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CMicks3110 : 9/19/2018 9:29 pm
Beckham Jr.
Shepard
Engram
Barkley
Hernandez
Solder

So we have two generational talents in Barkley and Beckham. Two well above average receivers, and a good guard. Each are 25 . years or younger. So the window for building a big-time powerhouse offense is not small, probably 4-5 years I think.

Assuming Health - a big assumption - even though I expect us to be like 6-10, 5-11 type team this year.

I can see us exploding at some point in the next 2-3 years if the pieces fall into the right place. Right before the greatest show on turf took off in '99, the Rams were 4-12 in '98. They had Bruce, Az-Hakim, and Orlando Pace; they added Holt and Faulk, a few mid-level offensive lineman and voila, they exploded. Was it because of Warner coming onto the seen or was it Faulk/Hold -- probably both.

We have a better hold in Beckham Jr, and a better Faulk in Barkley. We Don't have a Pace, but Solder if joined by a few other core players can really help our offensive from being amongst the worst to amongst the best in a dime.

I dont' expect us to be great the rest of the year, but we do have some extremely explosive talent and I can't wait to see what we can do with a better o-line play. I think next year could be the year, especially if we primarily focus all of our attention on the o-line.
So you want to go through the 4 - 5 years watching this kind of  
SterlingArcher : 9/19/2018 9:45 pm : link
football? Do you think the owners will buy into that?
did I not say the Rams went from 4-12 to super bowl winners  
CMicks3110 : 9/19/2018 10:03 pm : link
in one season?
i was speaking about the potential of this core  
CMicks3110 : 9/19/2018 10:03 pm : link
that even if not this year, we have a window if we just fit the pieces in the puzzle right.
Looking at the 2 games  
mrvax : 9/19/2018 10:10 pm : link
it seems like if the Oline can play better, we'd be able to put those weapons to good use. When they get their act together, fun times are ahead indeed.

Hopefully, that will happen soon but I'm not holding my breath.

This  
g56blue10 : 9/19/2018 10:12 pm : link
Team is an offensive line away from being really good. Unfortunately this current line is awful
A better Faulk???  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/19/2018 10:24 pm : link
Did you really just say we have a better Faulk??? Jesus Christ, the kid looks great out there, but pump the breaks. It's been two games and he really hasn't done shit yet.
I don’t see anything in the OP’s post about  
The_Boss : 9/19/2018 10:47 pm : link
A soon to be 38 year old QB in serious decline who was described bluntly by both Damien Woody and Ross Tucker as “Toast”.
RE: I don’t see anything in the OP’s post about  
adamg : 9/19/2018 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14085970 The_Boss said:
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A soon to be 38 year old QB in serious decline who was described bluntly by both Damien Woody and Ross Tucker as “Toast”.


Are we supposed to give a shit about what Damien Woody thinks?
RE: A better Faulk???  
TyreeHelmet : 9/19/2018 11:17 pm : link
In comment 14085936 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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Did you really just say we have a better Faulk??? Jesus Christ, the kid looks great out there, but pump the breaks. It's been two games and he really hasn't done shit yet.


This big time. I'm a huge Barkley fan but do you realize how good Faulk was? I would put peak Faulk up there with the best to ever play the position and was an all time receiver when split out.
Can they pay Shepard?  
rasbutant : 9/20/2018 12:21 am : link
FA WR's cost a lot of $$$$. I would think WR is on the wish list in the 1st round of the draft. As are DE, T, G, C, CB and S.

If you had to pick one, is it Shepard or Collins?
RE: RE: I don’t see anything in the OP’s post about  
Tuckrule : 9/20/2018 5:45 am : link
In comment 14085972 adamg said:
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In comment 14085970 The_Boss said:


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A soon to be 38 year old QB in serious decline who was described bluntly by both Damien Woody and Ross Tucker as “Toast”.



Are we supposed to give a shit about what Damien Woody thinks?


No I’d rather listen to what adamg from bbi has to say then a guy who played center and tackle in the nfl for over a decade. Lmao the stupidity of the comments are at an all time high.
RE: Can they pay Shepard?  
giantstock : 9/20/2018 6:24 am : link
In comment 14086027 rasbutant said:
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FA WR's cost a lot of $$$$. I would think WR is on the wish list in the 1st round of the draft. As are DE, T, G, C, CB and S.

If you had to pick one, is it Shepard or Collins?


Neither.

I think you're out of your mind to look for a WR. I'd look to trade Shephard and not sign Collins. We can't block up front which is why we have such an awful offense. Shepahrd is redundant. We're going to try to be more of a running team so you don't need the explosive WR's. You have to overpay for linemen to give Eli time and Barkley space. Our TE can be our 2nd receiver- you can move him to WR if you wish. If you draft OLinemnen instead you still need playmakers on defense that you'll have to pay premium for.

And I agree with SY. I'm not that impressed with Collins. He's not worth huge bucks.
RE: A better Faulk???  
twostepgiants : 9/20/2018 6:37 am : link
In comment 14085936 Cap'n Bluebeard said:
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Did you really just say we have a better Faulk??? Jesus Christ, the kid looks great out there, but pump the breaks. It's been two games and he really hasn't done shit yet.


Yes, conventional wisdom on BBI is that Saquon Barkley is a Hall of Famer already. You are actually the first person besides myself to question that idea. Its really been the one carry so far. The other 44 touches he had have went for 3.77 yards per touch.
When you say core ...  
FStubbs : 9/20/2018 6:51 am : link
... you're really only talking Beckham and Barkley right now. The others are JAGs until proven otherwise.
Barkley  
lax counsel : 9/20/2018 1:27 pm : link
Is better than Faulk. Did you say that???? Barkley has played two games, looks tremendously talented, outside of one run, what is he averaging 2 yards a carry? Let’s see what happens, based on the hrs he’s taking right now, he may not last more than 5 years.
Generational talent  
Default : 9/20/2018 1:30 pm : link
after two games?

Give me a break.
Couple of things here  
eugibs : 9/20/2018 1:36 pm : link
Warner, Pace, and Faulk are already in the Hall of Fame and Bruce and Holt are both finalists this year.

With the exception of perhaps Beckham who is statistically on a Hall of Fame pace, the other guys you named for the Giants are just some guys who currently happen to play for the Giants (i.e., not Hall of Fame players).

Finally, and most importantly, it seems that the Rams offensive explosion in 1999 was most due to the fact that they won the lottery that year by finding themselves a quarterback that no one had ever heard of before who happened to be a Hall of Fame player in the prime of his career.

In short, I don't see any meaningful parallels.
There is a chance  
bceagle05 : 9/20/2018 2:39 pm : link
that our next QB steps into an ideal situation - HOF RB and WR in their primes, solid weapon at TE in his prime and, hopefully, an offensive line that's at least average. Can't say I have much faith in the Giants right now, but that possibility does exist.
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