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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/23/2018 3:50 pm
We're alive!
Feels good ...  
short lease : 9/23/2018 3:51 pm : link
to hear that heartbeat.
Meaningful October games!  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/23/2018 3:52 pm : link
YEAH BABY!
Nice 180  
micky : 9/23/2018 3:52 pm : link
Got a much needed a under belt
Watch out, Saints!  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 3:52 pm : link
The Giants are coming!
Well look at that  
montanagiant : 9/23/2018 3:52 pm : link
Our immobile toasted QB just beat one of the highly touted "mobile" QBs. And did so by being fucking clutch
Love that clip of Eli celebrating  
mfsd : 9/23/2018 3:54 pm : link
anyone think he doesn’t enjoy shutting up his haters?
Crazy game....  
George from PA : 9/23/2018 3:54 pm : link
When you think, the Giants are dead and buried.....the OL played well enough.
Texas D-line had their moments but the OL did not let that control of game.

Thank you, Giants
how many games did we waste  
SHO'NUFF : 9/23/2018 3:55 pm : link
by not benching Flowers in the first place?
How about Wynn!?  
micky : 9/23/2018 3:55 pm : link
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RE: How about Wynn!?  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 3:58 pm : link
In comment 14090899 micky said:
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Dude was lights out today
RE: how many games did we waste  
short lease : 9/23/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14090895 SHO'NUFF said:
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by not benching Flowers in the first place?


I was thinking the same thing - even going back to last year?
RE: RE: How about Wynn!?  
short lease : 9/23/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14090909 Anakim said:
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Dude was lights out today


Defensive MVP.
RE: how many games did we waste  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14090895 SHO'NUFF said:
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by not benching Flowers in the first place?


Wheeler wasn't perfect (in fact he wasn't really even that good, but he did play against JJ Watt), but at least he was competent and tried out there. Flowers blows and has a shitty attitude to boot. Fuck that guy, and I say that as a Miami Hurricanes fan. Flowers was, is and always will be garbage.
RE: how many games did we waste  
Geomon : 9/23/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14090895 SHO'NUFF said:
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by not benching Flowers in the first place?

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Snacks  
M.S. : 9/23/2018 4:01 pm : link
Injury?
Finally a win, I love it.  
jamison884 : 9/23/2018 4:01 pm : link
But we're getting eaten alive when the defense blitzes. They need to work on that specifically and have a quicker read downfield or something because when they faced a blitz, so many of the plays were pressure/sack or check down.
RE: RE: How about Wynn!?  
micky : 9/23/2018 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14090909 Anakim said:
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Dude was lights out today


He showed in preseason something good..glad he's come around
Texans racked up a lot of passing yards, some in garbage time  
mfsd : 9/23/2018 4:03 pm : link
But we held the best rushing team in the league to 59 yards, 36 by Watson scrambling. Our DL was in beast mode today
What a relief.  
Rick5 : 9/23/2018 4:03 pm : link
All I have wanted since the beginning was no 0-3 start.
But, but, but  
Hsilwek92 : 9/23/2018 4:04 pm : link
I thought Watson was going to tear the Giants apart?

Fucking pathetic pussies.
This win feels great!  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/23/2018 4:04 pm : link
Matt Ryan torched the Saints today. Can the Giants do the same next week?
Feels like it's been AGES since this team won a game.  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/23/2018 4:04 pm : link
Texans suck, but we'll take it.
Holy shit we WON!  
NYerInMA : 9/23/2018 4:04 pm : link
Apparently Flowers was the problem all along!
Feels pretty great  
Kyle in NY : 9/23/2018 4:04 pm : link
First meaningful win in two seasons. Some great things to build off for the offense. Heading home next week, let’s roll
The Texans took our OL off the hook  
BillT : 9/23/2018 4:04 pm : link
By rushing only 4 and playing standard run defense they gave the offense life. When they did that we scored 20. When they brought pressure in the 2nd half we scored 7. Thank you.
Best thing about the game..  
Sean : 9/23/2018 4:05 pm : link
the offensive drive up 20-15 to cement the game. Very happy for Eli!
That was a good win on the road  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/23/2018 4:05 pm : link
Lets enjoy it.
RE: How about Wynn!?  
bigbluescot : 9/23/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 14090899 micky said:
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I never really got the criticism of Wynn. He's not much of a pass rusher but he set the edge probably better than anyone we have, and in this system where he's just DE he's a very decent if a bit one dimensional player. And he's paid buttons. If he's the 45th player on your roster it's not a bad thing given the fact he's also a good special teamer.
...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/23/2018 4:05 pm : link
Interesting  
GiantEgo : 9/23/2018 4:06 pm : link
How the Texans stink now. They were hailed as an unstoppable force on BBI all week.
Eli to BBI :  
Stu11 : 9/23/2018 4:06 pm : link
"Hows my ass taste"?
RE: The Texans took our OL off the hook  
short lease : 9/23/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 14090947 BillT said:
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By rushing only 4 and playing standard run defense they gave the offense life. When they did that we scored 20. When they brought pressure in the 2nd half we scored 7. Thank you.


So? Now you are criticizing the type of win it was? Coaching is part of the game too.
RE: Best thing about the game..  
micky : 9/23/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14090949 Sean said:
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the offensive drive up 20-15 to cement the game. Very happy for Eli!


Yes..after punting after the half first couple possessions..got going when had to..do this games..answer in adversity..w's will be more likely and often
Maybe people will finally let things play out for once  
UConn4523 : 9/23/2018 4:08 pm : link
before making final judgements on the season. I have no idea where the Giants end up, but it’s certainly going to be an interesting season.
RE: The Texans took our OL off the hook  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14090947 BillT said:
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By rushing only 4 and playing standard run defense they gave the offense life. When they did that we scored 20. When they brought pressure in the 2nd half we scored 7. Thank you.


You mean when the Giants needed a score and they got one on their last drive?

Some people are never happy.
Oline  
LeftHook : 9/23/2018 4:08 pm : link
Well the left side held up. Need to work on the right side with some help.
RE: RE: How about Wynn!?  
Simms11 : 9/23/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14090909 Anakim said:
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Dude was lights out today


Guess who’s starting next week?!
Always liked Wynn  
Bluesbreaker : 9/23/2018 4:10 pm : link
Never knocked the guy many here did !
Walt Coleman needs to retire !
I didn't like the missile shots at the legs ...
Eli was solid the O-line played better as a group .
Not gonna bash Flowers he isn't the only OT failure in the
top 10 blame JR
Barkley is as advertised .. he came close to breaking off
a long one earlier in the game love the way he went after
the ball in the air !
We missed Apple for sure FS still an issue
Wheeler did alright but he was over-matched had his moments . Eli finally looked comfortable
still had issues with stunts and blitzes but
We Won thats all that matters
Nice game by Shepard except one dumb penalty .
Feels good to win period !
Wynn had some tackles  
mrvax : 9/23/2018 4:10 pm : link
that reminded me of LT. Great game.
OBJ being OBJ. Shepard clutch. Ellison not bad. Wheeler got schooled but he should get better.
Eli played very well. 25/29 297 2td 0INT.

RE: RE: The Texans took our OL off the hook  
BillT : 9/23/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14090960 short lease said:
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By rushing only 4 and playing standard run defense they gave the offense life. When they did that we scored 20. When they brought pressure in the 2nd half we scored 7. Thank you.



So? Now you are criticizing the type of win it was? Coaching is part of the game too.

Which is exactly what I pointed out.
RE: RE: how many games did we waste  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/23/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14090914 Anakim said:
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by not benching Flowers in the first place?



Wheeler wasn't perfect (in fact he wasn't really even that good, but he did play against JJ Watt), but at least he was competent and tried out there. Flowers blows and has a shitty attitude to boot. Fuck that guy, and I say that as a Miami Hurricanes fan. Flowers was, is and always will be garbage.


I need our coaching staff to have better situational awareness. It was fine when Wheels handled is own earlier, but one Watt in a groove he should have held!
RE: RE: RE: how many games did we waste  
Mdgiantsfan : 9/23/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 14090981 Mdgiantsfan said:
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by not benching Flowers in the first place?



Wheeler wasn't perfect (in fact he wasn't really even that good, but he did play against JJ Watt), but at least he was competent and tried out there. Flowers blows and has a shitty attitude to boot. Fuck that guy, and I say that as a Miami Hurricanes fan. Flowers was, is and always will be garbage.



I need our coaching staff to have better situational awareness. It was fine when Wheels handled is own earlier, but one Watt in a groove he should have held!

had help that is
Also this just in  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:11 pm : link
Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.
RE: RE: The Texans took our OL off the hook  
BillT : 9/23/2018 4:12 pm : link
In comment 14090968 RobCarpenter said:
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By rushing only 4 and playing standard run defense they gave the offense life. When they did that we scored 20. When they brought pressure in the 2nd half we scored 7. Thank you.



You mean when the Giants needed a score and they got one on their last drive?

Some people are never happy.

I’m happy but I’m not ignoring the obvious either.
It's a win  
Carson53 : 9/23/2018 4:12 pm : link
much better than an 0-3 start, not much of an upgrade at RT, but they got a W.
Offense looked good in the first half, good late drive.
Any news on Snacks, was holding his head late in the game on the bench, as the camera showed. Engram has a knee...
RE: Also this just in  
Simms11 : 9/23/2018 4:14 pm : link
In comment 14090984 RobCarpenter said:
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Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.


That was a great catch and Shurmur is definitely a guy willing to take risks as that was 3rd down and 1. They could have just handed the ball to Barkley there, but it was a great call as it worked.
This is what winning feels like?  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 9/23/2018 4:14 pm : link
Where are the bud light refrigerators? Let's fucking go baby! Great win! Eli played great. Offense played good (most of the day)

IDGAF. Just win baby.
Safe to say  
mrvax : 9/23/2018 4:14 pm : link
Gettleman and Shurmur can stay another week.
Either Wynn has matured a a player or  
Simms11 : 9/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
he is much better in the 3 - 4
Barkey  
Simms : 9/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
I hope his has a long, healthy, and successful career wearing giants blue and erases all of Tiki's records.
A  
AcidTest : 9/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
huge and unexpected win.

Positives.

Eli was extremely accurate.
Barkley ran well, and caught a critical pass on the last TD drive.
The run D was excellent, and we forced two turnovers. Wynn and Harrison had monster games. Carter, Hill, and Edwards were also solid.
The OL opened some holes.
Covered Hopkins and Fuller well, despite only having three CBs.
Rosas was terrific.

Negatives.

No downfield plays.
The OL seemed to collapse in the second half, magnified by Eli's immobility. Wheeler was absolutely abused by Watt the entire day.
Muffed a punt, and of course no return yardage.
Too conservative on many plays. Four consecutive punts in the second half, including after each TO.
Didn't give Wheeler help on every pass play. He should rarely have been left alone on JJ Watt.
Couldn't defend the middle of the field.
Had trouble keeping contain.

We still have work to do.
Looks like they gave Carter  
Andy in Boston : 9/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
A sack - 1st nfl sack
Micky  
idiotsavant : 9/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
What do you mean 'come around'?

Wynn was a udfa (one nobody ever had heard of other than some dork here (hello) , a udfa who contributed some from the get go.

Now he's in a DL centric system that kicks ass.
Eli  
Thegratefulhead : 9/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
Was very good today, hats off to him. I must admit I did not believe he had it in him anymore. That last touchdown Drive is what has been missing from his repertoire. Now we just need some consistency let's do it some more. Playing very meaningful game next week, 2 and 2 changes everything. 1 and 3 will suck. Great job.
RE: RE: Also this just in  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14090993 Simms11 said:
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Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.



That was a great catch and Shurmur is definitely a guy willing to take risks as that was 3rd down and 1. They could have just handed the ball to Barkley there, but it was a great call as it worked.


It was absolutely the right call. Other teams throw downfield on 3rd and short, it’s about time the Giants did.
RE: Looks like they gave Carter  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14091006 Andy in Boston said:
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A sack - 1st nfl sack


Indeed he did
Haha  
Joey in VA : 9/23/2018 4:19 pm : link
I had the winning feeling all week. The defense was amazing today, fun to watch.
RE: Either Wynn has matured a a player or  
bigbluescot : 9/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14091002 Simms11 said:
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he is much better in the 3 - 4


As a DE in a 3-4 his primary responsibility is against the run. He's always been pretty good as a run defender. Any pass rush or pass defense he can generate, and he can generate a wee bit is a bonus. He's also a very good and willing special teamer.
RE: Eli  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14091011 Thegratefulhead said:
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Was very good today, hats off to him. I must admit I did not believe he had it in him anymore. That last touchdown Drive is what has been missing from his repertoire. Now we just need some consistency let's do it some more. Playing very meaningful game next week, 2 and 2 changes everything. 1 and 3 will suck. Great job.


If Shepard didn’t drop Eli’s pass in the Jax game then who knows, maybe they’d have scored a TD & beaten Jax.

Against Dallas the OL was a complete disaster and Eli could not establish a rhythm.

Second highest completion percentage in Eli’s career.
A Good Defense  
clatterbuck : 9/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
should be considerably better with Olivier Vernon. Hope he's back and at full strength asap.
RE: A  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14091005 AcidTest said:
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huge and unexpected win.

Positives.

Eli was extremely accurate.
Barkley ran well, and caught a critical pass on the last TD drive.
The run D was excellent, and we forced two turnovers. Wynn and Harrison had monster games. Carter, Hill, and Edwards were also solid.
The OL opened some holes.
Covered Hopkins and Fuller well, despite only having three CBs.
Rosas was terrific.

Negatives.

No downfield plays.
The OL seemed to collapse in the second half, magnified by Eli's immobility. Wheeler was absolutely abused by Watt the entire day.
Muffed a punt, and of course no return yardage.
Too conservative on many plays. Four consecutive punts in the second half, including after each TO.
Didn't give Wheeler help on every pass play. He should rarely have been left alone on JJ Watt.
Couldn't defend the middle of the field.
Had trouble keeping contain.

We still have work to do.


Here's another negative:

Curtis Riley sucks balls
Tons of credit to Shurmer today....  
Tesla : 9/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
fantastic play calling and even better play designs. The Eli roll-outs were incredibly well designed and called at the perfect times.
RE: Either Wynn has matured a a player or  
dpinzow : 9/23/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14091002 Simms11 said:
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he is much better in the 3 - 4


Wynn is a large defensive end who doesn’t rush the passer much but can stop the run, so it makes sense he’s playing better in this scheme

Nice win and takes the pressure off. I think they play well next week and keep it going
Thrilled for Eli.  
bceagle05 : 9/23/2018 4:25 pm : link
That's my quarterback *sniff sniff*
This is a very good defense  
eclipz928 : 9/23/2018 4:26 pm : link
It's been burdened by the fact that the offense up until this point hasn't done well maintaining drives and controlling the clock. I'm excited to see the potential of the defense if they can get healthy with Vernon and Apply being available.
a win  
mdc1 : 9/23/2018 4:28 pm : link
build on it.
Did Clowney play today?  
Eman11 : 9/23/2018 4:28 pm : link
I'm sure I saw him out there but didn't hear his name called often if at all. Good job by the line taking him out of the game.
Best game by Eli in a long time.....  
Dry Lightning : 9/23/2018 4:30 pm : link
Good to get a win. This season should be about the arrow pointing up when it ends.
RE: Always liked Wynn  
NYBlueinPA : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14090976 Bluesbreaker said:
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Never knocked the guy many here did !
Walt Coleman needs to retire !
I didn't like the missile shots at the legs ...
Eli was solid the O-line played better as a group .
Not gonna bash Flowers he isn't the only OT failure in the
top 10 blame JR
Barkley is as advertised .. he came close to breaking off
a long one earlier in the game love the way he went after
the ball in the air !
We missed Apple for sure FS still an issue
Wheeler did alright but he was over-matched had his moments . Eli finally looked comfortable
still had issues with stunts and blitzes but
We Won thats all that matters
Nice game by Shepard except one dumb penalty .
Feels good to win period !


+1
would add....
Greco made the difference on OL, Wheeler stepped up.
+2 turnovers wins games
Think they can survive EE out for some time if needed.
Nice win but it IS the Texans
Wynn is a beast, gets game ball!
Love the rookie impact. This draft one of best in years.
Caught replay of first half didnt see  
micky : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
No flags whole half esp on offensive line.

Very nice
Sam Darnold  
KWhite2250 : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread
Texans probably wanted  
bc4life : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
to get pressure with 4. Giants have a lot of weapons if you send more than that and Eli has time. Probably were more effective due to added pressure.

Wheelers baptism under fire today - we'll see where is learning curve is now.
RE: Sam Darnold  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/23/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14091062 KWhite2250 said:
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Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread


Don't forget the other 3. Allen looked good today, too.
The cornerbacks were a pleasant surprise.  
jogo1 : 9/23/2018 4:37 pm : link
Looked like a big mismatch on paper, especially with the line not getting to the QB enough.
RE: Did Clowney play today?  
eclipz928 : 9/23/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14091056 Eman11 said:
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I'm sure I saw him out there but didn't hear his name called often if at all. Good job by the line taking him out of the game.

It appeared that the Giants gave Solder help with him during most of the game. If people are wondering why Wheeler was mostly left alone against JJ Watt, that's likely the biggest reason why.
Great game by Eli today  
AcesUp : 9/23/2018 4:41 pm : link
That last drive to nail it was vintage. The team as a whole does need to play better, this Texans team may be pretty bad. This is a step in the right direction though.

I'm optimistic for next week, we could be catching the Saints at the perfect time after this OT game.
RE: Did Clowney play today?  
bluepepper : 9/23/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14091056 Eman11 said:
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I'm sure I saw him out there but didn't hear his name called often if at all. Good job by the line taking him out of the game.

Blew up a couple of plays if you count the Solder holding that negated the OBJ first down in the 3rd quarter (I think that was him). Other than that very quiet. Not sure he was healthy.
Great win.  
mittenedman : 9/23/2018 4:47 pm : link
2 quibbles:

*Thought Shurmur had 2 tactical screw ups that couldve costed the Giants big: rushing the play before the 2 minute warning in the 1st half

And

*Not running Barkley from under center after the OBJ 1st down in the 4th quarter.

Shurmur knows football but he’s an inexperienced HC who didnt look like he had a feel for closing out a win.
Shepard on last TD  
Bleedin Blue : 9/23/2018 4:48 pm : link
“Eli got me Hyped up!” “He told me in the huddle, you catch this we win”
Wow he is a rah rah guy! Fuck Boomer and his ass clown Gio playing the Andy Griffith theme song every time they play a quote from Eli!
He got time today and he played the way he CAN play, when protected!
RE: Well look at that  
Montreal Man : 9/23/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14090880 montanagiant said:
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Our immobile toasted QB just beat one of the highly touted "mobile" QBs. And did so by being fucking clutch


Clutch and protected and pinpoint throws. Who says he can't do it anymore!??? Listening on the Sirius sports on the way back from the game, two announcers were giving out the scores and when the guy gave the Giants score he said in an I-told-you-so attitude, "See what happens when you give Eli some protection." YESSSSSS!
RE: Great win.  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14091111 mittenedman said:
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2 quibbles:

*Thought Shurmur had 2 tactical screw ups that couldve costed the Giants big: rushing the play before the 2 minute warning in the 1st half

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*Not running Barkley from under center after the OBJ 1st down in the 4th quarter.

Shurmur knows football but he’s an inexperienced HC who didnt look like he had a feel for closing out a win.


I don’t understand this last comment. The TD drive by the Giants sealed the win.
A great win,  
BIGbluegermany : 9/23/2018 5:01 pm : link
this team shows it really wants to win!!It was a step in the right direction and they're nowhere near perfection,but at the end of the day it was fun to watch this game!!!

Go Giants
RE: Sam Darnold  
jintsjunkie : 9/23/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14091062 KWhite2250 said:
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Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread


LOL!
Eli and the Whole football team  
BigBlueGuy : 9/23/2018 5:04 pm : link
Eli played great and the defense did a great job against the Texas horrible OL they are actually worse than ours. Great job now let’s put a streak together. Go Giants!
Eli’s completion pct. has to  
Big Blue '56 : 9/23/2018 5:07 pm : link
be his all-time best I would think. Almost Simms-like(SB XXI)
Nevermind.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/23/2018 5:09 pm : link
I just saw a post on another thread indicating it was his second best
RE: Eli and the Whole football team  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/23/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14091174 BigBlueGuy said:
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Eli played great and the defense did a great job against the Texas horrible OL they are actually worse than ours. Great job now let’s put a streak together. Go Giants!
Texans had the top rushing offense in the league but their OL is the worst in the league?
The win is great, but now we have to worry about  
GeofromNJ : 9/23/2018 5:17 pm : link
EE's injury and Washington. Peterson who had a terrific day. 120 yards and 2 TDs.
Sam Darnold  
Bill in TN : 9/23/2018 5:17 pm : link
Yes, Sam Darnold.
Bill O’Brien will be the first coach fired  
jeff57 : 9/23/2018 5:20 pm : link
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RE: The win is great, but now we have to worry about  
Eman11 : 9/23/2018 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14091212 GeofromNJ said:
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EE's injury and Washington. Peterson who had a terrific day. 120 yards and 2 TDs.


I'm not worried about Washington. I'm worried about Snacks. If he's healthy, AP isn't a factor when they meet up.
Last week they tried to force feed Barkley  
Vanzetti : 9/23/2018 5:27 pm : link
This week they used all their weapons and SB got his yards in the flow of the offense

Great job by Shurmur and Shula. It would have been esasy to crawl under a rock and just try to run the ball a lot after last week's breakdowns in pass pro. But they came out attacking and spread the ball around

I truly had no idea whether they were going to pass or run most downs. They really mixed it up
Watching Gameday live  
Defense56 : 9/23/2018 5:28 pm : link
you would think the Giants didn't play today. I've seen the 1 o'clock games cycle through twice with no highlights of the game.
RE: I truly had no idea whether they were going to pass or run  
Trainmaster : 9/23/2018 5:36 pm : link
^^^
This

And a very good thing it is!
Eli had a great game. Good for him.  
Watson : 9/23/2018 5:38 pm : link
Congratulations to Coach Pat Shurmer for his 1st win as Head Coach of the New York Football Giants.
I'm not that impressed with Watson  
jnoble : 9/23/2018 5:48 pm : link
If it wasn't for his legs he would've had a pretty bad game
I'm happy we won  
Banks : 9/23/2018 5:52 pm : link
though I did bet against them on my parlays and may have just cost myself a couple grand. I'll trade that for a win
Eli  
Thegratefulhead : 9/23/2018 5:57 pm : link
Was very good today, hats off to him. I must admit I did not believe he had it in him anymore. That last touchdown Drive is what has been missing from his repertoire. Now we just need some consistency let's do it some more. Playing very meaningful game next week, 2 and 2 changes everything. 1 and 3 will suck. Great job.
RE: Also this just in  
Ralph.C : 9/23/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14090984 RobCarpenter said:
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Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.


Tiki was a terrific receiver
RE: Shepard on last TD  
trueblueinpw : 9/23/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14091112 Bleedin Blue said:
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“Eli got me Hyped up!” “He told me in the huddle, you catch this we win”
Wow he is a rah rah guy! Fuck Boomer and his ass clown Gio playing the Andy Griffith theme song every time they play a quote from Eli!
He got time today and he played the way he CAN play, when protected!


Did you see how pumped up Eli was after the TD? I fucking love Eli. Always have, always will.
Does Boomer really do that on his show?  
BBelle21 : 9/23/2018 6:12 pm : link
That’s just pathetic. He’s always been envious of Eli’s success in this town. It’s pretty transparent
Just read through the comments and I didn't see  
Diver_Down : 9/23/2018 6:13 pm : link
B.J. Hill mentioned. His bull-rush on the LT and subsequent sack of Watson was bully beautiful. He absolutely ran over the LT who looked 2x Hill's size.
RE: Tons of credit to Shurmer today....  
Justlurking : 9/23/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14091037 Tesla said:
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fantastic play calling and even better play designs. The Eli roll-outs were incredibly well designed and called at the perfect times.


Agree. Heard all about this during training camp. Glad to see them incorporating it.

Defense seems like it is for real. Not ‘86 or ‘07 but looks like its a stout unit. Next week vs Brees should be a real good measuring stick.

Team showed some balls i did not think it had. Hopefully they can build off this and shut people like me up.
RE: The cornerbacks were a pleasant surprise.  
Justlurking : 9/23/2018 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14091082 jogo1 said:
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Looked like a big mismatch on paper, especially with the line not getting to the QB enough.


This is what scared me the most going into the game. Very impressed with how they played. Jackrabbit was fantastic today.
RE: Just read through the comments and I didn't see  
Justlurking : 9/23/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 14091344 Diver_Down said:
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B.J. Hill mentioned. His bull-rush on the LT and subsequent sack of Watson was bully beautiful. He absolutely ran over the LT who looked 2x Hill's size.


Hill looks like a keeper. The three big dudes up front have been as good as advertised.
RE: Just read through the comments and I didn't see  
bceagle05 : 9/23/2018 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14091344 Diver_Down said:
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B.J. Hill mentioned. His bull-rush on the LT and subsequent sack of Watson was bully beautiful. He absolutely ran over the LT who looked 2x Hill's size.


Barkley, Hernandez, Carter and Hill have the makings of a damn good draft class. Obviously Lauletta is a wild card. That's a huge positive in a sea of negativity over the past few years.
RE: RE: Also this just in  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14091316 Ralph.C said:
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Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.



Tiki was a terrific receiver


He wasn’t even close to Barkley in terms of receiving skills.
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Danny Kanell : 9/23/2018 6:36 pm : link
Feels really good to get a meaningful win. It’s been a while.
RE: Last week they tried to force feed Barkley  
D_Giants : 9/23/2018 6:44 pm : link
In comment 14091239 Vanzetti said:
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This week they used all their weapons and SB got his yards in the flow of the offense

Great job by Shurmur and Shula. It would have been esasy to crawl under a rock and just try to run the ball a lot after last week's breakdowns in pass pro. But they came out attacking and spread the ball around

I truly had no idea whether they were going to pass or run most downs. They really mixed it up


The offense looked better than it has all year. In the third quarter, Shurmur’s playcalling seemed to get needlessly conservative. It is a good thing that the Giants scored that TD near game end (sole points of the second half) because we would have been staring at a record of 0-3.

Shurmur seems to have the same tendency McAdoo had as HC-offensive playcaller: to put the burden of victory on the defense when the team has have even a marginal lead. I this game, the Texans had an unanswered TD and FG in the second half until the Giants finally scored. I hope my obsevation is incorrect, but only time will tell.
Secondary is a bit concerning in Zone D......  
Simms11 : 9/23/2018 7:09 pm : link
we’re also still having problems covering TEs and RBs. I know we got a pick today covering the RB, but for the most part, it’s been bad. Next week we have a very difficult offense coming in to defend. Thankfully the game is in our stadium, but even that may not be enough to secure a win against that explosive Offense. Bree’s looks like a kid out there still?! A win next week against another conference opponent would be HUGE and put us right back into the mix. The NFC is not a great conference. The only team I see really making noise is the Rams.
very happy with the win  
Rory : 9/23/2018 7:14 pm : link
but ecstatic with how they won.

road game, young mobile QB with a dangerous WR core and were down a starting CB. Last years team doesn't win that matchup.

Also rookie right tackle going up against a future HOF pass rusher who was getting snaps off to rest.

Also a big fuck you if you said Eli was the problem.
RE: RE: how many games did we waste  
GoDeep13 : 9/23/2018 7:24 pm : link
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by not benching Flowers in the first place?



Wheeler wasn't perfect (in fact he wasn't really even that good, but he did play against JJ Watt), but at least he was competent and tried out there. Flowers blows and has a shitty attitude to boot. Fuck that guy, and I say that as a Miami Hurricanes fan. Flowers was, is and always will be garbage.
the difference being that Wheeler gets beat in 2 seconds while Flowers gets beat immediately. Those two seconds make a world of difference.
RE: Secondary is a bit concerning in Zone D......  
jnoble : 9/23/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14091468 Simms11 said:
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we’re also still having problems covering TEs and RBs. I know we got a pick today covering the RB, but for the most part, it’s been bad. Next week we have a very difficult offense coming in to defend. Thankfully the game is in our stadium, but even that may not be enough to secure a win against that explosive Offense. Bree’s looks like a kid out there still?! A win next week against another conference opponent would be HUGE and put us right back into the mix. The NFC is not a great conference. The only team I see really making noise is the Rams.


Doesn't it seem like every season, no matter who we have out there playing or who is the coach or who is the DC, the other teams TEs and WRs are ALWAYS left running WIDE OPEN down the middle of the field especially late with the game on the line?
F'in ponderous
I apologize if this was answered already  
Jay on the Island : 9/23/2018 7:39 pm : link
but was Wheeler working as the starting RT all week in practice?
RE: But, but, but  
santacruzom : 9/23/2018 7:40 pm : link
In comment 14090941 Hsilwek92 said:
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I thought Watson was going to tear the Giants apart?

Fucking pathetic pussies.


To be fair, he did... we just tore them apart more!
Eli is now 4-0 against Houston all time  
djm : 9/23/2018 7:41 pm : link
An nyg game I always remember fondly was another road win in houston back in 2010. That Texans team was actually pretty good at the time they played each other in early October. Texans were 3-1. Giants rolled in their and destroyed them. Texans bounced back one week later but the wheels inevitably fell off and they limped to a 6-10 record. Giants went 10-6 and that was one of the bigger more impressive wins of that season, early on. Maybe history repeats..
So what now with Flowers?  
santacruzom : 9/23/2018 7:41 pm : link
I have to think they aren't eager to even have him on the roster as a backup.

Would they actually cut him mid week?
RE: RE: Sam Darnold  
GeofromNJ : 9/23/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 14091173 jintsjunkie said:
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Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread



LOL!

For me, the issue was never Sam Darnold vs. Barkley. It was always Josh Allen vs. Barkley. We will know as the season moves along (and certainly by next year) whether the Giants should have taken Allen rather than Barkley. Barkley is a great talent, but I wanted Allen.
I’m very surprised OBJ doesn’t have  
Simms11 : 9/23/2018 7:44 pm : link
a TD yet this year?! Hopefully he gets at least one next week.
RE: I apologize if this was answered already  
mrvax : 9/23/2018 7:45 pm : link
In comment 14091511 Jay on the Island said:
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but was Wheeler working as the starting RT all week in practice?


I read somewhere that he was.
RE: So what now with Flowers?  
jnoble : 9/23/2018 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14091516 santacruzom said:
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I have to think they aren't eager to even have him on the roster as a backup.

Would they actually cut him mid week?

Given his experience and the lack of o-line depth, they'd be stupid to cut him now. If Wheeler goes down, they need someone to go in there who wasn't literally pulled off the street and handed a jersey
RE: RE: RE: Sam Darnold  
mrvax : 9/23/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 14091517 GeofromNJ said:
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For me, the issue was never Sam Darnold vs. Barkley. It was always Josh Allen vs. Barkley. We will know as the season moves along (and certainly by next year) whether the Giants should have taken Allen rather than Barkley. Barkley is a great talent, but I wanted Allen.


Oddly enough, Allen was the 1 QB I didn't want. I see a Webb clone in him.
how about the left side of the line.  
madgiantscow009 : 9/23/2018 7:51 pm : link
didn't notice them today which is usually good.
RE: RE: Secondary is a bit concerning in Zone D......  
Rory : 9/23/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 14091505 jnoble said:
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we’re also still having problems covering TEs and RBs. I know we got a pick today covering the RB, but for the most part, it’s been bad. Next week we have a very difficult offense coming in to defend. Thankfully the game is in our stadium, but even that may not be enough to secure a win against that explosive Offense. Bree’s looks like a kid out there still?! A win next week against another conference opponent would be HUGE and put us right back into the mix. The NFC is not a great conference. The only team I see really making noise is the Rams.



Doesn't it seem like every season, no matter who we have out there playing or who is the coach or who is the DC, the other teams TEs and WRs are ALWAYS left running WIDE OPEN down the middle of the field especially late with the game on the line?
F'in ponderous


Are you not watching other games? It’s the whole league not just the Giants, it’s the way the game is played now.

DBs played well today
RE: So what now with Flowers?  
FStubbs : 9/23/2018 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14091516 santacruzom said:
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I have to think they aren't eager to even have him on the roster as a backup.

Would they actually cut him mid week?


Have him backup the tackles and maybe try him out at guard during practice.
3rd and 1, biggest moment of the game  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/23/2018 8:05 pm : link
we split our 230lb RB with sequoia tree trunks for legs out wide and converted an easy 15yd completion to him to essentially ice the game.

That was the most enjoyable Giants offensive play I've seen in what feels like forever. THAT was why we drafted this guy. The part that really excites me is how confident Shurmur must have been in Barkley's abilities to dial that call up in such a crucial situation.

Also, I believe Barkley running a deep route is what opened up the left sideline so much for Shepard to start that final drive off with his big catch and run.

Barkley is a great receiver but his "record-breaking" 14 catch performance last week felt hollow. He didn't record as many catches this week, but it felt so awesome to see his receiving ability make such a substantial impact on the Game-Icing Drive today.
RE: 3rd and 1, biggest moment of the game  
bigbluescot : 9/23/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 14091553 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:
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we split our 230lb RB with sequoia tree trunks for legs out wide and converted an easy 15yd completion to him to essentially ice the game.

That was the most enjoyable Giants offensive play I've seen in what feels like forever. THAT was why we drafted this guy. The part that really excites me is how confident Shurmur must have been in Barkley's abilities to dial that call up in such a crucial situation.

Also, I believe Barkley running a deep route is what opened up the left sideline so much for Shepard to start that final drive off with his big catch and run.

Barkley is a great receiver but his "record-breaking" 14 catch performance last week felt hollow. He didn't record as many catches this week, but it felt so awesome to see his receiving ability make such a substantial impact on the Game-Icing Drive today.


I almost think our best passing look should be to line up early with Barkley in the back field, then split him out late where he's essentially one on one with a LB. We generally have decent mismatches in the slot with Beckham or Shepard, if Engram is there leaking from the TE spot then spreading out should be murder for the defense.
Flowers doesn’t move on unless they have an alternative.  
Ivan15 : 9/23/2018 8:33 pm : link
Right now, no one on the roster or practice squad can play RT, except Wheeler or maybe Greco.
Flowers doesn’t move on unless they have an alternative.  
Ivan15 : 9/23/2018 8:34 pm : link
Right now, no one on the roster or practice squad can play RT, except Wheeler or maybe Greco.
Next up the Saints  
gmenrule : 9/23/2018 8:36 pm : link
who have no defense. Will be high-scoring game but at least we have a shot at stopping Brees a few times. We can match them for points.
RE: RE: I apologize if this was answered already  
Jay on the Island : 9/23/2018 8:38 pm : link
In comment 14091522 mrvax said:
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but was Wheeler working as the starting RT all week in practice?



I read somewhere that he was.

Thanks, if Flowers was working with the starters all week and then was benched for the game it would say to me that something happened in either the locker room or in team meetings. Flowers can either learn from this and work harder in the event that he gets on the field again or he can just continue doing what he has been doing. Hopefully Wheeler can improve as the season progresses so that he is a real solid option to remain the starter next season. That would allow the Giants to focus on upgrading RG and C during the offseason.
Great all around team win...  
M.S. : 9/23/2018 8:38 pm : link

...amazing the multiplicative power of Eli, OBJ and Barkley when the O-line performs well!

Defense stoned the run and two VERY HUGE turnovers at critical moments in second half when the tide was turning.

A fantastic win that feels like a million bucks.

One small quibble... would sure like to see our defense cover someone over the middle. And how high are the safeties playing... at times looked like center field outside the ballpark.

One last thing... Texas has a fucking punk ass secondary with their fucking submarine knee hits. Giants should have gone after these bastards.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sam Darnold  
GeofromNJ : 9/23/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 14091526 mrvax said:
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For me, the issue was never Sam Darnold vs. Barkley. It was always Josh Allen vs. Barkley. We will know as the season moves along (and certainly by next year) whether the Giants should have taken Allen rather than Barkley. Barkley is a great talent, but I wanted Allen.



Oddly enough, Allen was the 1 QB I didn't want. I see a Webb clone in him.
Did you see what Allen did today against Minnesota? I don't think he resembled Webb all that much. More like Elway.
Huge shoutout to coach Shurmur  
Jay on the Island : 9/23/2018 8:52 pm : link
and James Bettcher. The Giants came out focused today and did not resemble the team that quit early last season.
RE: RE: 3rd and 1, biggest moment of the game  
giantstock : 9/23/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 14091577 bigbluescot said:
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we split our 230lb RB with sequoia tree trunks for legs out wide and converted an easy 15yd completion to him to essentially ice the game.

That was the most enjoyable Giants offensive play I've seen in what feels like forever. THAT was why we drafted this guy. The part that really excites me is how confident Shurmur must have been in Barkley's abilities to dial that call up in such a crucial situation.

Also, I believe Barkley running a deep route is what opened up the left sideline so much for Shepard to start that final drive off with his big catch and run.

Barkley is a great receiver but his "record-breaking" 14 catch performance last week felt hollow. He didn't record as many catches this week, but it felt so awesome to see his receiving ability make such a substantial impact on the Game-Icing Drive today.



I almost think our best passing look should be to line up early with Barkley in the back field, then split him out late where he's essentially one on one with a LB. We generally have decent mismatches in the slot with Beckham or Shepard, if Engram is there leaking from the TE spot then spreading out should be murder for the defense.


I love SB getting passes downfield rather than dumpoffs.

Nice win today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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