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| But in her book, set to be released Oct. 2, Daniels expands on the meeting with Roethlisberger, who made his NFL debut with the Steelers in 2004. Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, wrote that Roethlisberger requested a "good night kiss," CNN reported. She denied the overture and said he pushed her hotel room door lightly. "I was terrified. I am rarely terrified," Daniels wrote, adding that Roethlisberger responded, by saying, "'Come on.'" After she closed the door, Daniels wrote that Roethlisberger "stood outside, not leaving" and knocked several times before, eventually, leaving. |
I never attacked her (maybe others did, I'm not re-reading this whole abomination of a thread). I'm just not sympathetic to this specific person and this specific incident.
Victims of sexual assault or even sexual misconduct deserve every ounce of consideration available to them (even if their accusation is decades old and seems to have ulterior motives). that's irrelevant, they deserve to be heard and their allegations taken seriously.
This is not that.
This is a PR stunt from someone selling a book. Even if Ben is the biggest piece of shit on the planet, this incident is not remotely criminal, even if she was terrified. Besides that, this incident, according to the article, took place in 2006, so Ben wasn't even "Serial Rapist Ben" he was still regular Ben, as far as she knew.
So while I never attacked her based on her own account of the incident it's an advance made to her by a big man, and she rejected it.
People like to add their own words, but in her words what exactly happened is:
1. A man walked her to her hotel room door, she never says if his was unwanted or not
2. the man asked for a kiss goodnight
3. She denied the overture and said he pushed her hotel room door lightly and said "come on"
4. she closed the door
5. he knocked a couple times on the door then left
what am I supposed to feel about this?
holy shit, how dare he? how dare he? in my best Corey Booker Spartacus impression?
Some of you need to stop watching CNN for a few days and realize there is a whole world out there that isn't told how to feel.
...blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...
Some of you need to stop watching CNN for a few days and realize there is a whole world out there that isn't told how to feel.
At least you got your dig in at CNN, while you weep for the country over its state of politics...
This type of girl handles guys like Ben for sport.
I would imagine some of you would be pissed off about it and think the guy was a scumbag. But I'm sure you'd reconsider if others weighed in and said "ehh, your daughter sleeps with a lot of guys, so I doubt she was terrified by this stranger"
But the reactions here are more about her being an unsympathetic character because of what she does for a living.
It perpetuates this type of sick point of view that many men have had for a long time whereby if a woman defines her own sexuality or if it is known that a woman sleeps with a lot of men, her value as a human and her autonomy is lessened; and that, if she's willing to sleep with a lot of men, then she must want it all the time and from anyone.
As Ryan stated earlier, "it's not illogical to think women in her profession have more reason to fear than the average woman because the men they encounter will be far, far more presumptuous as to what they can get away with.
Especially those of stature"
Why would you say that is?
How would you say the media treated (in general) Monica Lewinsky vs someone like say Stormy Daniels and her lawyer?
Why do you think that is?
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
Why would you say that is?
How would you say the media treated (in general) Monica Lewinsky vs someone like say Stormy Daniels and her lawyer?
Why do you think that is?
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
Great point.
It is bizarre to me that a large number of men would be so indoctrinated to walk on eggshells about really basic human issues. Layer that with the fact that there is this air of enlightenment of being on a higher plane of righteousness and the world is becoming more frustrating by the day.
All you need to do is use common sense. A violent rapist should have his balls cut off. A smarmy fat faced QB who wanted to bang a porn star and asked twice for a goodnight kiss isn't really someone who needs to be vilified for that action is he?
Now if you want to say he is an a-hole because of his other sexual assault transgressions then that is a different conversation, which we would all probably agree on, but as it relates to Stormy Daniels this is really a dumb conversation.
Contrary to popular belief, people who share my opinions on this stuff aren't heartless bastards. We just want the serious issues to be dealt with seriously and swiftly and some mechanism to be put in place to filter out the nonsense. Stormy Daniels should be ridiculed and publicly shamed for telling this dumb story about Ben, not hailed as some kind of feminist hero #metoo icon.
Why would you say that is?
How would you say the media treated (in general) Monica Lewinsky vs someone like say Stormy Daniels and her lawyer?
Why do you think that is?
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
This post is for the hypocrites. Woke!
he did this piece of shit. I could see her daughter either joining the porn industry or doing what Anna Nicole Smith's
son did.
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Stormy Daniels and her lawyer have been on CNN 100x times more (just for example) than someone like Monica Lewinsky was during her scandal.
Why would you say that is?
How would you say the media treated (in general) Monica Lewinsky vs someone like say Stormy Daniels and her lawyer?
Why do you think that is?
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
Great point.
It is bizarre to me that a large number of men would be so indoctrinated to walk on eggshells about really basic human issues. Layer that with the fact that there is this air of enlightenment of being on a higher plane of righteousness and the world is becoming more frustrating by the day.
All you need to do is use common sense. A violent rapist should have his balls cut off. A smarmy fat faced QB who wanted to bang a porn star and asked twice for a goodnight kiss isn't really someone who needs to be vilified for that action is he?
Now if you want to say he is an a-hole because of his other sexual assault transgressions then that is a different conversation, which we would all probably agree on, but as it relates to Stormy Daniels this is really a dumb conversation.
Contrary to popular belief, people who share my opinions on this stuff aren't heartless bastards. We just want the serious issues to be dealt with seriously and swiftly and some mechanism to be put in place to filter out the nonsense. Stormy Daniels should be ridiculed and publicly shamed for telling this dumb story about Ben, not hailed as some kind of feminist hero #metoo icon.
Is it ok to say that you're an a-hole?
Can't wait for you to somehow turn this around and accuse the entire board of suffering from toxic masculinity.
As a society, we're in trouble. I think everybody needs to get off the TV and internet and get back to basic decency and civility.
My stance on this is pretty simple. Maybe she’s doing it for publicity, maybe she isn’t - none of us have any idea. But I’ve seen several comments devoid of sympathy due to her profession which is pretty sad, yet not shocking. If you swapped her with another semi-famous D list celebrity that didn’t do porn I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this thread probably shreds Roethlisberger to bits.
Sick people..very sick men
The link that I posted said the incident happened the same weekend in 2009 that Ben ended up facing the sexual assault allegations. Your USA Today says years before. I'm not going to track down a copy of Daniels book to verify. But the link that I posted ties Ben, Stormy, Donald, together.
It's almost like rape is a problem for sex workers and adult actors and Stormy Daniels is looking for publicity.
It's almost like Stormy Daniels slept with Donald Trump and didn't want to sleep with Roethlisberger.
It's almost like Roethlisberger assualted a girl in Georgia and Nevada ... wait that one is not up for debate.
It's almost like rape is a problem for sex workers and adult actors and Stormy Daniels is looking for publicity.
It's almost like Stormy Daniels slept with Donald Trump and didn't want to sleep with Roethlisberger.
It's almost like Roethlisberger assualted a girl in Georgia and Nevada ... wait that one is not up for debate.
its about money. always is. strange a simple phone call to the front desk would have stopped the whole thing. Guess that might have happened, why, maybe she wanted him as a trick.
Excelllent point. Her instincts proved pretty sharp here. It all seems pretty innocent, but who knows how it goes once he gets in the room.
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Stormy Daniels and her lawyer have been on CNN 100x times more (just for example) than someone like Monica Lewinsky was during her scandal.
Why would you say that is?
How would you say the media treated (in general) Monica Lewinsky vs someone like say Stormy Daniels and her lawyer?
Why do you think that is?
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
Great point.
It is bizarre to me that a large number of men would be so indoctrinated to walk on eggshells about really basic human issues. Layer that with the fact that there is this air of enlightenment of being on a higher plane of righteousness and the world is becoming more frustrating by the day.
All you need to do is use common sense. A violent rapist should have his balls cut off. A smarmy fat faced QB who wanted to bang a porn star and asked twice for a goodnight kiss isn't really someone who needs to be vilified for that action is he?
Now if you want to say he is an a-hole because of his other sexual assault transgressions then that is a different conversation, which we would all probably agree on, but as it relates to Stormy Daniels this is really a dumb conversation.
Contrary to popular belief, people who share my opinions on this stuff aren't heartless bastards. We just want the serious issues to be dealt with seriously and swiftly and some mechanism to be put in place to filter out the nonsense. Stormy Daniels should be ridiculed and publicly shamed for telling this dumb story about Ben, not hailed as some kind of feminist hero #metoo icon.
That's a great post - when you're not scoping out midwest gay clubs to try to out professional football players, maybe you should hit the talk show circuit, that's riveting.
Instant BBI HOF.
Joins this chart topper: "You have no credibility unless you cite a link from the internet because I can never trust what I read on BBI. Its just an internet site."
Why would you say that is?
How would you say the media treated (in general) Monica Lewinsky vs someone like say Stormy Daniels and her lawyer?
Why do you think that is?
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
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CNN had it's first broadcast on June 1, 1980. Lewinsky/Clinton had their sexual relationship between 1995 to 1997. It only hit the media in January of 1998. So CNN was on the air for 18 years when Monica's blue dress was getting aired out. But sure, CNN was in it's infancy.
cnn was a marginal outlet until the round the clock coverage of the Persian gulf war and OJ brought it to prominence
Using your examples, Desert Storm was 1991 and OJ's Trial was in 1995. I would think that CNN was well established if only after these two examples to air Monica's dirty dress in the media. I certainly remember the coverage.
My stance on this is pretty simple. Maybe she’s doing it for publicity, maybe she isn’t - none of us have any idea. But I’ve seen several comments devoid of sympathy due to her profession which is pretty sad, yet not shocking. If you swapped her with another semi-famous D list celebrity that didn’t do porn I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this thread probably shreds Roethlisberger to bits.
This times 1000. If it is any other female, the thread takes the turn it should have as a Big Ben roastathon. But because she is one of the giant orange infant’s enemies, BBI’s resident self-described free thinkers leap to his defense. RIP Self Awareness.
The whole point of her fame nauseates me, not solely because of her, obviously because of the President and his actions, but the media tripping over themselves to allocate more air time to her (and her lawyer) nauseates me as well.
It's possible, even though most of you don't have this capacity, to abhor all three famous people related to this story and realize that just because one loathsome person helps make a person you hate look worse doesn't make them any less loathsome.
My sympathy for Stormy Daniels existed at one time because when I first read her story no one should have to endure what she has, repeatedly raped by a neighbor as a child and she was allegedly abused and neglected beyond that. As a parent and as a human being it's heartbreaking to imagine a child going through that, but sympathy has limits and I no longer have sympathy for her because of how she a) exploits herself and b) capitalizes on it herself being exploited (and yes it's political but not IMO because of who the President is, if Monica Lewinsky was paraded on the networks describing her sexual tryst with the President at the time and the distinguishing shape of his genitals I'd weep similarly inside for the future of our country and journalism, and the media in general - but as we know she was not - she was shunned and made a pariah). Wonder why?
So, in this particular case I don't care what Stormy Daniels profession is (for the incident) or who the "assailant" was, it's a non-story to me with no-names attached, the names don't make it different. And yes, partly because of her profession and partly because of her character she doesn't have credibility with me.
So many people have said "because of her profession you feel she had it coming". had what coming? Someone made a pass at her. Why can't people say "If it wasn't Ben, would people care?" And flip the script.
And no they wouldn't care.
I have never defended Roethlisberger once as a human being, he's a POS who I wouldn't want alone in a room with any female, but in this case I don't see where people screaming for "justice" have any legitimate point other than group think and hysteria (which is typical for this place) or even beyond being creepy how to rip on Ben. What is there to say? he was rejected by a porn star. Even in her words I think Ben acted creepy probably even a little presumptuous and felt like she's a stripper/porn star she's going to have sex with me, sounds like she said no, he said come on, and she said no. That's literally the end of it.
What is the appropriate reaction for the BBI pitchfork mob here? "fucking rapelisberger. how dare he say "come on" to an initial rejection. He should be suspended by the NFL."
I read the OP, read the stories available, and IMO this is a PR stunt that shows Ben being creepy, but is really more to get his name associated with the book to sell copies and generate discussion.
The real clincher to not caring about this story for me came with the Intouch interview Daniels gave this past Winter where she initially recounted the incident with Roethlisberger, never once did she mentioned being afraid or terrified. Why not?
I never attacked her (maybe others did, I'm not re-reading this whole abomination of a thread). I'm just not sympathetic to this specific person and this specific incident.
Victims of sexual assault or even sexual misconduct deserve every ounce of consideration available to them (even if their accusation is decades old and seems to have ulterior motives). that's irrelevant, they deserve to be heard and their allegations taken seriously.
This is not that.
This is a PR stunt from someone selling a book. Even if Ben is the biggest piece of shit on the planet, this incident is not remotely criminal, even if she was terrified. Besides that, this incident, according to the article, took place in 2006, so Ben wasn't even "Serial Rapist Ben" he was still regular Ben, as far as she knew.
So while I never attacked her based on her own account of the incident it's an advance made to her by a big man, and she rejected it.
People like to add their own words, but in her words what exactly happened is:
1. A man walked her to her hotel room door, she never says if his was unwanted or not
2. the man asked for a kiss goodnight
3. She denied the overture and said he pushed her hotel room door lightly and said "come on"
4. she closed the door
5. he knocked a couple times on the door then left
what am I supposed to feel about this?
holy shit, how dare he? how dare he? in my best Corey Booker Spartacus impression?
Some of you need to stop watching CNN for a few days and realize there is a whole world out there that isn't told how to feel.
*This thread is already political, I just thought this was a funny pic and meant nothing political by it.
and you people eat it up like the coin operated lemmings you are.
Oh my god, Ben Roethlisberger frightened her when he asked for a kiss and lightly held the door open and said "come on". How dare he! How dare he! Maybe she should demand an FBI investigation of this decade old frightening.
Have a good evening with your woke selves.
Same people have repeatedly said "Blast her in the butt" over the years on various threads.
Apparently her use of "terrified" was purely to increase sales in her up coming book.
Perhaps if she used "scared" to describe how she felt it would have more accurately described how frightened she was.
And I have no idea what CNN has to do with this story.
Yes, I don't think like the rest of you, put me on a list somewhere and persecute me for not subscribing to group think.
And GTFO with your passive aggressive bullshit. say something or don't. "some poster revealed something about himself"
our forefathers are spinning in their f-ing graves.
I don't care if she said scared or terrified or frightened, it's the same BS. What should we do RinR? Should we get a mob together, "Come on everyone. let's go get Ben Roethlisberger. he scared someone by asking for a kiss goodnight. Come on, let's all get him"
Sorry, I dislike Ben as much as most people, but this is not worthy of the twitter mob the OP hoped for. But you have at it. Go get him (and me, I don't give a F)
My apologies.
And I'm not invested in this story ton early the extent you are but carry on.
And no they wouldn't care.
The real clincher to not caring about this story for me came with the Intouch interview Daniels gave this past Winter where she initially recounted the incident with Roethlisberger, never once did she mentioned being afraid or terrified. Why not?
I disagree with most of what you wrote, but also agree with some of it.
the main things that I disagree with are:
1. This happened years before Ben was accused of sexual assault. Maybe that's irrelevant to the incident, but not to the narrative of "there was a serial rapist outside her door" or "Ben had been suspended by the NFL for doing this to someone who didn't have a door between them to stop it". While Ben is a despicable, horrible human being, from the sounds of this in Stormy Daniels words if he wanted to get in her room he could have before she closed the door. Once that door is closed, what danger is a 8 foot 900 pound person standing outside the door (who knocked a couple times then left)? I spend a lot of time in hotels, since I a frequent work traveler, those doors don't open without a key (or a hackers tool - brute force doesn't help).
2. I never said I consider ALL porn stars or strippers to lack credibility. Just this one.
3. In the Intouch interview she brings up the Roethlisberger incident. Yes the interview was about the president, but she is the one who mentioned who she spent 15 - 20 minutes with Ben once the future President left and Ben walked her to her door. She brought that up but you think since she clearly name dropped to make the story more interesting, wouldn't it have been more interesting if she mentioned how terrified she was? I'm sure the interviewer would have cut her off and said "no, we only care about stuff with the president in this interview" /sarcasm
anyway, even if we differ on every single point, dialog and respectful discourse are important to our future.
We're dudes, that's just what we do. Don't be a pussy by considering her perception of your behavior. Look, if she actually thought you were going to hurt her, you would have actually done it. You're huge!
very funny coming from you