Is there a scenario where Gettleman/Shurmur get fired?

"Relax kid, we got 161 more of these to go."

We are 2 weeks into a new regime and we are seriously asking if they will get fired already?

during the season, and not a chance if they're 0-3. If the wheels come off like last year, maybe late in the season, but keep in mind, even last year it took the bungling of the Eli benching to get McAdoo fired.

If this season spirals out of control, Mara could flip both as fall guys.

But, a new GM should be able to pick his own coach, etc, and I suspect Shurmur was a Mara favorite.

Half measures of changes are haunting this team.

2 games?
I probably shouldn't be surprised and instead I should have expected this thread.

This is based after the season if the team wins 3 games again. Not in season.

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that both are let go. First, Eli plays the entire season and the team wins less than 3 games (2, 1, 0). In that scenario, we didn't do anything to prepare for next year and basically hamstrung the team for at least another couple of years.

Health wise for DG. If he decides to retire (say announces it before seasons end) then there is that "out" for the owners as they get a new GM and he picks his own coach. Looks far less like a firing but essentially would be the same thing.

Its way way way too early to condemn a guy and his long term abilities to coach this team.However, decision making has not been his forte (at least in game wise) yet.

But who knows? This franchise is a mess right now.

We want to keep losing, sure.

Were only two games into the season buddy. This thread itself should be a bannable offense heh.

winless. Which probably will not happen.

even if they go 0-16 the Giants will stay the course. The Giants went thru a reasonable process to get to Shumur and DG. They will get 2-3 years to move in the right direction. The Giants are going to win some games. The defense is decent and the OL will get better over time.

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If this season spirals out of control, Mara could flip both as fall guys. But, a new GM should be able to pick his own coach, etc, and I suspect Shurmur was a Mara favorite. Half measures of changes are haunting this team.

And if plays out this way..the real fault in ALL this will lie at the feet of John Mara

If Gettleman and Shurmur told Mara this was going to be a bumpy season - then it's hard to imagine he cans them after the year, even with a 3 win season.

If they were dead serious about contending this year, and pitched their plan as a return to competitive football in '18, I'd say they're probably still safe unless the returns are as bad or worse than last year.

the question, the only real scenario where Shurmur gets fired is if he loses the team like McAdoo did, or makes an earth turning decision like the Geno one like McAdoo did, which I really don't see possible at this point. Or, if they go 0-16, there's a chance Shurmur gets canned.

Gettleman is not getting fired under any circumstance. If they go 0-16 he's not getting fired. This isn't his roster.

In comment 14084708 JonC said:

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If this season spirals out of control, Mara could flip both as fall guys. But, a new GM should be able to pick his own coach, etc, and I suspect Shurmur was a Mara favorite. Half measures of changes are haunting this team.

Shurmur is 53 years old and was coming off running a great offense in Minnesota. I don't think hiring him was a half measure. Early returns on Patricia and Wilks are not impressive. Who were the other options?

and bring in another new system next year. It will result in the same issues. This was not going to fixed in one year. There have been way to many years of bad drafting and we don't want to be the team that fires the coach every year and then we never get better because learning a new system takes time.

were safe half measures, for starters. If they really truly felt this team had a run in it, there should be a housecleaning.

You're normally a really even keel poster.

No new coach and GM is getting fired in their first year.

We have 33 new players on the roster with more to come!

Started with not drafting a QB and has been loony town ever since.

This is a new low.

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In comment 14084766 Britt in VA said:

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You're normally a really even keel poster. No new coach and GM is getting fired in their first year. We have 33 new players on the roster with more to come!

In fairness to Sean, Eric did mention this in a thread last night so it's not that outlandish. I agree it's completely farfetched, but who knows? A lot of what this organization has done lately makes little to no sense.

last year.

And you think they're going to turn around and fire the next one 2 games into his first season?

Basically meaning the Giants would have 4 different head coaches in under 12 months?

Get a hold of yourselves.

trying to wrap my head around the concept of half-measures being taken when we've jettisoned JPP, have an entirely new OL, a new GM and coach and 33 different players from last year.

Yet, if we had a new QB, it would be looked at as wholesale changes.

It doesn't logically add up.

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DG was a big half measure in my book, a "safe" choice that allowed them to keep Eli, and focus on putting asses in seats, first and foremost.

If you feel building around Eli is/was legit, you probably won't agree with me. I was ready to move on from Eli.

This roster was a complete mess. A complete disaster.

We have 33 new players. We're going to cut more from the last regime next offseason (Flowers and others likely).

We're talking a near complete roster turnover.

If you fire guys without a chance to build their own roster, you become no man's land for future coach and GM candidates.

we are all fans and the team just got destroyed in Dallas when 99% of the board felt they would win. This isn’t after 2 games I’m asking, it’s a question regarding the end of the season if we are 3-13 again.

In comment 14084784 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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trying to wrap my head around the concept of half-measures being taken when we've jettisoned JPP, have an entirely new OL, a new GM and coach and 33 different players from last year. Yet, if we had a new QB, it would be looked at as wholesale changes. It doesn't logically add up.

I don't really grasp that either. Shurmur is 53. Gettleman was the GM for Carolina and had a ton of success there. We got rid of a ton of players. Gettleman is clearly turning over the roster but you can't do it overnight.

The only way that BBI would have NOT called it a half measure was if he hired some flashy GM and either Patricia or Wilks as HC, or maybe went against the grain and hired someone like DeFilippo or something.

two games into the season and everyone should be fired??!

Even if one believes that Shurmur is a mediocrity and Gettlemen hired to permit Jawn to continue meddling in personnel, this is ridiculous.

It has made a few, not saying you Sean, unhinged.

It really may have pushed some here over the edge.

Gettleman may have been a safe choice, but there's absolutely zero evidence that points to any of the other GM candidates being better options. Gettleman has been the GM of the team for a whole 2 games to this point in his tenure.

if you've been reading me the past few days, and I'm not saying it's time for them to clean house from the GM down. The early returns are not encouraging, however.

I do think Mara made a weak choice, better option available or not.

Fans expectations and the Media are fueling this fire. This roster is not a completed product. This was obvious when they were swapping out the bottom of the roster 5 days before the start of the season. Sure, I'm not happy with the results so far, but I'm mature enough not to lose it over 2 games.

As I've said a number of times, my goal on the season is to be watching meaningful football by Halloween, which we haven't done over the past several years. That goal may be a long shot, but I'm not going off the deep end after 2 games.

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if you've been reading me the past few days, and I'm not saying it's time for them to clean house from the GM down. The early returns are not encouraging, however. I do think Mara made a weak choice, better option available or not.

What do you mean "or not"? Were there better options available or weren't there? And if there weren't how can you call it weak?

around here anymore...

Give it a rest. Mara made a predictable hire, and I question just how hard he looked given hiring Accorsi, etc.

Last offseason was presumably phase 1, there will be a phase 2, and they will continue to try and improve the parts of the team the free agency and draft crops will deliver. It might take three offseasons for them to restock the roster enough to put a quality football team on the field. Time will tell.

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that both are let go. First, Eli plays the entire season and the team wins less than 3 games (2, 1, 0). In that scenario, we didn't do anything to prepare for next year and basically hamstrung the team for at least another couple of years. Health wise for DG. If he decides to retire (say announces it before seasons end) then there is that "out" for the owners as they get a new GM and he picks his own coach. Looks far less like a firing but essentially would be the same thing. Its way way way too early to condemn a guy and his long term abilities to coach this team.However, decision making has not been his forte (at least in game wise) yet.

This is how i envision it playing out with DG

are brutal. OP just gave a hypothetical IF the Giants finish at 3-13 or worse.

To answer your question. I don't see the Giants firing Shurmer or Gettleman after this season. Barring some scandal, I think they have the reigns for at least 2 years minimum.

In comment 14084730 AnnapolisMike said:

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even if they go 0-16 the Giants will stay the course. The Giants went thru a reasonable process to get to Shumur and DG. They will get 2-3 years to move in the right direction. The Giants are going to win some games. The defense is decent and the OL will get better over time.

I wouldn't say they went through a reasonable process to get DG. They wanted him all along.

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Give it a rest. Mara made a predictable hire, and I question just how hard he looked given hiring Accorsi, etc.

I think it went like this over the phone initially:
Mara: “Hello Ernie. It’s John. Hey listen we just relieved Jerry of...”
Accorsi: “Hire Dave...hire Dave!”
Mara: “you didn’t let me finish, but OK. We’ll pay you for that astute recommendation too. First we’ll line up some fake interviews so it doesn’t look like this was predetermined”
Accorsi: “Sounds good Boss. Hey, want to hear about that time I was having a catch with Bert Jones?”
Mara: “No.”

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I know this is likely a 0.001% chance, but what if this season spirals out of control?

Obviously, we'd all rather be talking more positively about the team, but I don't see what's wrong with what he's asking here.

Mrs. Mara or Mrs, Tisch and posted the pics on the internet they would be fired. Beyond that, they inherited a mess. I think ownership would give them a few seasons to clean it up.

Marc Ross - Reese right hand man

Kevin Abrams - worked under Reese

Dave Gettleman - worked under Accorsi & Reese

Louis Riddick - no NYG background

It is completely fair to be critical of the GM search.

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Marc Ross - Reese right hand man Kevin Abrams - worked under Reese Dave Gettleman - worked under Accorsi & Reese Louis Riddick - no NYG background It is completely fair to be critical of the GM search.

IF you were to be fair, you should also list the guys we SHOULD HAVE interviewed and why they COULD HAVE been better than DG.

Pioli is an assistant in Atl, Dorsey was on the market (and there was some rumored interest there just before Cleveland jumped on him). Wolf from GB. And there's probably a laundry list of other up and coming candidates that we wouldn't know by name but that NFL circles have their eyes on.

If we were in corporate America and ran this search, it would be obvious to anyone watching that it was just a show. Riddick was the only one we gave serious consideration to, and he had limited experience.

like a half assed move. But he's not unqualified. He did a fine job building Carolina. I think the perception of "win now" no complete overhaul is driven by Eli. As long as he's here, it seems like we are still trying to win. I don't believe any of the off season moves were anything more than trying to improve the roster. Eli's salary made it impossible to dump him this year. And there was no way he wasn't going to play after last years media horror show so we are stuck for this year. They did the best they could to overhaul the OL. We can scream and yell all we want but they tried. It hasn't gone well but it's not for lack of trying.
At this point I can't see ANY way Manning is here next year. There wil be more roster upgrade and the fact that this is really a rebuild will be more evident. I'm as pissed off as everyone else but I will looking for improvement. That's all we have.

The issue I have is DG is 67, Eli is 37, and my amateur eye looked at this roster last January and said blow it up.

The professionals saw the inverse. That bothers me, erodes my confidence to an extent in their abilities. I wonder if they truly believed they were equipped to make a run, or were they aware it was more likely a transitional season which had a potential to get ugly, ugly.

Of course, we're only two games in and I didn't expect immediate results, I expected pain and 2-3 offseasons of work ahead ... but this thing still stinks.