| Ownership wasn't willing to concede a reboot, wasn't willing to admit that benching Eli a year ago actually was the right move (only not just one game; and one game for Geno Smith at that) and wasn't willing to fret over what that might mean in the stands and for the team's bottom line in the interim. It's awful similar to the folly of the 2017 Arizona Cardinals making another run with a cooked Carson Palmer, rather than be proactive and start the new cycle then. Better a year early, or at least on time, rather than a year late. |
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I'm not as concerned with Solder. He's playing next a rookie who is trying to figure things out. He'll be adequate.
Omameh, on the other hand is the biggest bust of a pickup we have ever had, at the moment.
Was Barrett Green suddenly erased from history?
Nobody wanted anything other than optimism.
They trusted Ereck Flowers yet again.
Omameh's contract is fully guaranteed through 2019.
Stewart is $3m worth of cap room on the bench spent on a shot player with faded athletic ability, and he's a poor fit behind a bad line.
Nate Solder's a good player, not an elite one, and his pass protection suffered last year.
If the Giants can make the OL workable...they will win some games. The defense is decent and they have weapons on offense. The mistake the Giants made was not keeping the starting OL on the field during preseason. Solder might turn out to be a bad signing...but 9 out of 10 of you would have done the same thing. And you would have drafted Hernandez as well.
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Omameh, on the other hand is the biggest bust of a pickup we have ever had, at the moment.
Was Barrett Green suddenly erased from history?
Why yes, I forget he even existed. Good call Greg, but I think he actually saw some playing time in Coughlin's first season, and played ok, before becoming constantly injured.
well, LaCanfora is a hack so it's not a surprise.
It starts at the top for sure, But it’s a very nuanced problem that we’ve all seen building for years now.
This is a silly claim.
The Giants need to settle the OL. As they have proved over the years, there are not enough quality LT out there, so if you fail in drafting one, the only option left is to overpay for one. That was where the Giants found themselves. They knew they couldn't keep running Flowers out there at LT, meaning that an overpay in FA was the sole option.
Solder will be the LT for this year, next year and the year after (due to the guaranteed money)- stablizing the position for several years while they try to solve the other 4 spots.
Omameh is a stop-gap, nothing more. The Giants had no serious in-house candidates and had to sign what they could afford to.
When the season is over, Omameh will be cut. Sure, he will count for $3.1M in dead money, but they will gain $3.2M in cap space cutting him. Not a big deal.
The Giants didn't have the cap space to permanently fill the spots and didn't have the draft picks to fill 4 holes on the OL.
This off-season, the Giants could have as much as $70M in cap space when and if they cut the high cost vets (read as Eli, Vernon, Jenkins, Ogletree and Omameh). That will allow them to afford and sign better long term options at OL and other holes.
In short, criticizing the Giants for signing Solder and Omameh is silly and lacks a basic understanding of the cap situation then and going forward.
Agree that if stepping into this mess like DG did, his only options for OL was the free agent pool that was available to him at this time.
That being said, they should have plugged the left tackle hole the year before. That is on Reese and Mara. Not making excuses for DG but he could only make so many moves with the budget he had AND while knowing he also had to sign OBJ.
For now, I want to put the blame for the past two games on coaching. When Solder comes out and says they did not pickup any of their assignments on Sunday, then something is wrong with preparation or Xs and Os more than it is a personnel issue (not that personnel is also not a factor here). Solder cannot be that much worse than he played last year. So... what is different here?
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Omameh, on the other hand is the biggest bust of a pickup we have ever had, at the moment.
Was Barrett Green suddenly erased from history?
Carlos Emmons and Barrett Green
The Bust Brothers
First of all, no player deserves anything other than what his contract states... period. As a season ticket holder who pays A LOT of money, I really dont give a shit about any player's feelings. I am paying to watch a quality football team on the field. I expect management to do that regardless as to WHO on the roster it may impact. So, if we drafted Mahomes for example... then goodbye Eli. End of story.
Now regarding your two best years a fan will ever have comment. Are you about 30 yrs old? You obviously did not live through the 1986 season. That was the best year for a Giants fan. When you have decades of living in the basement and then you have a team that is so dominant and you win your first championship, then that is the pinnacle. How did that work out for Phil Simms?
Also, part of the reason they are Cap constrained is Eli - he's getting paid a ton of money - he needs to play better, regardless of the O-Line.
That is what is going to hurt us .. bad contracts BUT what really were the alternatives????
Nobody wanted anything other than optimism.
They trusted Ereck Flowers yet again.
Omameh's contract is fully guaranteed through 2019.
Stewart is $3m worth of cap room on the bench spent on a shot player with faded athletic ability, and he's a poor fit behind a bad line.
Nate Solder's a good player, not an elite one, and his pass protection suffered last year.
We have been lambasted for being concerned all the way back into the middle of last season. This has been a complete organizational failure for years. Hiring Gettleman was red meat for the fans (firing Reese) but did not change the fact that the Maras still run player personnel and that they were not changing the way that the decision making is done. An outsider with a fresh new approach who prioritizes positional value and analytics was what they needed.
Intead, they hire a retread who shits on analytics and smart people with computers! It was doomed from the start. They had an opportunity to clear out bad contracts, get either a young QB or other young players/assets and do a real and necessary rebuild. Instead they chose to overpay marginal players, trade away picks (insane), draft a RB (more insane) - going all in on a 3-13 team with a diminished if not finished QB.
We are not reacting to two games. We are reacting to how bad these decisions have been. We are reacting to the lack of forward thinking and strategic planning. We are reacting to the fact that this team has not stockpiled picks. We are reacting to the fact that we have a shit cap situation. (Kevin Abrams cap guru LOL). We are reacting to the fact that best case scenario this team wins 6 games!
There is a big difference between losing with and without a purpose. Right now the Giants are old and bad, losing with no purpose and no hope for the future. That's 100% on the Maras and they deserve all the criticism and embarrassment they can get.
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yield the same results.
I was told they needed to have drafted a QB.
So basically, a new GM, a new coach, a new starting OL, drafting the top rated player in the draft, bring in a few vet LB's and 33 different players in total is a "half-measure", but if we had a different QB, it wouldn't be?
Terrible, terrible logic.
It starts at the top for sure, But it’s a very nuanced problem that we’ve all seen building for years now.
Thinking like this will keep the Giants non competitive for years. Also, for those saying it’s been two weeks, it’s been years and more specifically, 3-16 since Green Bay and 35 straight games under 30 points. This isn’t just two games.
We aren't and we are in a good position going forward with contracts that can be terminated or restructured to give us flexability with the cap.
Just an FYI - you want to be up against the cap each year - you don't want to be millions below it.
Abrahms is one of the best cap guys out there and some fucking moron gives him a LOL?? Fuck me.
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to throw roses at Gettleman right away. And the people who expressed concern were screamed at for being concerned.
Nobody wanted anything other than optimism.
They trusted Ereck Flowers yet again.
Omameh's contract is fully guaranteed through 2019.
Stewart is $3m worth of cap room on the bench spent on a shot player with faded athletic ability, and he's a poor fit behind a bad line.
Nate Solder's a good player, not an elite one, and his pass protection suffered last year.
We have been lambasted for being concerned all the way back into the middle of last season. This has been a complete organizational failure for years. Hiring Gettleman was red meat for the fans (firing Reese) but did not change the fact that the Maras still run player personnel and that they were not changing the way that the decision making is done. An outsider with a fresh new approach who prioritizes positional value and analytics was what they needed.
Intead, they hire a retread who shits on analytics and smart people with computers! It was doomed from the start. They had an opportunity to clear out bad contracts, get either a young QB or other young players/assets and do a real and necessary rebuild. Instead they chose to overpay marginal players, trade away picks (insane), draft a RB (more insane) - going all in on a 3-13 team with a diminished if not finished QB.
We are not reacting to two games. We are reacting to how bad these decisions have been. We are reacting to the lack of forward thinking and strategic planning. We are reacting to the fact that this team has not stockpiled picks. We are reacting to the fact that we have a shit cap situation. (Kevin Abrams cap guru LOL). We are reacting to the fact that best case scenario this team wins 6 games!
There is a big difference between losing with and without a purpose. Right now the Giants are old and bad, losing with no purpose and no hope for the future. That's 100% on the Maras and they deserve all the criticism and embarrassment they can get.
Bingo, I wrote something similar in the Schurmur interview thread.
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We are reacting to the fact that we have a shit cap situation. (Kevin Abrams cap guru LOL)
We aren't and we are in a good position going forward with contracts that can be terminated or restructured to give us flexability with the cap.
Just an FYI - you want to be up against the cap each year - you don't want to be millions below it.
Abrahms is one of the best cap guys out there and some fucking moron gives him a LOL?? Fuck me.
You come in every thread all day long lob insults at people who disagree with you. Classic internet tough guy who brings nothing substantive to the discussion. You're just a Pollyanna for everything this franchise does despite being wrong all the time. I'd say get off your high horse but you cant fit a horse in your mom's basement.
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actual LOL here is that you think we are in a bad cap situation:
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We are reacting to the fact that we have a shit cap situation. (Kevin Abrams cap guru LOL)
We aren't and we are in a good position going forward with contracts that can be terminated or restructured to give us flexability with the cap.
Just an FYI - you want to be up against the cap each year - you don't want to be millions below it.
Abrahms is one of the best cap guys out there and some fucking moron gives him a LOL?? Fuck me.
You come in every thread all day long lob insults at people who disagree with you. Classic internet tough guy who brings nothing substantive to the discussion. You're just a Pollyanna for everything this franchise does despite being wrong all the time. I'd say get off your high horse but you cant fit a horse in your mom's basement.
I have to agree with this one, especially lately.
You've said that the cap is fucked and Abrahms isn't a cap guru - and he's damn good at managing the cap.
I come into threads and lob insults at posters who don'
t fucking know what they are talking about. Do you see me insulting JonC? Do you see me insulting people who are reasonable and not making shit up?
If I'm refuting a point, even a shitty one - I'll say why that point is wrong, but I guess that isn't "substance" because it is preceded with calling you a fucking moron?
The substance here is that we aren't in a terrible cap situation, especially going forward and Abrahms is good at his job.
And yes - you are a fucking moron.
To me, I get why they signed Solder, OV, etc. Open market contracts when you're desperate are tough pills to swallow. Part of me would rather tear it all down and get started on the future, rather than prop up around Eli now.
That's really the crux of the whole thing, did you want to blow it up last Winter or give it a college try around Eli.
There weren't a lot of moves that could be made without having a lot of dead money.
It sucks starting 0-2 with very little hope surrounding the team, but if a poster bothers you or you vehemently disagree with them and can’t contain yourself maybe just ignore them? I love reading debates on here and I get that sometimes they get a bit heated, but attacking people nonstop and acting like your opinions are gospel just comes across pompous and really annoying to listen to.
I don't necessarily subscribe to the notion that all the offensive line needs is to work together more. However, a lot of people do and it sounds like the coaches do also. If that's the case that they need to work together then why just play them one period in preseason? Play them 3 quarters in every game, even the last one. Wouldn't that make sense?
There weren't a lot of moves that could be made without having a lot of dead money.
Agree, but I also do suspect some of this will include DG, in time. Shurmur ... didn't love the choice either but he's working with a small shopping basket right now.
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You come in every thread all day long lob insults at people who disagree with you. Classic internet tough guy who brings nothing substantive to the discussion. You're just a Pollyanna for everything this franchise does despite being wrong all the time.
You've said that the cap is fucked and Abrahms isn't a cap guru - and he's damn good at managing the cap.
I come into threads and lob insults at posters who don'
t fucking know what they are talking about. Do you see me insulting JonC? Do you see me insulting people who are reasonable and not making shit up?
If I'm refuting a point, even a shitty one - I'll say why that point is wrong, but I guess that isn't "substance" because it is preceded with calling you a fucking moron?
The substance here is that we aren't in a terrible cap situation, especially going forward and Abrahms is good at his job.
And yes - you are a fucking moron.
You refuted nothing fat man in mom’s basement. For an example of a good cap situation look at the jets: they have a franchise qb and 90 million in cap space! The giants have to restructure/cut and no matter what they do they cannot get to that much cap space. Also, cutting players results in DEAD MONEY. How is that a “good” position? We are a terrible football team and bottom 10 cap position! That’s not how good organizations are run. On the bright side, hopefully mom is making stove top for you tonight.
Nobody wanted anything other than optimism.
They trusted Ereck Flowers yet again.
Omameh's contract is fully guaranteed through 2019.
Stewart is $3m worth of cap room on the bench spent on a shot player with faded athletic ability, and he's a poor fit behind a bad line.
Nate Solder's a good player, not an elite one, and his pass protection suffered last year.
Yes esp by a certain "fat" person
There weren't a lot of moves that could be made without having a lot of dead money.
Hi, i just responded to your post calling me a moron for saying we were in a shitty cap situation. Thanks for proving my point. Apologies about the stove top.
The Cards allowed the Chiefs and Texans to trade ahead of them and them draft Mahomes and Watson. In retrospect, maybe they should have made that move instead.
However, as push came to shove the Cardinals got lucky anyway and were in position to draft Rosen as he fell for attitude/injury concerns. They also got lucky that 49ers filled their QB needs another way and didnt need to move on a QB in the Draft or they may not have been in position to draft Rosen.
Unfortunately, the Giants do not have a QB rich Draft class to count on this point as the Cards did. Now maybe the Giants get lucky and the wisdom is wrong on the Draft a year out.
I think it’s hard to tell with Gettleman. I didn’t really like the way he was hired. It didn’t seem like they really made a true search and everyone assumed he would get the job. However, who knows what they told him they wanted to do. If Mara insisted against a full “blow it up” scenario then what could Gettleman have really done? It just seemed to me that the thought process that we could truly compete for a title this year was insane. Last years team was awful.
The problem started in 2007 when Reese was promoted to GM. By 2012 it was obvious that changes had to be made - but they weren't. Then came the 2015 disaster when all the wrong moves (ditching TC, keeping Reese and Ross, hiring McAdoo) were made.
Last year's brain farts were nickle-dime by comparison.
The problem started in 2007 when Reese was promoted to GM. By 2012 it was obvious that changes had to be made - but they weren't. Then came the 2015 disaster when all the wrong moves (ditching TC, keeping Reese and Ross, hiring McAdoo) were made.
Last year's brain farts were nickle-dime by comparison.
Agreed 1000%...
I bet you also think it is awesome to get a hefty tax return too!
If you think having $90M is being in a good cap position, you are a moron. A very, very big moron and you seemingly don't have a fucking clue on how the cap works.
I think if you made a list of those blaming Eli (or mostly blaming him) and compared it to the list of those angry we didn't draft a QB, from back in April - you would see almost all the same people. People see what they want to see.
it is baffling they didn't go to him and say
we did our part -- you need to renegotiate your contract and give us some serious cap room ..
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and knowledge of football who watched these last two games blames Eli for the losses.
I think if you made a list of those blaming Eli (or mostly blaming him) and compared it to the list of those angry we didn't draft a QB, from back in April - you would see almost all the same people. People see what they want to see.
Probably... however, there are a handful of us who wanted a QB to be drafted if there was one we really liked AND who do not solely blame Eli for these two losses.
The problem started in 2007 when Reese was promoted to GM. By 2012 it was obvious that changes had to be made - but they weren't. Then came the 2015 disaster when all the wrong moves (ditching TC, keeping Reese and Ross, hiring McAdoo) were made.
Last year's brain farts were nickle-dime by comparison.
Preaching to the Choir! I agree completely
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For an example of a good cap situation look at the jets: they have a franchise qb and 90 million in cap space!
I bet you also think it is awesome to get a hefty tax return too!
If you think having $90M is being in a good cap position, you are a moron. A very, very big moron and you seemingly don't have a fucking clue on how the cap works.
You need to relax some dude. Just ignore shot that bothers you.
But Reese didn't seriously address the problem.
And that's the start of the long-term trouble that still plagues this team today.
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For an example of a good cap situation look at the jets: they have a franchise qb and 90 million in cap space!
I bet you also think it is awesome to get a hefty tax return too!
If you think having $90M is being in a good cap position, you are a moron. A very, very big moron and you seemingly don't have a fucking clue on how the cap works.
I think we blew it up where we could. Cutting Eli was such a massive cap hit, that they better have had a damn good solution to go down that road, and I don't think it was ever a tenable option. Drafting his successor was, but we're still 0-2 in that scenario, no Barkley, probably the same OL as now, and a rookie QB still on the bench for the majority of the season.
There weren't a lot of moves that could be made without having a lot of dead money.
He had a head coach he didn't hire who was revered by ownership and who eventually acquired way too much power and an owner, Chris Mara, who wanted the GM job when Reese got it. Eventually in 2011 Chris Mara was promoted to SR VP of PLayer Evaluation and then things really went to shit. I'm no fan of Jerry Reese but he never really had a chance to succeed.
We'll see if another team hires him in any capacity or not in the future. But he was given the GM job because John and Chris Mara took over the football operation.
It starts at the top for sure, But it’s a very nuanced problem that we’ve all seen building for years now.
Eli has made more money than any of us will see in our lifetimes because of those wins. Eli deserves what's best for the team.
omameh / stewart / martin - these were god awful contracts and appeared to be at the time of signing. this is not second guessing
ogletree - they traded a 4th round pick (a real pick) and absorbed his horrible contract in order to compete right away. not the right move for a rebuilding team, but would be the right move for a team competing this year. his contract will be a real issue moving forward
barkley - this pick was made to compete right away. he is a terrific player. and we may suck enough this year to draft a QB high next year, but if darnold is as good as he looks this was a horrible franchise altering pick
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For an example of a good cap situation look at the jets: they have a franchise qb and 90 million in cap space!
I bet you also think it is awesome to get a hefty tax return too!
If you think having $90M is being in a good cap position, you are a moron. A very, very big moron and you seemingly don't have a fucking clue on how the cap works.
$23 million in dead money this season, 6th least cap space in 2019 next season. And I'm a fucking moron who doesnt know how the cap works? LOL is right!
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Yup. I didn't mind hiring Shurmur, but the phony GM search, the obligatory "consulting" of Toupee Ernie, and the hiring of a Medicare recipient who is "Giants family" through and through was a mistake.
Didn't you say that the Jets having $90M in cap space is a good thing?
If the Giants lose again Sunday I would prefer to see the Giants look to make some trades before the deadline. I know trades can be difficult but I would look to unload Vernon, Snacks, Jenkins, and even Landon Collins. Teams would surely offer up a 1st round pick for Collins especially a team in win now mode. He is due an extension at seasons end which will be very costly for the Giants. Adding another 1st round pick would open a hole at safety but the future big cap hit of Collins while also giving the Giants more ammunition to trade up if they covet a QB.
If he's the right QB you have addressed the most important position long term. Then you can focus on addressing the rest of the roster in the draft rather than having to trade several picks to move up in the draft making it more difficult to improve the rest of the roster.
SMH. The QB could have sat for a year. The way Mahomes did last year.
If he's the right QB you have addressed the most important position long term. Then you can focus on addressing the rest of the roster in the draft rather than having to trade several picks to move up in the draft making it more difficult to improve the rest of the roster.
And, I'm sure you know this, you'd get the benefit of that first contract if said QB was the right QB.
See the LAR & Goff.
Is this at me?
Just because you draft a QB doesn't mean you're forced to start him immediately.
You're talking about bypassing the most impactful position in pro sports, and arguably the rarest, when you have the chance to get one because you have offensive line issues. Just draft him, sign one of the many veteran stopgap guys, and grow from there.
Gettleman is component, but he has mentioned the fact Eli is the reason he has 2 rings & he worked with Reese. I think it is fair to be concerned & wonder if a completely new voice with no prior NYG ties would be better.
Yes, he is arguably the most inaccurate insider in the NFL.
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have so often said is a know-nothing fool? Does he now have some kind of credibility? Just askin’
Is this at me?
I’d like it to be, but no, just a generalization. :)
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If he's the right QB you have addressed the most important position long term. Then you can focus on addressing the rest of the roster in the draft rather than having to trade several picks to move up in the draft making it more difficult to improve the rest of the roster.
And, I'm sure you know this, you'd get the benefit of that first contract if said QB was the right QB.
See the LAR & Goff.
The QB's on rookie contracts is one of the main benefits of taking a QB in the 1st round. If you hit on them you reap the rewards as evidenced by Seattle with Wilson and the Rams and Eagles with Goff on Wentz. It gives you a 4-5 year window to build up the rest of your roster while your QB is being paid well below market value. The Rams will have to release several of their big acquisitions once Goff gets his deal but they will likely be the older vets like Suh, Talib, Whitworth, Saffold, and Brockers.
Under Football Operations in the link below, only Gettleman and Koncz are names that weren't with the Giants last year. The other seven were. Moving to Pro Personnel, all have been with the Giants for at least a year (and the Director of Pro Personnel has been in his role for seven years and with the team for 17. The assistant director has been with the team for 14 years and in his current role since 2013).
I know there was some changes with the scouts, but much of the infrastructure from prior failures has remained the same.
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It sucks starting 0-2 with very little hope surrounding the team, but if a poster bothers you or you vehemently disagree with them and can’t contain yourself maybe just ignore them? I love reading debates on here and I get that sometimes they get a bit heated, but attacking people nonstop and acting like your opinions are gospel just comes across pompous and really annoying to listen to.
well said
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If he's the right QB you have addressed the most important position long term. Then you can focus on addressing the rest of the roster in the draft rather than having to trade several picks to move up in the draft making it more difficult to improve the rest of the roster.
And, I'm sure you know this, you'd get the benefit of that first contract if said QB was the right QB.
See the LAR & Goff.
The QB's on rookie contracts is one of the main benefits of taking a QB in the 1st round. If you hit on them you reap the rewards as evidenced by Seattle with Wilson and the Rams and Eagles with Goff on Wentz. It gives you a 4-5 year window to build up the rest of your roster while your QB is being paid well below market value. The Rams will have to release several of their big acquisitions once Goff gets his deal but they will likely be the older vets like Suh, Talib, Whitworth, Saffold, and Brockers.
Yes, exactly.
Lol and holy shitfuck...
He's going to retire with one year left on his contract?
Lol and holy shitfuck...
One would think that the irrationally confident Giants fan would have been humbled by last season's Eagles super bowl championship but I guess, just like ownership, some are just stuck in the past.
Jets have a young franchise QB, a more talented roster and tons of cap space to acquire premium players going forward. Will they fuck it up? Maybe so maybe not, but they are positioned for the future far better than the Giants at this point.
New Coaching Staff
New Offensive/Defensive Systems
And these articles are analyzing the Giants like they have done nothing to try to fix the team.
This franchise needs a win in the worst way this Sunday. Just to put a pause to this crap.
It's becoming insufferable!
If the Giants can make the OL workable...they will win some games. The defense is decent and they have weapons on offense. The mistake the Giants made was not keeping the starting OL on the field during preseason. Solder might turn out to be a bad signing...but 9 out of 10 of you would have done the same thing. And you would have drafted Hernandez as well.
+1
You know who had the most cap space in 2017?
Browns, Niners, Jaguars, Titans, Jets, Colts and Buccaneers
In 2016 it was:
Browns, Niners, Jaguars, Titans, Redskins and Panthers
In 2015, it was:
Jaguars, Titans, Browns, Raiders, Giants, Dolphins and Eagles
In 3 years, that represents 3 playoff teams.
In converse, in 3 years, the teams who used the most cap represent 10 playoff teams.
Having a lot of cap space means you didn't really use it very well.
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We know that doesn't always work and you end up having players who don't meet their price tag.
The Giants have rarely had a lot of cap to work with, and this goes back to the early days since the cap was instituted. One time they did, In 2015, the Giants had cap space which led to their spree in 2016.
Having space provides flexibility, but the NFL cap guys are trying to stay enough under to have the ability to make moves while spending as much as they can within the contract structures.
But this much is true - having a lot of cap space is not good. It means you've underspent significantly.
Part of that is the choices they make (there have been a couple they've chosen not to meet market price).
The biggest part of cap management is having a steady plan, recognizing where the pieces are going to fit a year or two ahead, and structuring contracts accordingly. It isn't rocket science. it's accounting. I'd guess that those teams that have huge surpluses, or who fluctuate wildly, do so not because they don't know how to do accounting, but because ownership/management ride a roller coaster in spending (ie going for short term gain)/not spending (cash flow). The Giants are one of those teams who mostly opt for a long term rational plan, with occasional mortgage the future for a chance today.
There is absolutely no such goal. The singular goal is to win. And if you aren’t able to win (as in, be highly competitive), then your level of present failure may be somewhat mitigated by the amount of resources you’re able to carry into the future to help you win.
Now — if you’re consistently not spending anywhere near the cap season after season, that’s a pretty good indication that you aren’t maximizing your chances to be competitive. That doesn’t seem to be what you’re saying.
Looking at a team at a specific point in time and saying that the presence of significant cap room is patently bad is an absolutely ridiculous statement. By definition, if your level of past failure at a point in time is a given (i.e. can’t be changed), then having more cap space is superior to less.
What you say was almost certainly be true in a time where cap space didn’t carry forward. The carry-forward of cap space was a significant paradigm shift. Underratedly so, IMO.
A capologists goal is to have a perfect balance of spending vs. the contract particulars.
It is tough because they have to put contract structures in place that basically price a player out of getting to later years in his deal, even if he's a superstar. Then restructures, cuts and signing cheaper players happens.
Because of bad drafts, we needed to overspend in 2016 and to a certain extent going into this year. That's difficult for the capologist to manage and the GM has to wisely structure contracts. That's the glaring error with the Stewart contract. Too much guaranteed money.
A cap "guru" has no impact on winning or losing. He's just trying to work closely with the GM to make sure contracts are layered such so managing the cap is possible.
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He is right that the blame is on ownership, but it's for decisions that were made or not made long before last year's disaster.
The problem started in 2007 when Reese was promoted to GM. By 2012 it was obvious that changes had to be made - but they weren't. Then came the 2015 disaster when all the wrong moves (ditching TC, keeping Reese and Ross, hiring McAdoo) were made.
Last year's brain farts were nickle-dime by comparison.
Preaching to the Choir! I agree completely
+ 2.
It’s amazing that they Forced the canning Gilbride. The Fewell, then TC but never fired the guys who’s draft picks were failures year after year.
Half measures. Mara and Tisch are at the heart of the rot
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you think this is a good cap situation??
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For an example of a good cap situation look at the jets: they have a franchise qb and 90 million in cap space!
I bet you also think it is awesome to get a hefty tax return too!
If you think having $90M is being in a good cap position, you are a moron. A very, very big moron and you seemingly don't have a fucking clue on how the cap works.
$23 million in dead money this season, 6th least cap space in 2019 next season. And I'm a fucking moron who doesnt know how the cap works? LOL is right! DEAD MONEY = GREAT CAP SITUATION - ( New Window )
What about next year? Who the fuck cares about cap space in September?
Our cap situation is literally last on the list of things wrong here. Matter of fact it’s one of the few things that are right with this team going forward. This year’s cap is pointless.
Eli won’t be making billions here much longer. JPP comes off next year. We’re fine.
Draft a qb or develop lauletta and go from there. Eli has 14 more games to show someone that he can make one play behind a shaky ol and then he’s outta here. Make your peace with that.
A capologists goal is to have a perfect balance of spending vs. the contract particulars.
It is tough because they have to put contract structures in place that basically price a player out of getting to later years in his deal, even if he's a superstar. Then restructures, cuts and signing cheaper players happens.
Because of bad drafts, we needed to overspend in 2016 and to a certain extent going into this year. That's difficult for the capologist to manage and the GM has to wisely structure contracts. That's the glaring error with the Stewart contract. Too much guaranteed money.
A cap "guru" has no impact on winning or losing. He's just trying to work closely with the GM to make sure contracts are layered such so managing the cap is possible.
Agree that the Stewart contract was really bad. It’s not a big/long enough to really “set a franchise back” or anything like that, but it really started off the Gettleman era on a sour note for me.
Signing a RB of Stewart’s age / injury history / declining skill set to any deal at all was something I’d have preferred to avoid, but not something I’d get in a lather about...and then I saw the numbers.
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people should stop killing each other in general around here. The Eli for and against is becoming a little to intense. One negative word about Eli and people jump down your throat, same goes the other way. The draft argument will be around for awhile. Not taking a QB was a risky move no matter your stance on Eli. That doesn’t make it the wrong move definitively, it just is a very intense debate. It also doesn’t really go hand in hand with Eli debates. People seem intent on labeling other posters this or that way too often nowadays. Especially when it comes to Eli.
It sucks starting 0-2 with very little hope surrounding the team, but if a poster bothers you or you vehemently disagree with them and can’t contain yourself maybe just ignore them? I love reading debates on here and I get that sometimes they get a bit heated, but attacking people nonstop and acting like your opinions are gospel just comes across pompous and really annoying to listen to.
well said
I wish people would get a clue about the Carolina situation.
- Gettleman was fired because he threatened to release, trade or restructure Richardson's sacred cows
- Hurney is re-hired even though he was replaced for being ineffective because Richardson could trust him to carry out his wishes
- Richardson, who had acted erratic for several years, is forced to step down and sell the team.
Richardson has not hid the fact why Gettleman was let go or why Hurney was re-hired, yet certain fans on this board think Mara has some secret plan that Gettleman is being used for - the exact situation he ended up being fired for.
If people had a clue about Carolina, they would know how ludicrous the conspiracy theories sound.
The other people that share his view? They honestly come across as some of the most idiotic posters on this board. And they probably have kept the tin foil hat industry in business.
Fucking morons.
The other people that share his view? They honestly come across as some of the most idiotic posters on this board. And they probably have kept the tin foil hat industry in business.
Fucking morons.
I love you.
That's weird.
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To Eli in this situation because Carson Palmer hasn’t won anything and doesn’t really represent any team because of his journeyman status so who is La Canfora to make that distinction, obviously Eli doesn’t want to go elsewhere he wants to finish here .....MARA AGREES AND IS WILLING TO GO WITH ELI ONE LAST YEAR SINK OR SWIM ......But he’s not saying that to the fans or the press .....after that he can retire with no controversy holding all the giants records THIS IS WHAT MARA WANTS .
He's going to retire with one year left on his contract?
He might he certainly doesn’t need the money and he’s getting the shit kicked out of him every Sunday now ..... he wouldn’t be the first to walk away from that kind of money......I’m pretty sure of one thing he does not want to go to a new locker room at his age .I believe Mara wants this transition to go smooth but so did the 49ers with Montana and others....
all that, IMO was definitely a factor in the draft choice. It may have been an insignificant factor, or it may have been a huge factor, but it was there, being added into the equation. Image counts for a lot, and Mara crumbled under the spotlight during last season's Eli shitstorm, and he doesn't want a repeat of that.
It's hard to evaluate Eli with this lousy OL play, but if they decide to replace him at the end of the year, it could go smoothly with Eli deciding to retire rather than get fired. Or he could go kicking and screaming not wanting to face up to reality.
Eli could easily decide to retire even if they want him back. If the team isn't competitive, it would take a serious love of the game to go out there for a beating.
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Two of the best years any fan will ever have should guarantee him that. What if mara also feels guilty that he went along with jerry’s Notion of building from the outside in, rather than from the trenches out for all those years. Just maybe he feels guilty that he’s wasted the back end of Eli’s career by enabling this kind of leadership.
It starts at the top for sure, But it’s a very nuanced problem that we’ve all seen building for years now.
Thinking like this will keep the Giants non competitive for years. Also, for those saying it’s been two weeks, it’s been years and more specifically, 3-16 since Green Bay and 35 straight games under 30 points. This isn’t just two games.