He's live right now with Francesa and so many non-answers and this is very awkward, can't really transcribe right now but it's reminding me a little of McAdoo interviews last season.....not a good feeling
Both men have jobs to do, and PS is in a no-win spot with no answers on or off the field. It's up to the players to get it moving, otherwise the season will be pain.
At least it delivers high draft picks and a catalyst for more changes next offseason.
I almost never listen to these - Shurmur didn't do a great job or anything, but it was obvious he was just dodging the issues and wasn't going to get into it and call players out.
But I think fans tend to put too much emphasis on the coaches and not enough emphasis on the actual talent. You need great talent in the NFL to win regardless of who your coaching staff is.
And Andy Reid never answered any questions, never called out his players, and always just said "We need to do a better job." It makes the media insane (who gives a shit) and the players loved him for it. This is an idiotic thing to get bent over...
And Andy Reid never answered any questions, never called out his players, and always just said "We need to do a better job." It makes the media insane (who gives a shit) and the players loved him for it. This is an idiotic thing to get bent over...
Agreed. The only people bent out of shape over this are Shurmur (though he should have known better than to take a weekly radio spot) and fans who allow football to emotionally impact their lives after Sunday nights.
Agreed. The only people bent out of shape over this are Shurmur (though he should have known better than to take a weekly radio spot) and fans who allow football to emotionally impact their lives after Sunday nights.
shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If the Giants go 2-14, I don't think anyone is safe.
We're in danger of entering the 1970s again if we don't win a game soon.
Sadly, we are there. 3-16 over the last 19. It is why the board is fighting. We all know it. Some of us want to remain positive. Some of us just want to defend Manning because of the SBs. Deep down all of us know. We are going to be bad for a while. By the time we are 0-7 or 1-6 the season will be a shitshow worse than last year. We could at least blame injuries last year.
Simple and not even really worth debate. Before I get to my point, I don’t put much stock into the interview, I don’t think Schurmur was a great hire but that’s for other reasons.
For those of us who are old enough to remember, the Giants of 1985-2011 were really one of the premier and well run organizations in all of professional sports. Save for a few years (between Simms and Collins), they were regularly in contention. They had owners that’s really seems to get it and let football men run the operation. They had multiple GMs who had their flaws but could, for the most part understood team building. They also seemed to understand where the team was in terms of competitiveness.
One of the watershed moments in this franchises history was the 2004 offseason. They were sitting with a qb in his early 30s who had been above average to good for the team, and had even led them to s super bowl. However, Accorsi understood where the team was that offseason. A team with a lot of holes that wasn’t going to be fixed in one season. He also understood the opportunity in front of him to grab a potentially franchise changing qb at the top of the draft. And for those of you who remember, if the Giants couldn’t get Eli, they were taking Ben. Sure, they could have stuck with Collins and drafted Gallery or whoever fit the bill, but they were likely looking at a number of mediocre seaons in the future. However, those offsraons decisions in terms of not only qb, but also head coach completely altered the future of the Franchise.
Since 2012, I believe this team has a record of something like 33-50. That’s rock bottom in the NFL. Rather than make wholesale changes, this team continues to take the band aid approach. Culminating in last seaons offseason decisions to go all in on a team coming off a 3-13 seaons, preceded by 4 of 5 years out of the playoff. Clearly the Giants didn’t and really couldn’t remake the entire roster in one or even two years. So I ask, what was the point of going all in on a 37 year old qb and selecting a position with an average productive shelf life of 5 seaons? Now I’m not suggesting that Eli is the entire problem or that Barkley isn’t a greys talent, but how could one not reasonably understand that these two players may not even be in uniform or productive once a rebuild occurs?
If a Gm and front office didn’t truly believe this was a one year turn around, how were these decisions allowed to happen? The Giants clearly do not have a present and may have greatly jeapordized their future. So what we are left with is a directionless franchise, the worst place to be in the NFL.
I remember at the end of the 2004 team, feeling as good about a 6-10 squad that I had ever felt. Seeing Eli lead that game winning drive against the Cowboys let most of us go into the offseason with something I can’t tbjnk even the most optimistic fan has right now, hope. See, we could tolerate a 6-10 seaons because the team was building for what would eventually become a very nice run from 2005-2012. Most of us probably could have tolerated a 5-11 seaon this year if we knew there was a hot shot potential franchise qb waiting in the wings. That the Giants were truly building toward another sustained run of greatness. Now, there is no hope, no direction, and no leadership. So tell me, at this point what is the difference between the Cleveland Browns and New York Giants?
First of all, Shurmer has next to no personality. Says as little as possible and the faceless expression never changes. That's why John Mara wanted him. Because he's just like him. Even if the Giants had won, his interview would have been a yawner. The fact that they lost and were mostly non-competitive apparently made it unbearable. He needs to start acting like a head coach and publicly, and professionally, hold people accountable for poor performances.
I was grateful that I was in a different time zone on Sunday and pretty much missed the first half. My sons, all current and former players, said they were putrid.
Long and short is we got what we got. There are no better players out there at this point (hard to believe). I don't think they'll go 3-13 but anyone thinking they'll win more than 6 or 7 games this year is nuts.
you make it sound like because you've posted the same thing over and over that it is true. But there's so much logic that it evades.
You basically have to unlearn history to believe that the Giants have mandated Eli will be the QB and that everyone has to fall in line with that thinking.
Gettleman was fired in Carolina for standing up to the owner regarding how he planned to look at options for a couple veteran players. Anyone who thinks he came to NY and was mandated to keep Eli is ignoring the history. Shurmur didn't even have ties to the team and all of a sudden he's labeled as a yes man?
Your whole premise is that Mara had egg on his face from last year and built an entire management team around keeping Eli, and have based all the decisions around that plan. It is fantastical horseshit.
None of it makes logical sense. Mara supposedly wanted Eli benched, now he mandates he starts. Gettleman gets fired for standing up to the owner but is a lackey and yes man. Shurmur is trying desperately to remove the stain of Cleveland, yet he signs up to be a puppet?
The mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories around not picking a QB are ludicrous at this point. No doubt you'll continue to post the same mythology hundreds of more times, and it will be no more closer to the truth then as it is now.
Fatman his line of thinking leans more towards the logic of Mara folding to media and blind fans who think Eli is still a good QB. Eli has been trash that’s why the first coaching candidates didn’t want the job because the didn’t want to inherit the carcass of Eli Manning. If you don’t believe Mara told them Eli is staying you are being willfully ignorant fatman. Remember when Old man Gettleman said “i’m going to look at the tape and make a decision on Eli.” Well he gave it away that he was only going to look at the Eagles game because he said tape not tape(s) plural. If he would have looked at the 32 games before that he would have seen how shot Eli is as a player.
you make it sound like because you've posted the same thing over and over that it is true. But there's so much logic that it evades.
You basically have to unlearn history to believe that the Giants have mandated Eli will be the QB and that everyone has to fall in line with that thinking.
Gettleman was fired in Carolina for standing up to the owner regarding how he planned to look at options for a couple veteran players. Anyone who thinks he came to NY and was mandated to keep Eli is ignoring the history. Shurmur didn't even have ties to the team and all of a sudden he's labeled as a yes man?
Your whole premise is that Mara had egg on his face from last year and built an entire management team around keeping Eli, and have based all the decisions around that plan. It is fantastical horseshit.
None of it makes logical sense. Mara supposedly wanted Eli benched, now he mandates he starts. Gettleman gets fired for standing up to the owner but is a lackey and yes man. Shurmur is trying desperately to remove the stain of Cleveland, yet he signs up to be a puppet?
The mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories around not picking a QB are ludicrous at this point. No doubt you'll continue to post the same mythology hundreds of more times, and it will be no more closer to the truth then as it is now.
Fatman his line of thinking leans more towards the logic of Mara folding to media and blind fans who think Eli is still a good QB. Eli has been trash that’s why the first coaching candidates didn’t want the job because the didn’t want to inherit the carcass of Eli Manning. If you don’t believe Mara told them Eli is staying you are being willfully ignorant fatman. Remember when Old man Gettleman said “i’m going to look at the tape and make a decision on Eli.” Well he gave it away that he was only going to look at the Eagles game because he said tape not tape(s) plural. If he would have looked at the 32 games before that he would have seen how shot Eli is as a player.
Gawd, what a stupid post, but, what do I know? Nothing, I guess
He needs to start acting like a head coach and publicly, and professionally, hold people accountable for poor performances.
That isn't what head coaches do. Find evidence of this anywhere in the league.
The closest thing to publicly critical a NFL head coach will get about his own players is Ben McAdoo being critical of Eli, and that's not an argument you want to be on the side of.
But Francesca kept asking the same question and kept getting the same answer.
He might have asked it in different ways, but it was the same question. He Was as esponsible for the bad interview as Shurmur
What else was Francesa gonna do? Shurmur was in denial. Basically acting like nothing happened. The team moved the ball well??? The Giants had under 200 yards of offense and 3 pts with 5 mins left in the game and were down 17. How can you possibly let that slide and maintain any credibility?
I don't think it was a big deal. He obviously didn't want to go there and stuck to his guns and didn't allow himself to be pulled into saying something he didn't want to. Good for him.
He might have asked it in different ways, but it was the same question. He Was as esponsible for the bad interview as Shurmur
Didn't Coughlin bail on it for a while?
Anyway, the Giants have bigger things to worry about than a coach's interview with the pope.
It's going to get worse and as this progresses with the interview spot, as Francesca eluded to yesterday, they usually dont end well...
I expect by week 5,6 the spot he has with Francesca will be terminated..cause Schumer ant giving nothing itll be a bore to entertainment radio
At least it delivers high draft picks and a catalyst for more changes next offseason.
So who cares.
Agreed. The only people bent out of shape over this are Shurmur (though he should have known better than to take a weekly radio spot) and fans who allow football to emotionally impact their lives after Sunday nights.
And the nitwit fans of the fat blowhard.
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shurmur and gettelman fired at the end of year???what the fuck bridge u jumping off????????
If the Giants go 2-14, I don't think anyone is safe.
We're in danger of entering the 1970s again if we don't win a game soon.
For those of us who are old enough to remember, the Giants of 1985-2011 were really one of the premier and well run organizations in all of professional sports. Save for a few years (between Simms and Collins), they were regularly in contention. They had owners that’s really seems to get it and let football men run the operation. They had multiple GMs who had their flaws but could, for the most part understood team building. They also seemed to understand where the team was in terms of competitiveness.
One of the watershed moments in this franchises history was the 2004 offseason. They were sitting with a qb in his early 30s who had been above average to good for the team, and had even led them to s super bowl. However, Accorsi understood where the team was that offseason. A team with a lot of holes that wasn’t going to be fixed in one season. He also understood the opportunity in front of him to grab a potentially franchise changing qb at the top of the draft. And for those of you who remember, if the Giants couldn’t get Eli, they were taking Ben. Sure, they could have stuck with Collins and drafted Gallery or whoever fit the bill, but they were likely looking at a number of mediocre seaons in the future. However, those offsraons decisions in terms of not only qb, but also head coach completely altered the future of the Franchise.
Since 2012, I believe this team has a record of something like 33-50. That’s rock bottom in the NFL. Rather than make wholesale changes, this team continues to take the band aid approach. Culminating in last seaons offseason decisions to go all in on a team coming off a 3-13 seaons, preceded by 4 of 5 years out of the playoff. Clearly the Giants didn’t and really couldn’t remake the entire roster in one or even two years. So I ask, what was the point of going all in on a 37 year old qb and selecting a position with an average productive shelf life of 5 seaons? Now I’m not suggesting that Eli is the entire problem or that Barkley isn’t a greys talent, but how could one not reasonably understand that these two players may not even be in uniform or productive once a rebuild occurs?
If a Gm and front office didn’t truly believe this was a one year turn around, how were these decisions allowed to happen? The Giants clearly do not have a present and may have greatly jeapordized their future. So what we are left with is a directionless franchise, the worst place to be in the NFL.
I remember at the end of the 2004 team, feeling as good about a 6-10 squad that I had ever felt. Seeing Eli lead that game winning drive against the Cowboys let most of us go into the offseason with something I can’t tbjnk even the most optimistic fan has right now, hope. See, we could tolerate a 6-10 seaons because the team was building for what would eventually become a very nice run from 2005-2012. Most of us probably could have tolerated a 5-11 seaon this year if we knew there was a hot shot potential franchise qb waiting in the wings. That the Giants were truly building toward another sustained run of greatness. Now, there is no hope, no direction, and no leadership. So tell me, at this point what is the difference between the Cleveland Browns and New York Giants?
I was grateful that I was in a different time zone on Sunday and pretty much missed the first half. My sons, all current and former players, said they were putrid.
Long and short is we got what we got. There are no better players out there at this point (hard to believe). I don't think they'll go 3-13 but anyone thinking they'll win more than 6 or 7 games this year is nuts.
You basically have to unlearn history to believe that the Giants have mandated Eli will be the QB and that everyone has to fall in line with that thinking.
Gettleman was fired in Carolina for standing up to the owner regarding how he planned to look at options for a couple veteran players. Anyone who thinks he came to NY and was mandated to keep Eli is ignoring the history. Shurmur didn't even have ties to the team and all of a sudden he's labeled as a yes man?
Your whole premise is that Mara had egg on his face from last year and built an entire management team around keeping Eli, and have based all the decisions around that plan. It is fantastical horseshit.
None of it makes logical sense. Mara supposedly wanted Eli benched, now he mandates he starts. Gettleman gets fired for standing up to the owner but is a lackey and yes man. Shurmur is trying desperately to remove the stain of Cleveland, yet he signs up to be a puppet?
The mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories around not picking a QB are ludicrous at this point. No doubt you'll continue to post the same mythology hundreds of more times, and it will be no more closer to the truth then as it is now.
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you make it sound like because you've posted the same thing over and over that it is true. But there's so much logic that it evades.
You basically have to unlearn history to believe that the Giants have mandated Eli will be the QB and that everyone has to fall in line with that thinking.
Gettleman was fired in Carolina for standing up to the owner regarding how he planned to look at options for a couple veteran players. Anyone who thinks he came to NY and was mandated to keep Eli is ignoring the history. Shurmur didn't even have ties to the team and all of a sudden he's labeled as a yes man?
Your whole premise is that Mara had egg on his face from last year and built an entire management team around keeping Eli, and have based all the decisions around that plan. It is fantastical horseshit.
None of it makes logical sense. Mara supposedly wanted Eli benched, now he mandates he starts. Gettleman gets fired for standing up to the owner but is a lackey and yes man. Shurmur is trying desperately to remove the stain of Cleveland, yet he signs up to be a puppet?
The mental gymnastics and conspiracy theories around not picking a QB are ludicrous at this point. No doubt you'll continue to post the same mythology hundreds of more times, and it will be no more closer to the truth then as it is now.
Fatman his line of thinking leans more towards the logic of Mara folding to media and blind fans who think Eli is still a good QB. Eli has been trash that’s why the first coaching candidates didn’t want the job because the didn’t want to inherit the carcass of Eli Manning. If you don’t believe Mara told them Eli is staying you are being willfully ignorant fatman. Remember when Old man Gettleman said “i’m going to look at the tape and make a decision on Eli.” Well he gave it away that he was only going to look at the Eagles game because he said tape not tape(s) plural. If he would have looked at the 32 games before that he would have seen how shot Eli is as a player.
Gawd, what a stupid post, but, what do I know? Nothing, I guess
That isn't what head coaches do. Find evidence of this anywhere in the league.
The closest thing to publicly critical a NFL head coach will get about his own players is Ben McAdoo being critical of Eli, and that's not an argument you want to be on the side of.
He might have asked it in different ways, but it was the same question. He Was as esponsible for the bad interview as Shurmur
What else was Francesa gonna do? Shurmur was in denial. Basically acting like nothing happened. The team moved the ball well??? The Giants had under 200 yards of offense and 3 pts with 5 mins left in the game and were down 17. How can you possibly let that slide and maintain any credibility?