Looking at these first two games and the product we are fielding, it sure has the look of a rebuilding year. I understand that we have a lot of new faces and chemistry is suffering right now, and perhaps the team will begin solidifying a bit, but I am starting to question the strategy of Gettleman.
What was billed as a "win now" team based on the Barkley pick, which I loved and who seems to be doing all he can to give this team a freakin pulse, seems more like a team experiencing a throw away year in hopes of rebuilding. We need some beef, talent, and attitude on that OL. It's looking more and more likely that once again next year we will have yet another set of linemen equally struggling to find chemistry. Meanwhile, Barkley, Eli, and OBJ experience another wasted year.
Awww crap, go out there and pound Houston this week and shut me the freak up.
But If there were Barkley would certainly be part of that process
It's a damn rebuild. The team sucks and has sucked for five of the last six years clinging to a "championship window" that doesn't exist.
But here are the facts.
Getteleman went out and traded a 4th round pick for Ogletree, and took on a big contract.
Then they spent 62 million on Solder, and dished out another 95 million on Beckham.
They used the #2 pick in the draft on a generational RB, used another high 2nd rd pick on Hernandez.
Went all in on Eli Manning, passed up on Darnold who fell in there lap, and have no cap space left.
So far the whole thing has backfired on Gettleman and Mara. Make no mistake, I guarantee you Mara is freaking out right now.
He knew about Darnold, and even talked about the transition the Packers did going from Favre to Rodgers, before the draft.
If the Giants lose on Sunday, he will regret his decision, and this will go down as the biggest mistake the organization has ever made.
The 49ers have said exactly that by giving six year contracts to Shanahan and Lynch, a coach and GM hired at the same time.
Good call.
If they continue to have another repeat of 2017 where they win 3 games, perhaps they'll finally draft a top ranked replacement for Eli. In the meantime we are stuck watching this franchise get trapped by their own loyalty to a QB who is well past his prime years.
The draft selection was a gamble either way, there was no guarantee on any player they drafter was going to turn into a stud. Either the way the line was not going to be good. I also think Barkley was the surest bet.
Yes, we could have drafted a QB but that could have turned into a disaster. Barkley is legitimate NFL running back, picking a QB would have put us in the bind of sitting the first round pick for a year or putting a rookie QB behind a terrible line. Either way you are wasting another year of OBJ but we signed to guarantee we have him after we fix our line. Maybe we should have drafted another lineman instead of Carter or Lauletta but I do not know what kind of lineman were available in those rounds.
In either situation there was a big gamble, I think the Giants took the approach to gamble that maybe they could give themselves a faster turnaround if they got some players while also gambling that if it was a disaster they will still get a QB within 2 years.
I do not think that any of the QBs were generational talents coming out like Peyton Manning. They all had quirks to their game and needed polished a little. Yes it was a promising group so I understand that some of you preferred to QB gamble but I am interested to see where we are in 2 years.
QBs drafted in top 10 in the last ten years:
Trubisky, Malhomes,Goff, Wentz,Winston,Mariota,Bortles,Luck,RG3,Tannehill,Newton,Locker,Gabbert,Bradford,Stafford,Sanchez, Ryan
QBsm drafted outside the top 10 but still in the first round:
Watson,Lynch,Manziel,Bridgewater, EJ Manuel, Weeden,Ponder, Tebow, Freeman,Flacco
Current NFL Starters outside of 1st round:
Dalton,Taylor,Prescott,Keenum,Cousins,Brady,Brees,Carr,Foles,Garoppolo,Wilson, Fitzpatrick
I don't think it impossible to find a QB that will be successful with weapons like Engram, OBJ, AND Barkley once there is a line in place. The sky is falling crowd is being a little over-reactive.
How the Browns became the Browns is they kept taking a QB to solve their problems instead of building a team first to have in front of the QB.
It is very rare to get a QB that automatically takes a crappy team and makes them a good one,it is way more likely to become successful by building the foundation and putting in a above average QB behind it.
I am ok with Eli being the stop gap QB until the then.
Unless a miracle in Texas occurs, Omameh or Flowers (or both) will lose their starting jobs on Tuesday.
The question should be, Do you think they would win the Super Bowl that way? If there answer is no, then what is your goal?
Love Manning, but he is the one constant. 😬
OF COURSE, we are rebuilding
The draft was not a disaster.The four players we have seen are good. Giants,unfortunately, will be in a position to draft a QB this year. They will likely have a top 5 pick.
I think it is hard for people because the last time we bottomed out in 2004, QB was drafted to pair up with the new coach. 2004 & 2005 both sides of the line were also built up to have a very productive run of football from 2005-2012. It feels different now.
Fishmanjim57 : 9/19/2018 10:43 pm : link : reply
The pocket QB that has made up all of Eli's career is useless with the make shift OL. If the QB had mobility he'd run out of trouble, rather than look like a deer in the headlights that is about to be sacked multiple times.
If they continue to have another repeat of 2017 where they win 3 games, perhaps they'll finally draft a top ranked replacement for Eli. In the meantime we are stuck watching this franchise get trapped by their own loyalty to a QB who is well past his prime years.
We'd be 2-0 with a mobile QB?? Sell a fucking bridge to Russell Wilson if you think that.
giantsFC : 12:08 am : link : reply
Maybe Eli Manning is the problem. Can not keep blaming the line. Different lineman, different lineman gurus, yet same horrible passing game.
Love Manning, but he is the one constant. 😬
the NY Football Giants have not put an OL in front of Eli for 7 seasons.........
After winning the SB in 2011, they know they need to fix the OL....so what do they do? Why they draft a RB.....
The next 3 years they use high picks on the OL, all failures....
In '16 & '17, they ignore the OL again....
Not one free agent OLman signed in those years has solved anything...
So what do we do? We draft a RB and put him behind a shit OL, and HOPE, HOPE that they can fix in two years what they couldn't do in 7.....yes, there is new leadership making the decisions and we have no idea if we are going in the right direction or have gone from the frying pan into the fire...
Gettleman did not pass on one QB, he passed on 5....by the time we get an OL, Barkley could be destroyed like Hampton was...
What the fuck is going on around here?
Barkley, by virtue of no OL, is going to be getting more hits on a constant basis...by the time we get an OL in front of him, he could have a lot of mileage on him in a very short time...
Instead of the two options provided in the OP, I'll go with "lost".
So the question is where we will be in 3 years not this year. We need to win more games each year, perhaps 5-6 this year and bring along our rookie QB so that in year 3 or 4 we may have a contender and hope Barkley is able to continue to year 5-6.
Its the only thing that makes sense given our O line situation. We may have to sit Eli with dignity somewhere along the way, sooner rather than later.
What scares me is this reliving of the past horror years of 60-70s looking for quick for quick fix. Wellington never found it and we were in team hell forever until we got a GM forced on us by league.
But I'm sure you're unconvinced. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
It is a build on the fly approach.
People can't even decide on what means a rebuild anyway
Look at it this way, the Giants could've done everything the same as they did, but draft a QB instead of Barkley. And people would say that is a rebuild. Not picking a QB means they are in "win now" mode.
And you literally have several posters who think this win now vs. rebuilding is a critical discussion point.
But I'm sure you're unconvinced. Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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To me, the 49ers are rebuilding. They have acknowledged that they have a long term plan and are going to be patient. That's why they gave Lynch and Shanahan 6 year, overlapping contracts. They see there program as something that is going to grow incrementally as they get healthier with cap space, have more FA options, and draft more talent.
And I'm pretty sure if we did such "half-measures", it would be said we were wasting a portion of Jimmy G's prime.
If they were rebuilding, why are they shelling out top $$ for McKinnon?
And I'm pretty sure if we did such "half-measures", it would be said we were wasting a portion of Jimmy G's prime.
If they were rebuilding, why are they shelling out top $$ for McKinnon?
Well, you are required to spend a minimum amount of cap dollars every year. And they have so many holes that you really can only add in FA what the market supplies.
Can't hold McKinnon's injury against him; and he was a good, versatile player in Minnesota. I see nothing wrong with adding that type of player...
I think the JimG invest was wise, too Has shown flashes of success and has all the modern game attributes you want in a QB - good arm, mobile, and can improvise.
Now the 9ers just need to keeping adding more parts. Again, it's an incremental approach.
The draft was not a disaster.The four players we have seen are good. Giants,unfortunately, will be in a position to draft a QB this year. They will likely have a top 5 pick.
If they continue to have another repeat of 2017 where they win 3 games, perhaps they'll finally draft a top ranked replacement for Eli. In the meantime we are stuck watching this franchise get trapped by their own loyalty to a QB who is well past his prime years.
What a load of crap you just posted. Mannning is part of the problem but laughabale with the Oline and no pass rush you think 2-0. Beyond ridiculous.
Rosters are completely different by year-end anyway w injuries
The only position that really can classify a rebuild is QB as they rarely get hurt, rarely get replaced in a game, and often tske a year to RT up to NFL speed.
Giants havent hit the rebuild a QB button yet. They are just doing the norm and trying to compete