So I have the Texans and Titans on in the background as I slog through a boring work thingy and there is hope. Now, I had the Texans D in FanDuel this week because of the absence of Marcus Mariota, Jack Conklin, Taylor Lewan AND their third string OT. Anyway, without those big book ends the Texans should have clubbed the Titans and it's just not the case.
Watching the Texans DL, it's clear their NT is a monster but JJ Watt looks human right now and their ILBs can be had in coverage. Tennessee behind the immortal Blaine Gabbert used a lot of quick hitters, misdirection type plays, screens and your garden variety plays to slow down an aggressive front. Their OL was cutting a lot on the edges which gave Gabbert not oodles of time but enough to get the ball out quickly in space. If we adopt a similar philosophy, we do have the players who can make them pay, we just have to be quicker with everything and take what they're willing to concede. This isn't a fast front 7, it's a big physical one but it's the first 3-4 we've faced which to me bodes well because despite their awfulness, our OL will see a scheme they see every day. That WILL be an advantage on game day.
As for stopping Watson, Fuller, Hopkins and Lamar Miller the plan is easy, the execution isn't. The only good news here is that Martinas Rankin, filling in at LT didn't look quick or fluid in pass pro and he got a lot of help against Tennessee. He can be had on the edges and I would expect a guy like Connor Barwin would have an edge against an inexperienced natural OG playing his second game at LT. If Vernon plays, he could feast. The Texans guard play is solid, their RG, is a big physical dude but not the quickest so he could be had as well if forced to pass block for long. I think their interior trio will have trouble with Snacks, he hasn't faced a vulnerable inside group like this yet.
So, obviously you need to pressure Watson, but I'd keep my Safeties in Cover-2 over the top and ditch any single high looks. Man coverage vs mobile QBs means guys w/ their backs to him and the backs, big trouble if we do too much man to man. Make that OL go a long way and make Watson be patient with throws underneath. Collins and Riley are both pretty crap at the moment, let them split the deep half instead of watching one race over a half second late to cover the deep ball.
Nothing too in depth, I didn't chart anything but watched and rewatched a few matchups and plays and instead of sitting mired in the muck of 2 shit losses, I figured I'd look for SOMETHING to give us some hope. Let's give it another shot this Sunday, it can't get worse right?....RIGHT?
Their defense can be had in some spots. I wasn't terribly impressed by how they played against Tennessee. Exploiting the right areas should yield some plays and points, but with our offense, I'm basically at a point where I just don't believe they're going to score until they do.
Their defense can be had in some spots. I wasn't terribly impressed by how they played against Tennessee. Exploiting the right areas should yield some plays and points, but with our offense, I'm basically at a point where I just don't believe they're going to score until they do.
Per usual, in the minority, but I expect the OL to start meshing real soon with these new set of players. Should that happen, all on O will fall into place. I watched that game on GamePass last night, but didn’t even want to mention what I saw as I expected that to be totally drowned out with the current state of BBI.
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with Clowney being out. It allowed Tenn. to focus their efforts to slow down Watt. When you have both of them coming from each side, Eli better have his head on a swivel as we know Flowers is trash and Nate has trouble with speed.
Very good point, and Watt was definitely a marked man all day.
I also watched that game on Sunday and I agree with your other points. Watson looked like a green rookie and not the presumptive MVP last season before he blew out his knee. He holds the ball forever before scrambling. Not so much a concern for us as we have no pass rush. In this game, Collins should be focused on playing up near the line and spying Watson. He certainly can't cover and the moment he has to turn his hips, the opponent has him beat.
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Good stuff - I just know it's going to be a long, nightmare of a time trying to chase Watson all over the field. Not looking forward to that bit of things.
Their defense can be had in some spots. I wasn't terribly impressed by how they played against Tennessee. Exploiting the right areas should yield some plays and points, but with our offense, I'm basically at a point where I just don't believe they're going to score until they do.
Per usual, in the minority, but I expect the OL to start meshing real soon with these new set of players. Should that happen, all on O will fall into place. I watched that game on GamePass last night, but didn’t even want to mention what I saw as I expected that to be totally drowned out with the current state of BBI.
It might happen - but I'm just mentally defeated, man. I have been hopeful far too many times and keep getting fooled into thinking things are going to get better only to turn on the TV Sunday's and realize it's going to be another long, frustrating game.
I'm not saying they can't get better or turn it around. I just don't expect this season to get better any time soon. How can I? This football team has lost 15 times in its last 18 tries. It's terrible.
I can already see Watson running around in the pocket for 6, 7, 8 seconds just eluding pathetic attempts to catch him and unloading the ball downfield to Hopkins and Fuller for huge chunks of yardage.
As always, I'll hope for the best... but the Giants are just going to have to show me something at this point. I'm firmly in "I'll believe it when I see it" territory and no longer giving them any benefit of the doubt.
This board..Tsk. Tsk.
This board..Tsk. Tsk.
Or, maybe people are just exhausted after an awful/below average 6+ seasons of football? It's no secret the traffic on this site has hit a big lull over the past few years. Doubt it's a coincidence.
LOL, you never know...
A lot of weird things have happened over the years.
I think I just want to see one really encouraging offensive performance. I want to see the offensive line handle simple stunts and fundamental blocking.
Give me something here. Anything.
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Had this been a negative post to fit the narrative it would have 3-4 times the views. Oh wait, people are traveling home from work and/or are eating dinner. The only flaw in that possible excuse, is that, that has not stopped the views when the posts are extremely negative.
This board..Tsk. Tsk.
Or, maybe people are just exhausted after an awful/below average 6+ seasons of football? It's no secret the traffic on this site has hit a big lull over the past few years. Doubt it's a coincidence.
No. They haven’t been “exhausted” to promote the negative. Exhaustion has little to do with it. Had they also had less views on the negative thread, I’d certainly agree with you
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you know I hear ya. You know, 3-4 wins may still win the division, then it’s Eli time. 😎😎
LOL, you never know...
A lot of weird things have happened over the years.
I think I just want to see one really encouraging offensive performance. I want to see the offensive line handle simple stunts and fundamental blocking.
Give me something here. Anything.
The only difference between you and me at this point, is that I believe we will mesh soon. Yes, I am PRESENTLY more positive, but otherwise I understand, support and believe what you’re feeling. I’m far from happy right now
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Had this been a negative post to fit the narrative it would have 3-4 times the views. Oh wait, people are traveling home from work and/or are eating dinner. The only flaw in that possible excuse, is that, that has not stopped the views when the posts are extremely negative.
This board..Tsk. Tsk.
Or, maybe people are just exhausted after an awful/below average 6+ seasons of football? It's no secret the traffic on this site has hit a big lull over the past few years. Doubt it's a coincidence.
No. They haven’t been “exhausted” to promote the negative. Exhaustion has little to do with it. Had they also had less views on the negative thread, I’d certainly agree with you
Why wouldn't they be negative?
I know we have a nice, little bubble here on BBI of nothing but Giants fans, and that's fine.
But go anywhere else where NFL football is discussed league-wide. This team is and has been considered a joke for a half of a decade now.
They have a trash record since October 2012, 6 years ago. Haven't scored 30 points in over 2 seasons.
If it were another team in that situation, everyone on this site would have a negative opinion about that team.
Get out of the bubble. This team has been a massive fuckup for 6 years straight. They've gotten rid of multiple head coaches, assistant coaches, a GM, other front office folks.
And after all that, it's still a disaster. But, let's wait another 2 years, or 3 years, or 5 years and keep doing the same thing over again. It certainly has worked the first 6 years..
I'll be honest in that I don't watch a lot of Houston. Does Clowney flip sides? Whenever I have seen them, Clowney is on the right against the LT. Watt seems to man the left. Of course, the sentiment of your post is the same regardless of who is blowing past Flowers.
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you know I hear ya. You know, 3-4 wins may still win the division, then it’s Eli time. 😎😎
LOL, you never know...
A lot of weird things have happened over the years.
I think I just want to see one really encouraging offensive performance. I want to see the offensive line handle simple stunts and fundamental blocking.
Give me something here. Anything.
The only difference between you and me at this point, is that I believe we will mesh soon. Yes, I am PRESENTLY more positive, but otherwise I understand, support and believe what you’re feeling. I’m far from happy right now
Well, it's good to have you around for some balance.
I'm usually with you and more optimistic and looking for reasons why things will turn around and get better.
But I have to be honest with myself and I definitely do a lot of self-convincing when it comes to the Giants because I want them to fix this so badly and I want to enjoy football again. I think even when I sort of know the team isn't good, I still look for reasons to think maybe the plan will work and talk myself into believing it just so I can feel a sense of excitement about a new season.
Part of me really worried that this thing was still going to be rotten, though. And the first two games aren't telling me I'm wrong about that yet. Which sucks.
But when 1pm rolls around on Sunday, I'll be right in front of the TV as always rooting for a win as always.
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In comment 14085653 Big Blue '56 said:
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Had this been a negative post to fit the narrative it would have 3-4 times the views. Oh wait, people are traveling home from work and/or are eating dinner. The only flaw in that possible excuse, is that, that has not stopped the views when the posts are extremely negative.
This board..Tsk. Tsk.
Or, maybe people are just exhausted after an awful/below average 6+ seasons of football? It's no secret the traffic on this site has hit a big lull over the past few years. Doubt it's a coincidence.
No. They haven’t been “exhausted” to promote the negative. Exhaustion has little to do with it. Had they also had less views on the negative thread, I’d certainly agree with you
Why wouldn't they be negative?
I know we have a nice, little bubble here on BBI of nothing but Giants fans, and that's fine.
But go anywhere else where NFL football is discussed league-wide. This team is and has been considered a joke for a half of a decade now.
They have a trash record since October 2012, 6 years ago. Haven't scored 30 points in over 2 seasons.
If it were another team in that situation, everyone on this site would have a negative opinion about that team.
Get out of the bubble. This team has been a massive fuckup for 6 years straight. They've gotten rid of multiple head coaches, assistant coaches, a GM, other front office folks.
And after all that, it's still a disaster. But, let's wait another 2 years, or 3 years, or 5 years and keep doing the same thing over again. It certainly has worked the first 6 years..
What are the only constants for the past 6 years, other than the owners and Eli? And this is from an Eli supporter.
We all know it is not roses and some will be more positive than others. Even on this thread, attention has been brought to the negative play of the team but at least it is focused on the future opponents. Can't do anything about the past.
It is certainly understandable for the upset/fatigue/outrage/etc. especially 24-48hrs after the loss. But here it is Weds. night and barely any discussion on what lies ahead. Instead, people are discussing style points on Flowers kick-step from a week and half ago.
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you know I hear ya. You know, 3-4 wins may still win the division, then it’s Eli time. 😎😎
LOL, you never know...
A lot of weird things have happened over the years.
I think I just want to see one really encouraging offensive performance. I want to see the offensive line handle simple stunts and fundamental blocking.
Give me something here. Anything.
The only difference between you and me at this point, is that I believe we will mesh soon. Yes, I am PRESENTLY more positive, but otherwise I understand, support and believe what you’re feeling. I’m far from happy right now
Well, it's good to have you around for some balance.
I'm usually with you and more optimistic and looking for reasons why things will turn around and get better.
But I have to be honest with myself and I definitely do a lot of self-convincing when it comes to the Giants because I want them to fix this so badly and I want to enjoy football again. I think even when I sort of know the team isn't good, I still look for reasons to think maybe the plan will work and talk myself into believing it just so I can feel a sense of excitement about a new season.
Part of me really worried that this thing was still going to be rotten, though. And the first two games aren't telling me I'm wrong about that yet. Which sucks.
But when 1pm rolls around on Sunday, I'll be right in front of the TV as always rooting for a win as always.
My tummy has not been at its best this week as I hate losing, period. Reading the negativity hasn’t helped. So, as I said, i hear you. But, as I stated the other day, Parcells (and at times echoed by TC) has stated that it really does take around 4 regular season games to see what you REALLY HAVE, whether you get off to a fast start or not. I’m hanging on that
We all know it is not roses and some will be more positive than others. Even on this thread, attention has been brought to the negative play of the team but at least it is focused on the future opponents. Can't do anything about the past.
It is certainly understandable for the upset/fatigue/outrage/etc. especially 24-48hrs after the loss. But here it is Weds. night and barely any discussion on what lies ahead. Instead, people are discussing style points on Flowers kick-step from a week and half ago.
Said much better than I did. Per usual
We all know it is not roses and some will be more positive than others. Even on this thread, attention has been brought to the negative play of the team but at least it is focused on the future opponents. Can't do anything about the past.
It is certainly understandable for the upset/fatigue/outrage/etc. especially 24-48hrs after the loss. But here it is Weds. night and barely any discussion on what lies ahead. Instead, people are discussing style points on Flowers kick-step from a week and half ago.
Okay. So, we're whining about what threads people want to post in and which they don't wish to post in?
I mean, we all know the Giants have been bad for awhile now, but this seems like a new low for this site.
Have at it.
No problem. It just doesn't surprise me, I guess.
It could be any team in any sport. If a team is awful for 5-6 years straight; yes, I would think the strong majority of posts on a forum for that team would be mostly negative. Especially a team that has a rich history and track-record of success like the Giants do.
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The point that '56 is trying to make is that even in our 'bubble' on BBI, people choose to dwell on the negative. Here is a thread attempting to turn the page and look to our opponent, yet the negative threads continue to increase in views/post-count while an attempt to look at the future languishes.
We all know it is not roses and some will be more positive than others. Even on this thread, attention has been brought to the negative play of the team but at least it is focused on the future opponents. Can't do anything about the past.
It is certainly understandable for the upset/fatigue/outrage/etc. especially 24-48hrs after the loss. But here it is Weds. night and barely any discussion on what lies ahead. Instead, people are discussing style points on Flowers kick-step from a week and half ago.
Okay. So, we're whining about what threads people want to post in and which they don't wish to post in?
I mean, we all know the Giants have been bad for awhile now, but this seems like a new low for this site.
Have at it.
People can choose to discuss and post on whatever they want. Curious to think that some want to discuss the next opponent is a new low, yet Mook is still pissing in his diapers over Barkley being the correct pick with 6000+ views and 350+ comments. Rehashing what happened in April doesn't seem very productive. Has anyone changed their position due to an informed dialogue? Likely not, more like old men shouting in the room at each other.
But have at it.
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The point that '56 is trying to make is that even in our 'bubble' on BBI, people choose to dwell on the negative. Here is a thread attempting to turn the page and look to our opponent, yet the negative threads continue to increase in views/post-count while an attempt to look at the future languishes.
We all know it is not roses and some will be more positive than others. Even on this thread, attention has been brought to the negative play of the team but at least it is focused on the future opponents. Can't do anything about the past.
It is certainly understandable for the upset/fatigue/outrage/etc. especially 24-48hrs after the loss. But here it is Weds. night and barely any discussion on what lies ahead. Instead, people are discussing style points on Flowers kick-step from a week and half ago.
Okay. So, we're whining about what threads people want to post in and which they don't wish to post in?
I mean, we all know the Giants have been bad for awhile now, but this seems like a new low for this site.
Have at it.
People can choose to discuss and post on whatever they want. Curious to think that some want to discuss the next opponent is a new low, yet Mook is still pissing in his diapers over Barkley being the correct pick with 6000+ views and 350+ comments. Rehashing what happened in April doesn't seem very productive. Has anyone changed their position due to an informed dialogue? Likely not, more like old men shouting in the room at each other.
But have at it.
I doubt anyone will change their mind, but you never know. This past offseason was a big one for this franchise. Of course, it will be talked about in that upcoming season (now). I think people should create whatever threads they want and the other posters should post in the threads they wish to. That's what a forum is. I don't understand why you seem so riled up over it. But...
Have at it.
This is the kind of stuff I look forward to. Balanced and realistic.
I too noticed that Watt is still working through things (or possibly diminished long term). And I was thinking we have a chance if we can isolate Barkley or Engram on the LB's several times.
HOU #1s, right to left:
Julie'n Davenport RT: 4th rd pick 2017; four starts in 2017; got the nod to start at LT this season; then switched to RT to fill in for injured Seantrel Henderson, a 7th rd 2014 pick, new to the Texans, who hadn't held a starting job since 2015.
Zach Fulton RG; 6th rd pick 2014; new to the Texans; full time starter as a rookie but not since. 12 starts in 2017 with KC at both guard positions and center.
Nick Martin C: 2nd rd pick 2016; missed entire rookie season with ankle injury; 14 starts in 2017 before suffering another ankle injury.
Senio Kelemete LG: 5th rd pick 2012: new to the Texans; has never previously been a full time starter.
Martinas Rankin LT: 3rd rd pick 2018 draft, #80 overall, 8th OT. Got the starting gig at LT when Seantrel Henderson went down and Julie'n Davenport switched over to RT.
I am confident Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur would not agree with anyone who thinks that the Giants go into their game at HOU unable to compete because of the lack of talent/ability on their own OL.
depth, so to speak - ( New Window )
What if we defer?
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56-0 and Eli looks like one of the football players from Beetlejuice I'll be the first to admit how wrong I was. The Texans looked like feyoo to me against a JV Titans offense. I'm going to stay positive until about 1:03pm Sunday.
What if we defer?
😂
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56-0 and Eli looks like one of the football players from Beetlejuice I'll be the first to admit how wrong I was. The Texans looked like feyoo to me against a JV Titans offense. I'm going to stay positive until about 1:03pm Sunday.
What if we defer?
😂
Just trying to add a bit of levity around here.
Shyster - thanks for the breakdown. It shows how Tenn. had Watson running around sack/fumbling.
Shyster - thanks for the breakdown. It shows how Tenn. had Watson running around sack/fumbling.
You're welcome. I wouldn't say I'm a fan of the Solder and Omameh signings, but the Texans moves show why those two commanded the money they did.
HOU #1s, right to left:
Julie'n Davenport RT: 4th rd pick 2017; four starts in 2017; got the nod to start at LT this season; then switched to RT to fill in for injured Seantrel Henderson, a 7th rd 2014 pick, new to the Texans, who hadn't held a starting job since 2015.
Zach Fulton RG; 6th rd pick 2014; new to the Texans; full time starter as a rookie but not since. 12 starts in 2017 with KC at both guard positions and center.
Nick Martin C: 2nd rd pick 2016; missed entire rookie season with ankle injury; 14 starts in 2017 before suffering another ankle injury.
Senio Kelemete LG: 5th rd pick 2012: new to the Texans; has never previously been a full time starter.
Martinas Rankin LT: 3rd rd pick 2018 draft, #80 overall, 8th OT. Got the starting gig at LT when Seantrel Henderson went down and Julie'n Davenport switched over to RT.
I am confident Dave Gettleman and Pat Shurmur would not agree with anyone who thinks that the Giants go into their game at HOU unable to compete because of the lack of talent/ability on their own OL. depth, so to speak - ( New Window )
Carl Banks calls it the "Get Right Game" on the radio.
What is the "Get Right Game" one may ask?
If you have problems, you find the right team and things "get right" suddenly.
Giants have been a "get right" game for many teams over the last 6+ years now.
Uh, they LOST both Eagles games, giving teams a run for their money just doesn't cut it.