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NFT: NBA news: Jimmy Butler requests trade

BigBlue4You09 : 9/19/2018 2:00 pm
“Jimmy Butler has requested a trade from the Minnesota Timberwolves, league sources tell me and @JonKrawczynski. Butler has given Minnesota a list of one-to-three teams with whom he's open to signing extension, in anticipation of trade.”
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Interesting to see if some other team steps up  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 3:12 pm : link
and takes him as a rental. Minny doesn’t have to limit the search to those teams, especially if those three lowball them.
RE: RE: the three teams are ...  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 14085378 Enzo said:
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Knicks, Nets and Clippers, according to Woj...


what a weird list.


all teams he can team up with kyrie at..
RE: RE: the three teams are ...  
Anakim : 9/19/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 14085378 Enzo said:
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Knicks, Nets and Clippers, according to Woj...


what a weird list.


Is it? He wants to go to a big market. New York and Los Angeles...
If they take Lee, THR, Mudiay, Noah, Kanter, etc.  
larryflower37 : 9/19/2018 3:16 pm : link
I am all in
But no draft picks or young talent.
Wolves need to get this done before tip off or it will be a diaster.
RE: RE: RE: the three teams are ...  
Enzo : 9/19/2018 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14085395 Anakim said:
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Knicks, Nets and Clippers, according to Woj...


what a weird list.



Is it? He wants to go to a big market. New York and Los Angeles...

then where are the Lakers?
RE: RE: RE: RE: the three teams are ...  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 14085449 Enzo said:
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Knicks, Nets and Clippers, according to Woj...


what a weird list.



Is it? He wants to go to a big market. New York and Los Angeles...


then where are the Lakers?


it is teams he and kyrie both can go to
Jimmy Butler isn't the level of star that commands this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2018 4:09 pm : link
level of drama.

RE: Jimmy Butler isn't the level of star that commands this  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 4:15 pm : link
In comment 14085515 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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level of drama.


I agree. Toss in his history as a malcontent, and culture-building teams like the Knicks and Nets should stay far away.
Would you guys do  
djm : 9/19/2018 4:18 pm : link
Hardaway, lee and a protected 2019 or 2020 first? If 2020 is lotto then they get that pick no matter what.

RE: RE: Jimmy Butler isn't the level of star that commands this  
Stu11 : 9/19/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 14085526 bceagle05 said:
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level of drama.




I agree. Toss in his history as a malcontent, and culture-building teams like the Knicks and Nets should stay far away.

Sprinkle in some diminishing knee cartilage to boot.
Woj says Thibs not willing to trade him as of yet.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 4:25 pm : link
Translation: Don't bother lowballing us.
RE: RE: RE: RE: the three teams are ...  
Anakim : 9/19/2018 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14085449 Enzo said:
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In comment 14085378 Enzo said:


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Knicks, Nets and Clippers, according to Woj...


what a weird list.



Is it? He wants to go to a big market. New York and Los Angeles...


then where are the Lakers?


I'm guessing he knows that's completely unrealistic
RE: RE: RE: Jimmy Butler isn't the level of star that commands this  
Ira : 9/19/2018 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14085541 Stu11 said:
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level of drama.




I agree. Toss in his history as a malcontent, and culture-building teams like the Knicks and Nets should stay far away.


Sprinkle in some diminishing knee cartilage to boot.


Last season, Butler was 4th in the league on ESPN's real +/-.
Would not give up anything of value  
Oscar : 9/19/2018 4:57 pm : link
Hell I don’t think I would even want him as a free agent. Pass.
Starting to look like Minny  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 5:21 pm : link
won't be that juggernaut people expected. Butler will soon be out of there, and KAT doesn't seem thrilled to be there either. Wiggins is pretty good, but nothing special.
Hard  
Phil in LA : 9/19/2018 5:26 pm : link
pass.
Fair trade if Knicks are in  
Philu916 : 9/19/2018 5:38 pm : link
Tim Hardaway, Courtney Lee, 2nd for Butler

Knocks out 2 Big contracts in Lee and Hardaway and a 2nd. Mills won’t give up the future aka no Knox and no 1sts. Nobody is taking on Noah’s contract so Mills will either cut him or let his contract play out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jimmy Butler isn't the level of star that commands this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/19/2018 5:43 pm : link
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level of drama.




I agree. Toss in his history as a malcontent, and culture-building teams like the Knicks and Nets should stay far away.


Sprinkle in some diminishing knee cartilage to boot.



Last season, Butler was 4th in the league on ESPN's real +/-.


Not that I think he's a bad player. He's a legitimate all star. But he's not a franchise-changing player IMO.
The list of NBA players I like is short  
UConn4523 : 9/19/2018 6:04 pm : link
Butler is now off of it. So lame.
RE: The list of NBA players I like is short  
dep026 : 9/19/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14085652 UConn4523 said:
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Butler is now off of it. So lame.


Lauri and Wendell.

Learn to love em’!!
Is Hardaway and Lee and a 2nd  
adamg : 9/19/2018 6:50 pm : link
really a possible trade? Seems like MIN would piss on that... but what can they really expect to get?
Stephen A. (I know, I know) says  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 6:56 pm : link
Minny wants Lee, Frank and a future first.
RE: Stephen A. (I know, I know) says  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 7:04 pm : link
In comment 14085726 bceagle05 said:
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Minny wants Lee, Frank and a future first.


i love frank but done deal for me as long as the first is not this year...

it still allows you to add a max...

kyrie
tim
jimmy
knox
kp
The Knicks should pass  
twostepgiants : 9/19/2018 7:04 pm : link
Porzingas, Knox, Frank and this years #1 are the future. Keep your cap space. That’s a very young core. Someone actually worth a max deal will want to come and play here with them when the time is right.
RE: Stephen A. (I know, I know) says  
twostepgiants : 9/19/2018 7:06 pm : link
In comment 14085726 bceagle05 said:
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Minny wants Lee, Frank and a future first.


To me thats 3 big assets. The 1, Frank and the max cap slot Butler will require.

Pass.
RE: The Knicks should pass  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 14085733 twostepgiants said:
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Porzingas, Knox, Frank and this years #1 are the future. Keep your cap space. That’s a very young core. Someone actually worth a max deal will want to come and play here with them when the time is right.


I tend to lean this way too, though it's tough to pass up Kyrie, Butler, Knox and KP after all the garbage we've watched over the years. It's a huge gamble to think we could do better a year or two later.
RE: RE: Stephen A. (I know, I know) says  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14085734 twostepgiants said:
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Minny wants Lee, Frank and a future first.



To me thats 3 big assets. The 1, Frank and the max cap slot Butler will require.

Pass.


no it doesnt, that trade allows you to basically add 2 maxes to kp
Absolutely no interest  
GMEN46 : 9/19/2018 7:41 pm : link
In trading frank, lee, and a 1st for jimmy butler. I would do lee, hardaway and a 2nd and I would not extend butler. I would solely take that trade to rid ourselves of hardaway and lee. I would then move butler at trade deadline and try to include Noah to a team like Sacramento for literally expiring contracts. I have no interest in butler from ages 29-34 at $40 million bag per year. He is not worth it. Stay the course find a trade partner for lee at some point even if it costs a second rounder. He will much easier to move after dec 15th. Get s high lottery pick and sign a max guy this offseason if you can. And if you can’t so be it just let all this young guys grow together.
trading for butler guarantees you irving  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 7:47 pm : link
there is a reason why clippers, nets and knicks are the 3 teamas and the lakers are not on it...
Woj indicates Miami may get in the mix.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 8:02 pm : link
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RE: Woj indicates Miami may get in the mix.  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 14085795 bceagle05 said:
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can never cant out riley but they really have some bad contracts
RE: trading for butler guarantees you irving  
Earl the goat : 9/19/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 14085769 nygiants16 said:
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there is a reason why clippers, nets and knicks are the 3 teamas and the lakers are not on it...


Question for you NYG16. In all serious
Would you rather have Kyrie and Butler with injury histories or wait a year and go all out on Anthony Davis

I would love a lineup of in 2020
Davis
KP
Knox
2019 Lottery draft pick Shooting Guard
Frank

Bench
Robinson
Hezonja if he signs
Burke
And another mid level FA

I worry about giving Butler and Kyrie max contracts
And Davis is better than both of them
you are not getting anthony davis  
nygiants16 : 9/19/2018 8:15 pm : link
he is going to lakers or home to chicago..
Earl  
Carl in CT : 9/19/2018 8:17 pm : link
Can you guarantee AD? If so sign me up. Not just for a chance.
Don’t care for butler unless it’s for like  
hitdog42 : 9/19/2018 8:32 pm : link
Rhj dinwiddie and the Denver first
Which I can’t inagjne being that appealing at all
Nice that guys want to play for bk though
Woj saying Butler's first choice is the Clippers.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 10:01 pm : link
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I love two way players and there are very few of those in  
Ira : 9/19/2018 10:05 pm : link
Butler's class.
Glad to hear  
GMEN46 : 9/19/2018 10:07 pm : link
Clippers is butler’s first choice. They can make deal work. Like I said I am all for the trade to the Knicks as long as we don’t extend him and lee hardaway, Mudiay and 2nd rounder are includes.
Report surfacing that Butler slept with KAT's girlfriend.  
bceagle05 : 9/19/2018 10:08 pm : link
Wiggins' brother also had some celebratory tweet about Butler wanting out. Sounds like a great teammate.
Give me  
TommyWiseau : 9/20/2018 2:19 am : link
Kyrie and Klay instead of Butler (pipe dream I know). To be honest I would just let the kids play, move Lee and Thomas at or near the deadline and just get a lottery pick. Have another solid pick and a bunch of $$ the next two years to make a splash
Trade idea where knicks are third team not getting Butler  
GMEN46 : 9/20/2018 3:41 am : link
Obviously Minnesota Doesn’t care about where jimmy butler wants to go, they just want the best deal. Thibs will obviously want to stay competitive because his job is on the line after this trade Happens. What if knicks help facilitate a deal to Sacramento in 3 team trade. Knicks send Lee, Hardaway and a Charlotte second rounder to Mindy, Sacaremenro sends hiedl or Justin Jackson with a protected first that becomes 2 2nds after a few years. Knicks take back an expiring contract or 2 from Sac and expirings from Minny to make it work.

Sac gets butler relatively cheap and it would be his team which he wants. If at trade deadline he has no interest in signing the extension then trade him and recoup some assets even if 50 cents on the dollar. Sac would be a perfect fit for him with all of that young talent.

Minnesota while not a great deal gets a young SG who may still be improving in Hardaway, a seasoned efficient vet in Lee, a young player from Sac and some picks. I know it’s not the greatest deal, but they are not getting much from teams knowing that he is going to walk.

For knicks this would be a dream scenario, I think with a stretched Noah, buyout of Thomas, not exercising Mudiay, not extending Zinger until after free agency and signing another lottery pick would lead to 2 max slots or pretty close to 2 slots. While there was a recent twitter person stating KD is going to the Lakers. There was another guy reporting today that Kyrie and KD are headed to the Knicks. This would be the absolute dream scenario and extremely unlikely, but still fun to talk about.

If that scenario played out and Zinger was healthy I would think the Knicks would go from the bottom to top 5 NBA contender assuming all of the young talent develops.
Pablo Torre from ESPN  
GMEN46 : 9/20/2018 3:45 am : link
Is the one who is saying that everyone in the industry who has the inside scoop thinks KD and Kyrie are going to the Knicks. Link included.
Kyrie and KD to Knicks - ( New Window )
RE: Stephen A. (I know, I know) says  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/20/2018 4:19 am : link
In comment 14085726 bceagle05 said:
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Minny wants Lee, Frank and a future first.


Obviously, the future first would have to be protected. That's a deal I could do. The question is less about whether this is too much to give up (it isn't) and more about if Jimmy Butler is a good enough player/person to bring into your franchise? I'm not his biggest fan as he seems to bring drama everywhere he goes. His behavior with Fred Hoiberg was ridiculous and now he want's to be traded from Thibs' team?
sign me up....  
Italianju : 9/20/2018 8:40 am : link
irving
Frank
Knox
Durant
KP

plus a most likely top 3-5 pick. Although you most likely have to dump an asset to get rid of THJR to sign both durant and irving. This will never happen, i mean, its the knicks.
RE: Starting to look like Minny  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/20/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 14085597 bceagle05 said:
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won't be that juggernaut people expected. Butler will soon be out of there, and KAT doesn't seem thrilled to be there either. Wiggins is pretty good, but nothing special.


Wiggins is completely overrated.
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 9/20/2018 11:28 am : link
to pass on Butler.
Great sign.  
Keith : 9/20/2018 11:32 am : link
Going after Butler right now would show a real lack of long term sustainable planning. Very happy to hear they aren't interested in any trades.
RE: Great sign.  
rich in DC : 9/20/2018 11:47 am : link
In comment 14086391 Keith said:
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Going after Butler right now would show a real lack of long term sustainable planning. Very happy to hear they aren't interested in any trades.


Not going after Butler is the correct move. While there is no question that he is immensely talented, there is a reason why he is now looking at his third team in as many years- and it all has to do with the person Butler looks at in the mirror every morning.

The Knicks are embarking on a plan to build a TEAM, granted a team of talented players, but a TEAM. Butler has no idea of what a team looks like or how to be part of one. He thinks team means the name on the front of the uniform and how he is that team.

In many way, I think that the rumors that the Knicks primary target is Irving fits into that entire idea. While Irving clearly wants to be "the man," he has demonstrated for years- both in Cleveland and Boston- that he is willing to work within a system and not have to be option A, B and C.

In other words, he can come to NY and would be willing to be part of the system as opposed to demanding that he be the system.

While I don't think KD comes to NY (as much as his agent would like him to), he has also demonstrated that he can "fit" into a system as opposed to demanding the system be change to fit his game. In many ways, that is why I think that while Russell Westbrook might be one of the 5 best individual players in the game, he will never win an NBA title because he cannot accept not being in absolute control.

Something that has been largely overlooked about LeBron is how he understands on the court that he needs 4 other guys to work together with him to win. Yes, he can always take over the game for stretches- but when facing other top teams, he knows he needs his team working together to win. He may not be a good GM (stars rarely are- look at MJ), but he understands the need for 5 players working toward a common goal, with the understanding that he needs to occasionally take over.

@neweraknicks  
DanMetroMan : 9/20/2018 1:27 pm : link
"Trading for Jimmy Butler:

Pros:
- Immediately makes us competitive
- Almost guarantee's another star coming
- Increases chance of winning a championship soon
Cons:
- Trading assets
- Would have to re-sign to max contract
- Already 29 y/o with injury history

Where do you stand?!"

178/222 voted against trading for Butler
RE: RE: Starting to look like Minny  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/20/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 14086189 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Wiggins is completely overrated.


And ridiculously overpaid. Wiggins basically puts up Tim Hardaway-level non-scoring stats and with a worse true shooting percentage.
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