Apologies: Hernandez Looks Promising

good things about our 2nd rounder. It's OK to call a guy a bust but not after their first two games. Francesa is a dolt. A professional dolt.

Like a stopped time piece.

its a long way from UTEP to the NFL and there's going to be a lot of learning and adjusting to do...the physicality is there, the attitude is there, and the desire is there

its encouraging that pff and some other ranking sites have him doing well at this point

quentin nelson was labelled as a sure fire all pro and he is in a learning stage also

hernandez was a good pick that we needed, it will work out

A whole lot of people just keep digging the hole.

And thanks for the optimistic post. It helps.

him is ridiculous. He is a rookie coming from UTEP facing a steep learning curve. Was he pefect? no. Was he the best on the line? maybe but certainly not the worst. He is literally the least of our problems on the oline.

assert, what does that say about the play of our mega-signing LT and our C, no matter which?

put as much of it on the OLine as I thought. I really hated the playcalling and offensive approach early, and the defense immediately falling down 10-0 changed the complexion. And Eli and the skill players stalled drives. The Shepard drop was huge - took points off the board at the end of the 1st half. And Barkley getting stopped an inch short killed the opening drive. There was also a play where Eli forced a swing right to Barkley when they had a perfect TE screen set up to the left. Engram would still be running.

So I do see why Shurmur said there was plenty of blame to go around, at least early.

Is better than Halapio. He at least has some experience under his belt.

In the draft and maybe target Ali Marpet in FA. Or Bobby Massie to play RT

In comment 14085960 kennyd said:
[quote] him is ridiculous. He is a rookie coming from UTEP facing a steep learning curve. Was he pefect? no. Was he the best on the line? maybe but certainly not the worst. He is literally the least of our problems on the oline.



Might Sy'56 wish to reconsider his negative overreaction to WillH's play on Sunday?

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him is ridiculous. He is a rookie coming from UTEP facing a steep learning curve. Was he pefect? no. Was he the best on the line? maybe but certainly not the worst. He is literally the least of our problems on the oline.

This whole fucking board has been ridiculous after a 3-13 season and 33 new players on the roster. BBI is absurd at this point

On PFF. The panic and hysteria on here needs to stop

In comment 14086028 Mcphedge said:

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In comment 14085960 kennyd said: [quote] him is ridiculous. He is a rookie coming from UTEP facing a steep learning curve. Was he pefect? no. Was he the best on the line? maybe but certainly not the worst. He is literally the least of our problems on the oline. Might Sy'56 wish to reconsider his negative overreaction to WillH's play on Sunday?

I didn't say he's not off to a shaky start. What I said was that he is two games into his NFL career, The right side is frightening and Solder (who has been barely adequate to my eyes) is getting an ocean of money. My point is that he is the least of our problems. He still has a huge upside in my eyes, the others.... I'm not really not sure.

they can play well for 75 plays and play very poorly for two or three and those last ones are what everyone remembers.

when you re-watched him? Nobody believes what I write, maybe you will believe this guy...

Sy's assessment of the Dallas game:

GUARDS/CENTERS

-The two guards were nightmares, it was the worst combined grade from the guards I have seen in 2+ years. Patrick Omameh was responsible for 2 pressures and 1 sack. He wasn’t able to sustain blocks. He has a decent punch at the line, but his man is off free within 1-2 seconds almost every time. Will Hernandez looks lost mentally. Again, the base-level athleticism is there, but it doesn’t show up because he is too slow to react. He allowed 1 pressure and 2 sacks. The first of which was about as bad as it gets. Hernandez was also completely whiffing at the second level as a run blocker. He continues to get a pass here and there for being a rookie, but there were moments where he didn’t even look competitive.

Some people look at him and see one thing, while others see another.

Is this. When we decide to study a game, how do we know what we're even seeing? I have often thought about this when I have gone back to "study" a game. How can I study something if I don't know what I'm seeing.

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Some people look at him and see one thing, while others see another.

I think it's as simple as some people giving more weight to really negative plays (pressures, sacks) than others.

I think PFF just grades each individual play (from +2.0 to -2.0) and then weights all the plays equally. While their is some merit to this approach, I'm not sure it's weighting the strongly negative plays enough. For example, player A has 5 neutral (0.0 grades) plays for a total grade of 0.0. Player B has 4 above average plays (0.5 grades) and one whiff (-2.0) for a total of 0.0.

For reference a neutral grade would be if the DL doesn't cede ground but still holds his gap, a 0.5 grade is likely the OL getting the DL out of his gap and a -2.0 would be the OL whiffing completely on a sack (see article).

So getting back to the example, depending on where the neutral/slightly positive plays were run, they could've gone for little to no yardage, while the -2.0 grade is likely a drive killer.

PFF seems to "reward" guys that are "consistent"; i.e. good for 57 plays even if the other 3 plays were awful. Sy and others (correct me if I'm wrong), give a lot more weight to avoiding the awful plays even if that means the player was only 'good' on 50 plays and then mediocre/below average on 10 plays.
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My question is, why was he definitively rated anyway after his first to NFL games? That’s the headscratcher, imv

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the whole game

while the apology wasn't necessary, it is good to see this thread.

I have to say though that the ability for people to rewatch these games should earn respect on its own!

Has something to work through.

Solder is on a new team lined up next to a Rookie

Hernandez is a rookie from a low level school so he has to adjust to the NFL’s speed.

Greco is going to have to play a position he’s scarcely played.

Halapio was always a journeyman

Omameh was never a stud and has generally only started because of lack of talent

And Flowers sucks.

Omameh and Flowers are also playing new positions.

difficulty and haven’t meshed yet, beyond the usual and convenient mantra, ‘they suck.’

that i was encouraged by the fact that he was not getting physically man handled by the guy lining up in front of him. He can learn assignments and blitz pickups but no coaching can fix being physically dominated which is what we have seen by others on our line over the past few years.

I did too XD

good on you.

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Omameh and Flowers are also playing new positions.


Well then, maybe we should move Flowers back to LT, and move Solder to RT.....I think Solder can do it....

Omameh, undrafted, has bounced from practice squad to starting lineups, mainly out of desperation, and yet got big bucks from DG.....has played both G positions....

Moved a failure to the other side, and signed another "Jerry" for way more money.....yup, the line is fixed.....

Know what s often difficult for me. Separating those posters who actually have inside information or a football acrunem separating them from most fans, with those fans who confidently express their opinions as facts.

i. e. Inhave heard it expressed that a prerequisite for Mara s hiring of a GM was a commitment to Eli going forward.

Is this fact or fiction? It kind of makes a difference in how the draft decision would be viewed

something like 67 plays. He might have had 2 or 3 bad plays, but there are people that will focus on those and not on the other 60+ plays.

Why mittens and not gloves? I found mittens better for snowball making personally but curious as to your thoughts.

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Kudos to anyone (including myself) who says "on further review I was wrong".

In comment 14086265 joeinpa said:

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Know what s often difficult for me. Separating those posters who actually have inside information or a football acrunem separating them from most fans, with those fans who confidently express their opinions as facts. i. e. Inhave heard it expressed that a prerequisite for Mara s hiring of a GM was a commitment to Eli going forward. Is this fact or fiction? It kind of makes a difference in how the draft decision would be viewed

It's a logical assertion being made, but not one I'd expect Mara to confirm.

I ve heard Simms, Eaison, and Cowherd state it as fact. Was just wondering

Sometimes it's fact, sometimes it's not. You have to ask yourself who gains what from saying it.

In the case of Eli, it does make sense. What makes more sense is DG walked in the door and said Eli's my guy, and Mara hopped onboard.