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Unquestionably, Eli Manning gives the Giants...

M.S. : 9/19/2018 2:33 pm
...the best chance of winning.

But if the O-line does not get its act together pronto, I think it's fair to ask:

Do we want to send our 2-time Super MVP out there to get eaten alive? This guy is no spring chicken and at some point in time his health and general well being should be taken into consideration.

Which then begs the unfortunate question: Who do we feed to the wolves: Tanney or Lauletta?


There is no one else  
Jim in Forest Hills : 9/19/2018 2:36 pm : link
Eli is starting and will likely take a beating. You dont bench Manning for Tanney.
I'd bet Eli would find this notion  
ron mexico : 9/19/2018 2:41 pm : link
ridiculous
M.S.  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2018 2:44 pm : link
That is horrible logic. We aren't going to play Manning because of the fear he will get hit? Come on. When has that ever happened. And then to take that to suggest that we could possibly put a rookie in there from a small college school to take the beating instead is just flat out ridiculius.

I am so glad coaches don't think like this. I can just imagine having the conversation at a conference table with all the other coaches. "Gentleman, I am worried Eli might be taking too many hits. We should put a sacrificial lamb out there instead. And, while we are on the subject, we should bench Barkley the rest of the year. Are we all in agreement?"

If that is the mentality then they might as well sign someone they dislike like Dez Bryant and have him start at QB the rest of the year.
Ridiculous  
robbieballs2003 : 9/19/2018 2:45 pm : link
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except the overall results from last year  
mdc1 : 9/19/2018 2:46 pm : link
and if continues this year will be the same (no winning) Seems like any QB option can default to that result. Think on that for a moment. Even with that ex Jets guy the result was the same when he came in
Keep him healthy for what  
lax counsel : 9/19/2018 2:48 pm : link
His 50s and the golf course?
who else can take a hit lilke Eli  
Chip : 9/19/2018 2:48 pm : link
and still get up for another. Those other guys are going to break and end up on IR from going to ER.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 9/19/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 14085344 robbieballs2003 said:
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That is horrible logic. We aren't going to play Manning because of the fear he will get hit? Come on. When has that ever happened. And then to take that to suggest that we could possibly put a rookie in there from a small college school to take the beating instead is just flat out ridiculius.

I am so glad coaches don't think like this. I can just imagine having the conversation at a conference table with all the other coaches. "Gentleman, I am worried Eli might be taking too many hits. We should put a sacrificial lamb out there instead. And, while we are on the subject, we should bench Barkley the rest of the year. Are we all in agreement?"

If that is the mentality then they might as well sign someone they dislike like Dez Bryant and have him start at QB the rest of the year.


I agree the scenario is absurd and that the conversation would never come up inside the Giants, but I am really serious about Eli. He looked dazed, beaten and confused in Dallas, and I saw YA Tittle get the shit kicked out of him and I prefer it not happing to Eli. I realize this isn't a "football argument." But Eli deserves better than going out battered and abused. That will happen if our O-line doesn't find some answers in the next couple of weeks.
I' sure Eli would consider  
ron mexico : 9/19/2018 2:55 pm : link
riding the bench as worse treatment
RE: I' sure Eli would consider  
M.S. : 9/19/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 14085363 ron mexico said:
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riding the bench as worse treatment


You're probably right. Then, again, he may not feel that way if the next half dozen games go like Dallas and he's thrown around like a rag doll play after play.
I'm not so sure that  
Dnew15 : 9/19/2018 3:00 pm : link
Eli "unquestionably" gives the Giants the best chance to win anymore.
Tanney is not  
Gman11 : 9/19/2018 3:14 pm : link
a long term solution. He's a guy you bring in if Eli gets injured in the middle of a game. You sure as hell don't bench Eli for him.

If you're looking toward the future it has to be Lauletta.
The QB isn't the problem or the solution  
BillT : 9/19/2018 3:17 pm : link
Come on. We saw this last year. No OL, no O. Pretty simple.
If Eli doesn't like it  
eugibs : 9/19/2018 3:17 pm : link
then Eli can retire any time he likes.

Perhaps the Giants should be primarily concerned with winning football games and doing what's best for the organization instead of giving Eli Manning what he "deserves." It's also funny that last year we were told Eli could not be benched (even if just to see what other players on the roster could do in meaningless games) because he "deserved better" and now we're told Eli should be benched because he "deserves better."

Eli is like an angel sent down from heaven who is just too good for this world.
RE: If Eli doesn't like it  
M.S. : 9/19/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14085403 eugibs said:
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then Eli can retire any time he likes.

Perhaps the Giants should be primarily concerned with winning football games and doing what's best for the organization instead of giving Eli Manning what he "deserves." It's also funny that last year we were told Eli could not be benched (even if just to see what other players on the roster could do in meaningless games) because he "deserved better" and now we're told Eli should be benched because he "deserves better."

Eli is like an angel sent down from heaven who is just too good for this world.


Well, I hear ya... and I know where you're coming from. All I can say is that:
1) I am not an Eli apologist and over the years I have at times excoriated his play;
2) This is an emotional issue; not an objective football issue;
3) Translation -- I don't want to see a 37 year old QB get the stuffing kicked out of him because our owner and management can't fix a 6-year glaring, in your face O-line problem.
RE: There is no one else  
Lowell : 9/19/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14085327 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Eli is starting and will likely take a beating. You dont bench Manning for Tanney.


You bench Manning so we can get a top three draft choice, hopefully the qb we should have drafted this year.
I don't anybody  
Gman11 : 9/19/2018 3:35 pm : link
would have had a problem last year if Eli was being benched for Webb. To bench him for Geno fucking Smith was what got everybody's panties in a wad.
Let's see,  
DonQuixote : 9/19/2018 3:47 pm : link
you suggest we take out the QB that gives us the best chance of winning, because they might be hurt, reducing our chance of winning. Instead, we play someone that gives us a lower chance of winning. How does this help us win more games?
This team  
ajr2456 : 9/19/2018 3:54 pm : link
Hasn’t won a playoff game in on 6 going on 7 years.
RE: If Eli doesn't like it  
JCin332 : 9/19/2018 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14085403 eugibs said:
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then Eli can retire any time he likes.

Perhaps the Giants should be primarily concerned with winning football games and doing what's best for the organization instead of giving Eli Manning what he "deserves." It's also funny that last year we were told Eli could not be benched (even if just to see what other players on the roster could do in meaningless games) because he "deserved better" and now we're told Eli should be benched because he "deserves better."

Eli is like an angel sent down from heaven who is just too good for this world.


Please try not to speak...
The last man out there who wants to be  
TMS : 9/19/2018 3:59 pm : link
rested or benched is ELI Manning. Just like Archie (his dad) and Peyton (his brother). no quit in that family.
RE: I don't anybody  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/19/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14085435 Gman11 said:
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would have had a problem last year if Eli was being benched for Webb. To bench him for Geno fucking Smith was what got everybody's panties in a wad.

Really showed kind of an out of touchness coaching staff.

I would like to see Kapernick behind this oline for the lulz.
RE: Let's see,  
M.S. : 9/19/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14085464 DonQuixote said:
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you suggest we take out the QB that gives us the best chance of winning, because they might be hurt, reducing our chance of winning. Instead, we play someone that gives us a lower chance of winning. How does this help us win more games?

My suggestion (implied) is that we wait a few games, and if things don't improve with the O-line (which means little real chance of the playoffs), then we "rest" Eli Manning.
He’s here and our only current option  
Sammo85 : 9/19/2018 4:10 pm : link
But realistically he is certainly a bottom five starting QB in the NFL. He might be bottom.
Another gem  
djm : 9/19/2018 4:19 pm : link
Quality over quantity . Try it.
Why do some people  
Mike from Ohio : 9/19/2018 4:48 pm : link
post every synapse misfire they have?
At  
AcidTest : 9/19/2018 4:51 pm : link
this rate, he'll be on IR by the bye, so the question will be moot. As I've said, I think the battering he's taking means that there is a good chance Lauletta will play by the end of the season. That and the need for some film of him in real games.
We're paying Eli $20M this year  
Leg of Theismann : 9/19/2018 5:28 pm : link
If he gives us the best chance to win, then he plays. "Health and well-being" do not come into account in making the decision, not at a cap hit of $20M. The guy signed up to play another year of NFL football and he's getting his money either way. He's effing playing. (Until we decide it's in the team's best interest to see what Lauletta has to offer, of course.)
Eli Manning  
Mark C : 9/19/2018 6:54 pm : link
is not a good nfl quarterback anymore. Say whatever you want about the offensive line, which obviously sucks, but the first two weeks of this season have made one thing abundantly clear: the Giants should have picked a qb at #2. Eli has NOTHING left. He can't make the simplest throws with anything resembling consistency, and he plays the position like someone totally scared to death. He's David Carr with a weak arm. It's over.

Is there some kind of law against posting "Eli's Done" threads on BBI? Cuz I've been checking all week, and haven't seen one yet. And I can't possibly be the only one who feels this way.
RE: This team  
Fishmanjim57 : 9/19/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14085475 ajr2456 said:
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Hasn’t won a playoff game in on 6 going on 7 years.


PLAYOFFS?! You're talking about playoffs?
First they have to start winning in the regular season to qualify for mentioning the playoffs. This team is a few years away from that chance. They won't be a contender until Eli retires, and that ain't happening anytime soon.
In other words, we Giants fans are fucked!
I'm Confident That Eli...  
Jim in Tampa : 9/19/2018 8:53 pm : link
Will have a bounce-back year!

-Half of BBI, August 2018

This "confidence" that so many here had that Eli would somehow bounce back after two bad years, and at the age of 37 no less, appeared then and now to be based on nothing but hope.

"If we can just fix the OL and get a stud RB to help Eli he'll revert back to his 2011 form, right?"

Rooting for you to prove your doubters like me wrong, Eli.

But if Giants' fans are looking for someone else to start at QB this year (baring injury) they can forget it. There's no one but Eli.
Eli is not the problem with this team  
joeinpa : 9/19/2018 8:59 pm : link
But he s also not part of the solution yet.
Of course  
Rflairr : 9/19/2018 9:27 pm : link
That’s why they made stinking Tanney his backup. So he wouldn’t feel threatened at all.

They’ve turned this organization inside out for Eli
RE: The QB isn't the problem or the solution  
gmenatlarge : 9/20/2018 9:41 am : link
In comment 14085398 BillT said:
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Come on. We saw this last year. No OL, no O. Pretty simple.


+1, absolutely right, we knew what Eli was two years ago, an aging, immobile QB who can still sling it IF...YOU...GIVE...HIM...TIME!
Manning will be part of our RPO unveiling  
santacruzom : 9/20/2018 10:18 am : link
The Roughing the Passer Offense. Pass rushers will be so unimpeded by offensive linemen that won't be able to slow their momentum. We will move the ball down the field from 15 yard penalties.
RE: Manning will be part of our RPO unveiling  
Thegratefulhead : 9/20/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14086289 santacruzom said:
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The Roughing the Passer Offense. Pass rushers will be so unimpeded by offensive linemen that won't be able to slow their momentum. We will move the ball down the field from 15 yard penalties.
That is funny :)
RE: Of course  
UESBLUE : 9/20/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 14085874 Rflairr said:
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That’s why they made stinking Tanney his backup. So he wouldn’t feel threatened at all.

They’ve turned this organization inside out for Eli

Yup espec after last yrs Eli benching there was no way we were going after an available Bridgewater for ex.
...  
christian : 9/20/2018 1:17 pm : link
The only value in Eli Manning getting beat like bag is simply the satisfaction of Eli Manning being the quarterback. That means something I guess, I've never understood what that is.

Him getting taken behind the woodshed is not good for the future or present.

I figured this team was good for 6 wins, hopefully Manning doesn't get injured. They look a lot like last year's 3 win team.

Imagine how this goes with the normal rate of injury. If the Giants lose any starter at the skills positions it will be dire.
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