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La Canfora: Blame is on ownership

jeff57 : 9/19/2018 9:00 am
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Ownership wasn't willing to concede a reboot, wasn't willing to admit that benching Eli a year ago actually was the right move (only not just one game; and one game for Geno Smith at that) and wasn't willing to fret over what that might mean in the stands and for the team's bottom line in the interim. It's awful similar to the folly of the 2017 Arizona Cardinals making another run with a cooked Carson Palmer, rather than be proactive and start the new cycle then. Better a year early, or at least on time, rather than a year late.

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RE: RE: LOL..  
djm : 9/19/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14084990 Justlurking said:
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In comment 14084889 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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you think this is a good cap situation??



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For an example of a good cap situation look at the jets: they have a franchise qb and 90 million in cap space!



I bet you also think it is awesome to get a hefty tax return too!

If you think having $90M is being in a good cap position, you are a moron. A very, very big moron and you seemingly don't have a fucking clue on how the cap works.



$23 million in dead money this season, 6th least cap space in 2019 next season. And I'm a fucking moron who doesnt know how the cap works? LOL is right! DEAD MONEY = GREAT CAP SITUATION - ( New Window )


What about next year? Who the fuck cares about cap space in September?

Our cap situation is literally last on the list of things wrong here. Matter of fact it’s one of the few things that are right with this team going forward. This year’s cap is pointless.

Eli won’t be making billions here much longer. JPP comes off next year. We’re fine.

Draft a qb or develop lauletta and go from there. Eli has 14 more games to show someone that he can make one play behind a shaky ol and then he’s outta here. Make your peace with that.
RE: Of course..  
bigbluehoya : 9/19/2018 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14085596 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the goal is to win.

A capologists goal is to have a perfect balance of spending vs. the contract particulars.

It is tough because they have to put contract structures in place that basically price a player out of getting to later years in his deal, even if he's a superstar. Then restructures, cuts and signing cheaper players happens.

Because of bad drafts, we needed to overspend in 2016 and to a certain extent going into this year. That's difficult for the capologist to manage and the GM has to wisely structure contracts. That's the glaring error with the Stewart contract. Too much guaranteed money.

A cap "guru" has no impact on winning or losing. He's just trying to work closely with the GM to make sure contracts are layered such so managing the cap is possible.


Agree that the Stewart contract was really bad. It’s not a big/long enough to really “set a franchise back” or anything like that, but it really started off the Gettleman era on a sour note for me.

Signing a RB of Stewart’s age / injury history / declining skill set to any deal at all was something I’d have preferred to avoid, but not something I’d get in a lather about...and then I saw the numbers.
RE: Part of their justification for firing Reese in season  
BigBlueGuy : 9/19/2018 9:48 pm : link
In comment 14085010 bceagle05 said:
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was to get a head start on vetting candidates - the whole thing was a joke. Ernie's arrogance about the hire pissed me off, too - he kept harping on how Gettleman was building a Super Bowl team in Carolina while we were struggling without him. Cam and Kuechly got to Carolina before Gettleman did.
It's also telling how they threw Gettleman out on his ass and brung back Mart Hurney the guy he replaced.....lol
RE: The biggest half measure was hiring Gettleman  
BigBlueGuy : 9/19/2018 10:00 pm : link
In comment 14084994 Go Terps said:
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They wanted someone who knows how the franchise operates a guy that's going to toe the line.
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BigBlueGuy : 9/19/2018 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14085077 Blue21 said:
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people should stop killing each other in general around here. The Eli for and against is becoming a little to intense. One negative word about Eli and people jump down your throat, same goes the other way. The draft argument will be around for awhile. Not taking a QB was a risky move no matter your stance on Eli. That doesn’t make it the wrong move definitively, it just is a very intense debate. It also doesn’t really go hand in hand with Eli debates. People seem intent on labeling other posters this or that way too often nowadays. Especially when it comes to Eli.

It sucks starting 0-2 with very little hope surrounding the team, but if a poster bothers you or you vehemently disagree with them and can’t contain yourself maybe just ignore them? I love reading debates on here and I get that sometimes they get a bit heated, but attacking people nonstop and acting like your opinions are gospel just comes across pompous and really annoying to listen to.




well said
Eli has started us 0-2 or worse 5 out of the last 6 years but we keep blaming everyone and everything else. He doesn't make anybody better and we are sick of it.
The most ironic..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/19/2018 10:29 pm : link
thing here, is Carolina did exactly what people are saying the Giants did!

I wish people would get a clue about the Carolina situation.

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It's also telling how they threw Gettleman out on his ass and brung back Mart Hurney the guy he replaced.....lol


- Gettleman was fired because he threatened to release, trade or restructure Richardson's sacred cows
- Hurney is re-hired even though he was replaced for being ineffective because Richardson could trust him to carry out his wishes
- Richardson, who had acted erratic for several years, is forced to step down and sell the team.

Richardson has not hid the fact why Gettleman was let go or why Hurney was re-hired, yet certain fans on this board think Mara has some secret plan that Gettleman is being used for - the exact situation he ended up being fired for.

If people had a clue about Carolina, they would know how ludicrous the conspiracy theories sound.

And I feel..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/19/2018 10:32 pm : link
bad for bw, because he can at least lay out his beliefs well.

The other people that share his view? They honestly come across as some of the most idiotic posters on this board. And they probably have kept the tin foil hat industry in business.

Fucking morons.
RE: And I feel..  
Hsilwek92 : 9/19/2018 10:39 pm : link
In comment 14085950 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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bad for bw, because he can at least lay out his beliefs well.

The other people that share his view? They honestly come across as some of the most idiotic posters on this board. And they probably have kept the tin foil hat industry in business.

Fucking morons.


I love you.
Are the Rams being offered  
santacruzom : 9/19/2018 10:46 pm : link
As evidence that we blew it by drafting a RB when we had the chance to draft a QB?

That's weird.
RE: RE: You can’t compare Carson Palmer  
NikkiMac : 9/20/2018 8:20 am : link
In comment 14085169 jeff57 said:
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To Eli in this situation because Carson Palmer hasn’t won anything and doesn’t really represent any team because of his journeyman status so who is La Canfora to make that distinction, obviously Eli doesn’t want to go elsewhere he wants to finish here .....MARA AGREES AND IS WILLING TO GO WITH ELI ONE LAST YEAR SINK OR SWIM ......But he’s not saying that to the fans or the press .....after that he can retire with no controversy holding all the giants records THIS IS WHAT MARA WANTS .



He's going to retire with one year left on his contract?


He might he certainly doesn’t need the money and he’s getting the shit kicked out of him every Sunday now ..... he wouldn’t be the first to walk away from that kind of money......I’m pretty sure of one thing he does not want to go to a new locker room at his age .I believe Mara wants this transition to go smooth but so did the 49ers with Montana and others....
the handling of Eli  
fkap : 9/20/2018 8:40 am : link
and his legacy and/or how he goes out and the likelihood of it being a shitstorm QB controversy/media frenzy if a QB were drafted at #2 (presuming we still look like shit at 0-2

all that, IMO was definitely a factor in the draft choice. It may have been an insignificant factor, or it may have been a huge factor, but it was there, being added into the equation. Image counts for a lot, and Mara crumbled under the spotlight during last season's Eli shitstorm, and he doesn't want a repeat of that.

It's hard to evaluate Eli with this lousy OL play, but if they decide to replace him at the end of the year, it could go smoothly with Eli deciding to retire rather than get fired. Or he could go kicking and screaming not wanting to face up to reality.

Eli could easily decide to retire even if they want him back. If the team isn't competitive, it would take a serious love of the game to go out there for a beating.
Article is bang on  
Les in TO : 9/20/2018 9:23 am : link
time will tell if the moves after last season will be brilliant a disaster or something in between but Mara will deserve the credit or the blame because the strategic direction was his decision
RE: RE: Eli deserves to play out his career  
BigBlueGuy : 9/22/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14084799 lax counsel said:
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Two of the best years any fan will ever have should guarantee him that. What if mara also feels guilty that he went along with jerry’s Notion of building from the outside in, rather than from the trenches out for all those years. Just maybe he feels guilty that he’s wasted the back end of Eli’s career by enabling this kind of leadership.

It starts at the top for sure, But it’s a very nuanced problem that we’ve all seen building for years now.



Thinking like this will keep the Giants non competitive for years. Also, for those saying it’s been two weeks, it’s been years and more specifically, 3-16 since Green Bay and 35 straight games under 30 points. This isn’t just two games.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying. You are basically killing this team and having a washed up Eli playing is not going to help this team win. Eli and the OL have been bad for quite a while. They want to go back to the Eagles game where Eli played well but what about the other 35 games where he stunk? This year I got blasted because I said we would be lucky to win 6 games with Eli or any rookie QB leading this team. The Giants owed Eli money so they had to show him that they were willing to go all-in by adding pieces to support him but it hasn’t panned out. Eli is owed almost 25 million next year but I think the giants can save 17 million if they tell him good bye and I expect Eli’s golden parachute is about to break.
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