was woefully out of its depth and completely unprepared for Dallas. That falls on both the players and coaches - this interview is puto compared to that. Once again, we see certain posters focusing on all the wrong shit.
want him to say? Do you want him to throw people under the bus? Can just see it - Well Omameh and Flowers can't block and pick up stunts...Solder is an over paid average LT...Eli is shell shocked, cant throw an accurate short pass...Ogletree can't cover RBs and slot receivers....???
Is that what you want?
The fascination with driving a coach into the ground after two games is pathetic. Two weeks ago, he was refreshing and open; now he is at a loss for words, or incompetent.
I don't think he had to go that route - but he was so vanilla, he basically limited himself to 'we need to get better'.
There's a lot of ground in between 'couldn't do anything because my linemen are garbage' and 'we just need to execute better'. Shit, he could have fallen on the sword himself and blamed himself and come up with a couple of things he would do differently if he wanted to deflect.
What is in between the line is garbage and we needed to execute better? What would any credible coach say?..what would you deem acceptable that you could not see through? If all you are asking him to do is find a different way to say they need to do more, than that is being obstinate.
He can't throw players under the bus, even though they should be..
He can't deflect criticism because it is boring listening.
So people cannot be satisfied, nor do they want to be satisfied, they just want to complain, stamp their feet and pout.
You really can't see that there were better ways Shurmur could have addressed those questions?
He absolutely didn't have to throw anyone under the bus. But when pressed about the bad OL play, Shurmur said that everyone had their hands in the loss. The OL was obviously a major reason we lost - he should have spun out some coachspeak about how these guys need more time together, that they're working to improve and that they know that games like Sunday night's aren't acceptable.
When he's asked about them not being able to move the ball - what, exactly did saying 'I thought we moved the ball well' serve? Does he even believe that?
I said this with McAdoo and I'll say it again: the Giants PR department needs to ensure their coaching staffs are prepared for these interviews. McAdoo needed the help and never got it - and in hindsight, Mara said that was a mistake. It's early, but Shurmur also looks like he might struggle with the NY media. It's part of their job, whether you guys like it or believe it or not, and if ends up turning into a circus it can hurt the team.
I don't think much of it, though, since so far PS' conference calls have been pretty informative.
and here's my take, and I'm sure someone or many will slam me for it:
1) Mike was doing his job by asking the questions that needed to be asked.
2) Shurmur was doing HIS job by answering the questions in the manner that he did. He was avoiding any extraneous BS and wasn't trying to make a headline.
IMO this approach, by Shurmur, will grow old very quickly if this team starts 0-4. But if they win Sunday, and they certainly can win on Sunday, (judging by the nature of the NFL and how things change so dramatically week to week in terms of injuries, momentum, and teams simply clicking) this whole media situation and perception of the team will change for the better.
Look I get the panic and the utter terror that is going around in here, on social media, and in the regular media, but people have to let this thing play out and literally let this team become a team. For all intents and purposes, and Boomer Esiason said this Monday morning, this offense is basically going into it's third preseason game Sunday - let's assess them then, after week 3!
Even Carl Banks said it, give them 4 games then assess!
I think we can win Sunday. Spread them out, don't ALLOW THEM to blitz, or go max protect, and give it hell. And for god's sake, on defense, if they run the read option - HIT THE DAMN QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As someone mentioned earlier, Andy Reid gave this type of interview week after week. Boring, bland, non-answers, and never throwing people under the bus. I'm a little outside of Philadelphia so every week I got to hear similar responses from the fans as I read here. Interviews with the media mean nothing
Who brought in the players? Gettleman or Shurmur? Or both?
Plus, I tried to tell you guys when they signed Solder that he wasn't worth the contract. I got slammed for saying that.
Omameh was cut by the Jaguars for a reason.
We know Flowers sucks.
This was/is a team with a finite set of draft picks and not much cap space combined with the fact that good OLs rarely hit free agency anymore.
If you can't draft OL's, you're screwed. And we blew THREE high picks on offensive linemen who are either not here anymore (Pugh, Richburg) or suck (Flowers).
Shurmur may be fired by the end of the year. Maybe Gettleman will too. But these guys are still hamstrung by the atrocious decisions of the previous regime. (which at one point still included Coughlin).
1-- Why go after Solder if we all knew the OL is was so bad?
2-- WHy bring back Eli?
3-- If we all felt we were in rebuild why not act like like it instead fo signing some of the older players
1-- Why go after Solder if we all knew the OL is was so bad?
2-- WHy bring back Eli?
3-- If we all felt we were in rebuild why not act like like it instead fo signing some of the older players
I'm not Eric, but...
1. IMV, when they missed on Norwell, Solder was the next option option in terms of available oline skill.
2. 100% Mara's wishes.
3. A true rebuild, which I think was the better option, would have been the end of Eli. And Mara was not ready for that. So they stitched together some off-season moves in the free agency period, went against conventional wisdom and took a RB over a future QB prospect, and then backed up the Brinks Truck for OBJ. All with this hope - cross your fingers and hope to catch lightening in a bottle on more time with Eli.
shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If the Giants go 2-14, I don't think anyone is safe.
We're in danger of entering the 1970s again if we don't win a game soon.
As others have said we're in Cleveland Brown territory. Legitimately. We all need to realize that not only are we one of the worst teams in the league, we've BEEN one of the worst teams in the league...for YEARS. This is reality. This organization is broken.
I love Eli. But I have repeatedly said hooking your horse to a 37-year old declining QB who is showing signs of being shell-shocked may not be an ideal thing for a rebuilding ball club.
It's why I said since January 2018 that the club needed to draft a QB at #2 if they felt there was a true franchise QB in the draft.
Whether any of the guys drafted after Barkley end up being studs is something we will all be watching. If they are "just guys", then the Giants probably made the right decision. But if someone like Darnold has a 15-year career with 3-4-5 Pro Bowls, then we may have screwed up.
I came here to change this, Im upset it hasnt yet. I will hold people accountable and responsible. Guys will get a chance to improve and if they dont there will be changes.
This sounds like denial. We moved the ball well????
And his answer yesterday where he questioned that we didnt throw the ball yesterday past the first down marker? That was scary. Not a single pass beyond the sticks Then he defended it by saying we threw it short of the sticks but we had a guy there to catch it so it didnt count. Yikes.
I was a supporter of the Shurmur hire as he was the best of the available bunch. So far he is instilling zero confidence.
What changes? Chad Wheeler? Evan Brown? Pulley?
The cupboard is EMPTY.
I know a thing or two about management. You always must maintain the air of accountability and responsibility. And what is to be gained by playing someone who cant get the job done? People have to EARN their spots and when thats lost, everything is lost. If someone isnt doing their job, they must get benched. You might be surprised how that person responds to accountability. Sometimes it is what motivates them. You cant go around saying everyone is guaranteed their spots because we have no one else. That is a guaranteed losing culture.
Again, Im not calling for the HC to bench a single player. Im saying he must leave open the possibility if this play continues.
But the problem is that one of those guys was brought in by this regime to play LT at a high price, a 2nd-round pick was used on a LG, and another contract was given to a new RG.
So they can't really be crestfallen about how the players up front aren't very good. It's their players.
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want him to say? Do you want him to throw people under the bus? Can just see it - Well Omameh and Flowers can't block and pick up stunts...Solder is an over paid average LT...Eli is shell shocked, cant throw an accurate short pass...Ogletree can't cover RBs and slot receivers....???
Is that what you want?
The fascination with driving a coach into the ground after two games is pathetic. Two weeks ago, he was refreshing and open; now he is at a loss for words, or incompetent.
I don't think he had to go that route - but he was so vanilla, he basically limited himself to 'we need to get better'.
There's a lot of ground in between 'couldn't do anything because my linemen are garbage' and 'we just need to execute better'. Shit, he could have fallen on the sword himself and blamed himself and come up with a couple of things he would do differently if he wanted to deflect.
What is in between the line is garbage and we needed to execute better? What would any credible coach say?..what would you deem acceptable that you could not see through? If all you are asking him to do is find a different way to say they need to do more, than that is being obstinate.
He can't throw players under the bus, even though they should be..
He can't deflect criticism because it is boring listening.
So people cannot be satisfied, nor do they want to be satisfied, they just want to complain, stamp their feet and pout.
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How close would you say it was to...say...Bob Costas interviewing Jerry Sandusky?
It sounded more like Brett Kavanaugh trying to answer questions about his views on abortion.
Holy crap. It was that bad? We’re effed.
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Call him out on his evasive answers and flat out lies like his answer to the third down throws short of the sticks yesterday.
Plus, I tried to tell you guys when they signed Solder that he wasn't worth the contract. I got slammed for saying that.
Omameh was cut by the Jaguars for a reason.
We know Flowers sucks.
This was/is a team with a finite set of draft picks and not much cap space combined with the fact that good OLs rarely hit free agency anymore.
If you can't draft OL's, you're screwed. And we blew THREE high picks on offensive linemen who are either not here anymore (Pugh, Richburg) or suck (Flowers).
Shurmur may be fired by the end of the year. Maybe Gettleman will too. But these guys are still hamstrung by the atrocious decisions of the previous regime. (which at one point still included Coughlin).
At least for McAdoo, we actually got off to a good start when he took over. We won in Dallas, we beat New Orleans and then we lost a tough one to Washington at home but were a drive away from winning at the end.
So, Ben at least bought himself a little time out of the gates.
Coming off one of the most disastrous years in franchise history and then having the new coach start like this can get really ugly really quickly.
I actually feel bad for Shurmur because it's really not his fault. But he's going to have to deal with this until it turns around or he gets fired. It's a tough job.
1. Shurmur felt we were in the game Sunday night. What? we were shut out in the first half and the only real yardage we gained was when the game was already decided.
2. To the Parcells comment above: Parcells would throw a particular player under the bus if he felt it would motivate him to play better. Stop treating these guys like children; they are grown men. Toughen up to the criticism if it is deserved.
This sounds like denial. We moved the ball well????
And his answer yesterday where he questioned that we didnt throw the ball yesterday past the first down marker? That was scary. Not a single pass beyond the sticks Then he defended it by saying we threw it short of the sticks but we had a guy there to catch it so it didnt count. Yikes.
I was a supporter of the Shurmur hire as he was the best of the available bunch. So far he is instilling zero confidence.
He shouldn't be this bad. Both of the linemen we signed have been awful. The way these linemen are struggling to even pick up simple twists is baffling and super, super alarming.
It would take 0-16 for them to be fired after one year.
Looking at that schedule, though ...
This sounds like denial. We moved the ball well????
And his answer yesterday where he questioned that we didnt throw the ball yesterday past the first down marker? That was scary. Not a single pass beyond the sticks Then he defended it by saying we threw it short of the sticks but we had a guy there to catch it so it didnt count. Yikes.
I was a supporter of the Shurmur hire as he was the best of the available bunch. So far he is instilling zero confidence.
What changes? Chad Wheeler? Evan Brown? Pulley?
The cupboard is EMPTY.
Shurmur knows the problem is mostly the piss poor OL... again. And there's nothing he can do about it. So, he can't give that to us. Thus... you get these types of non-answers.
I really didn't want to deal with this again in 2018. It's getting exhausting. But this is Giants football now, baby.
If the Giants go 2-14, I don't think anyone is safe.
We're in danger of entering the 1970s again if we don't win a game soon.
1. Shurmur felt we were in the game Sunday night. What? we were shut out in the first half and the only real yardage we gained was when the game was already decided.
2. To the Parcells comment above: Parcells would throw a particular player under the bus if he felt it would motivate him to play better. Stop treating these guys like children; they are grown men. Toughen up to the criticism if it is deserved.
They were out gained by a few yards, held time of position and lost by 7. They were in the game. The game is 60 minutes long. The first two minutes is as important as the last two minutes (ask jack rabbit). Funny how after all the sacks and negative yards, they were still in the game?
There was only one Bill Parcells.
1. Shurmur felt we were in the game Sunday night. What? we were shut out in the first half and the only real yardage we gained was when the game was already decided.
2. To the Parcells comment above: Parcells would throw a particular player under the bus if he felt it would motivate him to play better. Stop treating these guys like children; they are grown men. Toughen up to the criticism if it is deserved.
Parcells is gone. Not one coach in the league does things like Parcells. When does Belichick ever publicly embarrass his players? That should be your standard, not a coach from an era that no longer exists.
They were out gained by a few yards, held time of position and lost by 7.
That late score is lipstick on a pig. Dallas dictated the entire game to the Giants and allowed them to do nothing on offense. If Dallas' offense was better it would have been and even more embarrassing blowout.
Giants offense averaged 3.8 yards PER PLAY. Dallas averaged 6.0.
If this team finishes 1-15 I can see Shurmur getting fired. Gettelman's going to get at least 2 or 3 years.
Everyone needs to calm down.
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shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If this team finishes 1-15 I can see Shurmur getting fired. Gettelman's going to get at least 2 or 3 years.
I totally disagree. At some point they will realize that they need an actual regime change. The "change" to Gettleman was anything but that.
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shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If this team finishes 1-15 I can see Shurmur getting fired. Gettelman's going to get at least 2 or 3 years.
I totally disagree. At some point they will realize that they need an actual regime change. The "change" to Gettleman was anything but that.
"Regime change" has become code for fans who want new owners. Anyone Mara picks is going to be the same "regime" to you.
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shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If this team finishes 1-15 I can see Shurmur getting fired. Gettelman's going to get at least 2 or 3 years.
I totally disagree. At some point they will realize that they need an actual regime change. The "change" to Gettleman was anything but that.
So you apparently believe DG is just a puppet and John Mara is making the personnel decisions? Do you think both DG and Shurmur would have accepted the positions under the mandate from the owner that Eli must remain the starter and they could not draft a QB even if after their evaluations they believed that they should?
Mara may have let his emotions get the best of him and unwisley injected himself on occasions (Jerrel Jernigan comments as an example). but to believe this nonsense would make him worse than Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder combined. It just goes against years of evidence of how he has handled himself, and how this organization is run.
https://wfan.radio.com/articles/pat-shurmur-wfan-how-i-feel-doesnt-always-have-come-out - ( New Window )
I was impressed when he said that the team played awful but that the coaching staff knew what was wrong and that it would be corrected.
He guaranteed that there would be improvement and that players who did not proscribe to his expectations would be gone
There are times when coaches have to assign accountability
Just because he isn’t assigning accountability publicly doesn’t mean he isn’t privately. Why is that so hard to understand?
So it is frustration when you call posters the "Eli FanBoy Club"??
Sounds like anger to me.
Actually it sounds fucking moronic, but frustration - it is not.
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want him to say? Do you want him to throw people under the bus? Can just see it - Well Omameh and Flowers can't block and pick up stunts...Solder is an over paid average LT...Eli is shell shocked, cant throw an accurate short pass...Ogletree can't cover RBs and slot receivers....???
Is that what you want?
The fascination with driving a coach into the ground after two games is pathetic. Two weeks ago, he was refreshing and open; now he is at a loss for words, or incompetent.
I don't think he had to go that route - but he was so vanilla, he basically limited himself to 'we need to get better'.
There's a lot of ground in between 'couldn't do anything because my linemen are garbage' and 'we just need to execute better'. Shit, he could have fallen on the sword himself and blamed himself and come up with a couple of things he would do differently if he wanted to deflect.
What is in between the line is garbage and we needed to execute better? What would any credible coach say?..what would you deem acceptable that you could not see through? If all you are asking him to do is find a different way to say they need to do more, than that is being obstinate.
He can't throw players under the bus, even though they should be..
He can't deflect criticism because it is boring listening.
So people cannot be satisfied, nor do they want to be satisfied, they just want to complain, stamp their feet and pout.
You really can't see that there were better ways Shurmur could have addressed those questions?
He absolutely didn't have to throw anyone under the bus. But when pressed about the bad OL play, Shurmur said that everyone had their hands in the loss. The OL was obviously a major reason we lost - he should have spun out some coachspeak about how these guys need more time together, that they're working to improve and that they know that games like Sunday night's aren't acceptable.
When he's asked about them not being able to move the ball - what, exactly did saying 'I thought we moved the ball well' serve? Does he even believe that?
I said this with McAdoo and I'll say it again: the Giants PR department needs to ensure their coaching staffs are prepared for these interviews. McAdoo needed the help and never got it - and in hindsight, Mara said that was a mistake. It's early, but Shurmur also looks like he might struggle with the NY media. It's part of their job, whether you guys like it or believe it or not, and if ends up turning into a circus it can hurt the team.
I don't think much of it, though, since so far PS' conference calls have been pretty informative.
Parcells and Coughlin were masters at because they both knew how to make the reporters fear them.
How can it not be tiresome for us? I am glad everybody is preparing and competing, but once in a while please show the fuck up.
Shurmur has a ton of work to do, but I’m confident he knows what needs to be addressed without him telling me.
1) Mike was doing his job by asking the questions that needed to be asked.
2) Shurmur was doing HIS job by answering the questions in the manner that he did. He was avoiding any extraneous BS and wasn't trying to make a headline.
IMO this approach, by Shurmur, will grow old very quickly if this team starts 0-4. But if they win Sunday, and they certainly can win on Sunday, (judging by the nature of the NFL and how things change so dramatically week to week in terms of injuries, momentum, and teams simply clicking) this whole media situation and perception of the team will change for the better.
Look I get the panic and the utter terror that is going around in here, on social media, and in the regular media, but people have to let this thing play out and literally let this team become a team. For all intents and purposes, and Boomer Esiason said this Monday morning, this offense is basically going into it's third preseason game Sunday - let's assess them then, after week 3!
Even Carl Banks said it, give them 4 games then assess!
I think we can win Sunday. Spread them out, don't ALLOW THEM to blitz, or go max protect, and give it hell. And for god's sake, on defense, if they run the read option - HIT THE DAMN QUARTERBACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Plus, I tried to tell you guys when they signed Solder that he wasn't worth the contract. I got slammed for saying that.
Omameh was cut by the Jaguars for a reason.
We know Flowers sucks.
This was/is a team with a finite set of draft picks and not much cap space combined with the fact that good OLs rarely hit free agency anymore.
If you can't draft OL's, you're screwed. And we blew THREE high picks on offensive linemen who are either not here anymore (Pugh, Richburg) or suck (Flowers).
Shurmur may be fired by the end of the year. Maybe Gettleman will too. But these guys are still hamstrung by the atrocious decisions of the previous regime. (which at one point still included Coughlin).
1-- Why go after Solder if we all knew the OL is was so bad?
2-- WHy bring back Eli?
3-- If we all felt we were in rebuild why not act like like it instead fo signing some of the older players
1-- Why go after Solder if we all knew the OL is was so bad?
2-- WHy bring back Eli?
3-- If we all felt we were in rebuild why not act like like it instead fo signing some of the older players
I'm not Eric, but...
1. IMV, when they missed on Norwell, Solder was the next option option in terms of available oline skill.
2. 100% Mara's wishes.
3. A true rebuild, which I think was the better option, would have been the end of Eli. And Mara was not ready for that. So they stitched together some off-season moves in the free agency period, went against conventional wisdom and took a RB over a future QB prospect, and then backed up the Brinks Truck for OBJ. All with this hope - cross your fingers and hope to catch lightening in a bottle on more time with Eli.
They appear to be living in fantasy land.
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shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If the Giants go 2-14, I don't think anyone is safe.
We're in danger of entering the 1970s again if we don't win a game soon.
As others have said we're in Cleveland Brown territory. Legitimately. We all need to realize that not only are we one of the worst teams in the league, we've BEEN one of the worst teams in the league...for YEARS. This is reality. This organization is broken.
I love Eli. But I have repeatedly said hooking your horse to a 37-year old declining QB who is showing signs of being shell-shocked may not be an ideal thing for a rebuilding ball club.
It's why I said since January 2018 that the club needed to draft a QB at #2 if they felt there was a true franchise QB in the draft.
Whether any of the guys drafted after Barkley end up being studs is something we will all be watching. If they are "just guys", then the Giants probably made the right decision. But if someone like Darnold has a 15-year career with 3-4-5 Pro Bowls, then we may have screwed up.
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I came here to change this, Im upset it hasnt yet. I will hold people accountable and responsible. Guys will get a chance to improve and if they dont there will be changes.
This sounds like denial. We moved the ball well????
And his answer yesterday where he questioned that we didnt throw the ball yesterday past the first down marker? That was scary. Not a single pass beyond the sticks Then he defended it by saying we threw it short of the sticks but we had a guy there to catch it so it didnt count. Yikes.
I was a supporter of the Shurmur hire as he was the best of the available bunch. So far he is instilling zero confidence.
What changes? Chad Wheeler? Evan Brown? Pulley?
The cupboard is EMPTY.
I know a thing or two about management. You always must maintain the air of accountability and responsibility. And what is to be gained by playing someone who cant get the job done? People have to EARN their spots and when thats lost, everything is lost. If someone isnt doing their job, they must get benched. You might be surprised how that person responds to accountability. Sometimes it is what motivates them. You cant go around saying everyone is guaranteed their spots because we have no one else. That is a guaranteed losing culture.
Again, Im not calling for the HC to bench a single player. Im saying he must leave open the possibility if this play continues.