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Saquon Vs Zeke

MagicManning : 9/20/2018 8:41 pm
I was excited to see how the 2 of these RBs would go Sunday night. I know they have a lot of respect for each other. I am super high on Barkley and never have been as impressed by Zeke as most are. I feel he is a very athletic RB with great instincts who benefits from a very good Oline.

I decided to go back and watch the film and look at each of there touches and crunch some numbers. What I was interested in was is not just the box score numbers i.e. 10 carries for 100yards etc etc. When you look at the box score it looks like Elliott had the better game with a TD and averaging 5 yards a carry to Barkleys 2. So I came up with a sabermetric game. So the rules to the game were as follows:

1. Watch every touch by each RB and only count the plays where the RB received the ball behind or very near to the LOS.
2. Determine when the RB was first encountered by a defender close enough to make a tackle and chart that.
3. After first encounter chart the amount of yardage after the first defender made or missed the tackle.
4. Keep track of how many plays the first defender missed the first tackle.

So what I came up with was this:

Barkley on average met his first defender -.7 yards behind the LOS
The first defender missed the tackle on 16 of 22 of those plays= 72%
After the first defender Barkley had 22 attempts for 86 yards = 3.9 ypa

Elliott on average met his first defender .5 yards in from of LOS
The first defender missed on 8 of 21 attempts=38%
After the first defender Elliott had 21 attempts for 68 yards= 3.3 ypa

Barkley is a rare rare RB and even if this season goes down the tubes atleast we have something to be excited for in the future.


I think you're right. Barkley was a good pick.  
Ira : 9/20/2018 8:59 pm : link
The Giants tried to get good blocking for him, but failed this season. We'll see if they can improve on that in 2019.
He will be a wasted talent behind this O line  
fivehead : 9/20/2018 9:16 pm : link
Just like Eli and Odell.
RE: He will be a wasted talent behind this O line  
mrvax : 9/20/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 14087212 fivehead said:
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Just like Eli and Odell.


The Giants should see if Howard Cross would like to come back.
maybe, maybe not  
MagicManning : 9/20/2018 9:31 pm : link
I have to believe in the front office. The way I see it Gettlemen has already drafted a better offensive linemen than Reese ever did his entire time as GM. Thats scary and why we are in the situation we are in. Eli is a QB who needs time to operate and a running game to lean on. Both of which rely heavily on the Online.
RE: maybe, maybe not  
bradshaw44 : 9/20/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14087253 MagicManning said:
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I have to believe in the front office. The way I see it Gettlemen has already drafted a better offensive linemen than Reese ever did his entire time as GM. Thats scary and why we are in the situation we are in. Eli is a QB who needs time to operate and a running game to lean on. Both of which rely heavily on the Online.


As of right now, he’s drafted Hernandez. And right now, he looks to be on par with Pugh and Richburg. So id say it’s way too early to make that claim. But it’s safe to say all of Reese’s OL picks sucked ass and continue to suck after leaving the Giants. So it’s certain Reese’s picks suck. Jury is out on DGs pick.
I envision a situation similar to the cowboys a few years ago  
fame56 : 9/20/2018 9:40 pm : link
we have the feature running back in place...we do something to improve the offensive line either by draft or fa or trade or a combination thereof...we get lucky with a new QB either from trade or midround draft pick

then we wind up with a dak prescott/ezekial elliot/good offensive line situation and start to resemble a good nfl team again
I say midround draft pick for the QB  
fame56 : 9/20/2018 9:43 pm : link
because it will be imperative to spend 2 high draft picks in 2019 on offensive lineman

this year proved to me that you cant depend on free agency to acquire good offensive linemen..there arent enough to go around the league now and if someone is any good, they're team isnt letting them go
Mid  
DanMetroMan : 9/20/2018 10:18 pm : link
round pick on a QB is likely a waste of a pick. Might as well sign a retread for a year like Fitzpatrick etc
Zeke is the better running back right now.  
barens : 9/20/2018 11:43 pm : link
He’s much more physical at the point of attack, without giving up much speed. Barkley is better going east/west, and he’s got some ridiculous moves, but when you need that first down, those extra couple yards, Zeke does a better job using his momentum. Sort of reminds me of Emmit Smith in that way, where as Barkley looks an awful lot like Barry Sanders.
Zeke May be an Asshole  
Samiam : 9/20/2018 11:58 pm : link
But he is a very good RB. He is also a very good blocker and can catch the ball. If you don’t think this guy is a top tier RB, I don’t know what games you’re watching. And there’s nobody on this site who hates the Cowboys more than me.
RE: Zeke is the better running back right now.  
giantstock : 9/21/2018 3:05 am : link
In comment 14087557 barens said:
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He’s much more physical at the point of attack, without giving up much speed. Barkley is better going east/west, and he’s got some ridiculous moves, but when you need that first down, those extra couple yards, Zeke does a better job using his momentum. Sort of reminds me of Emmit Smith in that way, where as Barkley looks an awful lot like Barry Sanders.


Barkley reminds me of a combination of Sanders and Smith.. Barkley runs with much more power. Not sure anyone had Saunders juke ability though Barkley has some definitely.
the oline isn't playing very well as a unit right now.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 9/21/2018 7:37 am : link
they aren't necessarily deficient physically. They need (like all lines) to gell. Hopefully, that happens quickly.
Zeke  
HoustonGiant : 9/21/2018 9:18 am : link
looks like Emmit. Good line, big holes, downhill runner, but not blazing fast.

Saquon looks like Berry. Bad OL, lots of 1-2 yard runs, then bust a big one. Lots of spins and cuts too.

It's soooo early, but this is what I'm reminded of, at this point.
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