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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/23/2018 3:50 pm
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A  
AcidTest : 9/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
huge and unexpected win.

Positives.

Eli was extremely accurate.
Barkley ran well, and caught a critical pass on the last TD drive.
The run D was excellent, and we forced two turnovers. Wynn and Harrison had monster games. Carter, Hill, and Edwards were also solid.
The OL opened some holes.
Covered Hopkins and Fuller well, despite only having three CBs.
Rosas was terrific.

Negatives.

No downfield plays.
The OL seemed to collapse in the second half, magnified by Eli's immobility. Wheeler was absolutely abused by Watt the entire day.
Muffed a punt, and of course no return yardage.
Too conservative on many plays. Four consecutive punts in the second half, including after each TO.
Didn't give Wheeler help on every pass play. He should rarely have been left alone on JJ Watt.
Couldn't defend the middle of the field.
Had trouble keeping contain.

We still have work to do.
Looks like they gave Carter  
Andy in Boston : 9/23/2018 4:15 pm : link
A sack - 1st nfl sack
Micky  
idiotsavant : 9/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
What do you mean 'come around'?

Wynn was a udfa (one nobody ever had heard of other than some dork here (hello) , a udfa who contributed some from the get go.

Now he's in a DL centric system that kicks ass.
Eli  
Thegratefulhead : 9/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
Was very good today, hats off to him. I must admit I did not believe he had it in him anymore. That last touchdown Drive is what has been missing from his repertoire. Now we just need some consistency let's do it some more. Playing very meaningful game next week, 2 and 2 changes everything. 1 and 3 will suck. Great job.
RE: RE: Also this just in  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14090993 Simms11 said:
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In comment 14090984 RobCarpenter said:


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Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.



That was a great catch and Shurmur is definitely a guy willing to take risks as that was 3rd down and 1. They could have just handed the ball to Barkley there, but it was a great call as it worked.


It was absolutely the right call. Other teams throw downfield on 3rd and short, it’s about time the Giants did.
RE: Looks like they gave Carter  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 4:17 pm : link
In comment 14091006 Andy in Boston said:
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A sack - 1st nfl sack


Indeed he did
Haha  
Joey in VA : 9/23/2018 4:19 pm : link
I had the winning feeling all week. The defense was amazing today, fun to watch.
RE: Either Wynn has matured a a player or  
bigbluescot : 9/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
In comment 14091002 Simms11 said:
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he is much better in the 3 - 4


As a DE in a 3-4 his primary responsibility is against the run. He's always been pretty good as a run defender. Any pass rush or pass defense he can generate, and he can generate a wee bit is a bonus. He's also a very good and willing special teamer.
RE: Eli  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:21 pm : link
In comment 14091011 Thegratefulhead said:
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Was very good today, hats off to him. I must admit I did not believe he had it in him anymore. That last touchdown Drive is what has been missing from his repertoire. Now we just need some consistency let's do it some more. Playing very meaningful game next week, 2 and 2 changes everything. 1 and 3 will suck. Great job.


If Shepard didn’t drop Eli’s pass in the Jax game then who knows, maybe they’d have scored a TD & beaten Jax.

Against Dallas the OL was a complete disaster and Eli could not establish a rhythm.

Second highest completion percentage in Eli’s career.
A Good Defense  
clatterbuck : 9/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
should be considerably better with Olivier Vernon. Hope he's back and at full strength asap.
RE: A  
Anakim : 9/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 14091005 AcidTest said:
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huge and unexpected win.

Positives.

Eli was extremely accurate.
Barkley ran well, and caught a critical pass on the last TD drive.
The run D was excellent, and we forced two turnovers. Wynn and Harrison had monster games. Carter, Hill, and Edwards were also solid.
The OL opened some holes.
Covered Hopkins and Fuller well, despite only having three CBs.
Rosas was terrific.

Negatives.

No downfield plays.
The OL seemed to collapse in the second half, magnified by Eli's immobility. Wheeler was absolutely abused by Watt the entire day.
Muffed a punt, and of course no return yardage.
Too conservative on many plays. Four consecutive punts in the second half, including after each TO.
Didn't give Wheeler help on every pass play. He should rarely have been left alone on JJ Watt.
Couldn't defend the middle of the field.
Had trouble keeping contain.

We still have work to do.


Here's another negative:

Curtis Riley sucks balls
Tons of credit to Shurmer today....  
Tesla : 9/23/2018 4:22 pm : link
fantastic play calling and even better play designs. The Eli roll-outs were incredibly well designed and called at the perfect times.
RE: Either Wynn has matured a a player or  
dpinzow : 9/23/2018 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14091002 Simms11 said:
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he is much better in the 3 - 4


Wynn is a large defensive end who doesn’t rush the passer much but can stop the run, so it makes sense he’s playing better in this scheme

Nice win and takes the pressure off. I think they play well next week and keep it going
Thrilled for Eli.  
bceagle05 : 9/23/2018 4:25 pm : link
That's my quarterback *sniff sniff*
This is a very good defense  
eclipz928 : 9/23/2018 4:26 pm : link
It's been burdened by the fact that the offense up until this point hasn't done well maintaining drives and controlling the clock. I'm excited to see the potential of the defense if they can get healthy with Vernon and Apply being available.
a win  
mdc1 : 9/23/2018 4:28 pm : link
build on it.
Did Clowney play today?  
Eman11 : 9/23/2018 4:28 pm : link
I'm sure I saw him out there but didn't hear his name called often if at all. Good job by the line taking him out of the game.
Best game by Eli in a long time.....  
Dry Lightning : 9/23/2018 4:30 pm : link
Good to get a win. This season should be about the arrow pointing up when it ends.
RE: Always liked Wynn  
NYBlueinPA : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14090976 Bluesbreaker said:
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Never knocked the guy many here did !
Walt Coleman needs to retire !
I didn't like the missile shots at the legs ...
Eli was solid the O-line played better as a group .
Not gonna bash Flowers he isn't the only OT failure in the
top 10 blame JR
Barkley is as advertised .. he came close to breaking off
a long one earlier in the game love the way he went after
the ball in the air !
We missed Apple for sure FS still an issue
Wheeler did alright but he was over-matched had his moments . Eli finally looked comfortable
still had issues with stunts and blitzes but
We Won thats all that matters
Nice game by Shepard except one dumb penalty .
Feels good to win period !


+1
would add....
Greco made the difference on OL, Wheeler stepped up.
+2 turnovers wins games
Think they can survive EE out for some time if needed.
Nice win but it IS the Texans
Wynn is a beast, gets game ball!
Love the rookie impact. This draft one of best in years.
Caught replay of first half didnt see  
micky : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
No flags whole half esp on offensive line.

Very nice
Sam Darnold  
KWhite2250 : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread
Texans probably wanted  
bc4life : 9/23/2018 4:31 pm : link
to get pressure with 4. Giants have a lot of weapons if you send more than that and Eli has time. Probably were more effective due to added pressure.

Wheelers baptism under fire today - we'll see where is learning curve is now.
RE: Sam Darnold  
Dave in Hoboken : 9/23/2018 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14091062 KWhite2250 said:
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Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread


Don't forget the other 3. Allen looked good today, too.
The cornerbacks were a pleasant surprise.  
jogo1 : 9/23/2018 4:37 pm : link
Looked like a big mismatch on paper, especially with the line not getting to the QB enough.
RE: Did Clowney play today?  
eclipz928 : 9/23/2018 4:37 pm : link
In comment 14091056 Eman11 said:
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I'm sure I saw him out there but didn't hear his name called often if at all. Good job by the line taking him out of the game.

It appeared that the Giants gave Solder help with him during most of the game. If people are wondering why Wheeler was mostly left alone against JJ Watt, that's likely the biggest reason why.
Great game by Eli today  
AcesUp : 9/23/2018 4:41 pm : link
That last drive to nail it was vintage. The team as a whole does need to play better, this Texans team may be pretty bad. This is a step in the right direction though.

I'm optimistic for next week, we could be catching the Saints at the perfect time after this OT game.
RE: Did Clowney play today?  
bluepepper : 9/23/2018 4:44 pm : link
In comment 14091056 Eman11 said:
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I'm sure I saw him out there but didn't hear his name called often if at all. Good job by the line taking him out of the game.

Blew up a couple of plays if you count the Solder holding that negated the OBJ first down in the 3rd quarter (I think that was him). Other than that very quiet. Not sure he was healthy.
Great win.  
mittenedman : 9/23/2018 4:47 pm : link
2 quibbles:

*Thought Shurmur had 2 tactical screw ups that couldve costed the Giants big: rushing the play before the 2 minute warning in the 1st half

And

*Not running Barkley from under center after the OBJ 1st down in the 4th quarter.

Shurmur knows football but he’s an inexperienced HC who didnt look like he had a feel for closing out a win.
Shepard on last TD  
Bleedin Blue : 9/23/2018 4:48 pm : link
“Eli got me Hyped up!” “He told me in the huddle, you catch this we win”
Wow he is a rah rah guy! Fuck Boomer and his ass clown Gio playing the Andy Griffith theme song every time they play a quote from Eli!
He got time today and he played the way he CAN play, when protected!
RE: Well look at that  
Montreal Man : 9/23/2018 4:55 pm : link
In comment 14090880 montanagiant said:
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Our immobile toasted QB just beat one of the highly touted "mobile" QBs. And did so by being fucking clutch


Clutch and protected and pinpoint throws. Who says he can't do it anymore!??? Listening on the Sirius sports on the way back from the game, two announcers were giving out the scores and when the guy gave the Giants score he said in an I-told-you-so attitude, "See what happens when you give Eli some protection." YESSSSSS!
RE: Great win.  
RobCarpenter : 9/23/2018 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14091111 mittenedman said:
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2 quibbles:

*Thought Shurmur had 2 tactical screw ups that couldve costed the Giants big: rushing the play before the 2 minute warning in the 1st half

And

*Not running Barkley from under center after the OBJ 1st down in the 4th quarter.

Shurmur knows football but he’s an inexperienced HC who didnt look like he had a feel for closing out a win.


I don’t understand this last comment. The TD drive by the Giants sealed the win.
A great win,  
BIGbluegermany : 9/23/2018 5:01 pm : link
this team shows it really wants to win!!It was a step in the right direction and they're nowhere near perfection,but at the end of the day it was fun to watch this game!!!

Go Giants
RE: Sam Darnold  
jintsjunkie : 9/23/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 14091062 KWhite2250 said:
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Sam Darnold. Needs to be said every thread


LOL!
Eli and the Whole football team  
BigBlueGuy : 9/23/2018 5:04 pm : link
Eli played great and the defense did a great job against the Texas horrible OL they are actually worse than ours. Great job now let’s put a streak together. Go Giants!
Eli’s completion pct. has to  
Big Blue '56 : 9/23/2018 5:07 pm : link
be his all-time best I would think. Almost Simms-like(SB XXI)
Nevermind.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/23/2018 5:09 pm : link
I just saw a post on another thread indicating it was his second best
RE: Eli and the Whole football team  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/23/2018 5:10 pm : link
In comment 14091174 BigBlueGuy said:
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Eli played great and the defense did a great job against the Texas horrible OL they are actually worse than ours. Great job now let’s put a streak together. Go Giants!
Texans had the top rushing offense in the league but their OL is the worst in the league?
The win is great, but now we have to worry about  
GeofromNJ : 9/23/2018 5:17 pm : link
EE's injury and Washington. Peterson who had a terrific day. 120 yards and 2 TDs.
Sam Darnold  
Bill in TN : 9/23/2018 5:17 pm : link
Yes, Sam Darnold.
Bill O’Brien will be the first coach fired  
jeff57 : 9/23/2018 5:20 pm : link
.
RE: The win is great, but now we have to worry about  
Eman11 : 9/23/2018 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14091212 GeofromNJ said:
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EE's injury and Washington. Peterson who had a terrific day. 120 yards and 2 TDs.


I'm not worried about Washington. I'm worried about Snacks. If he's healthy, AP isn't a factor when they meet up.
Last week they tried to force feed Barkley  
Vanzetti : 9/23/2018 5:27 pm : link
This week they used all their weapons and SB got his yards in the flow of the offense

Great job by Shurmur and Shula. It would have been esasy to crawl under a rock and just try to run the ball a lot after last week's breakdowns in pass pro. But they came out attacking and spread the ball around

I truly had no idea whether they were going to pass or run most downs. They really mixed it up
Watching Gameday live  
Defense56 : 9/23/2018 5:28 pm : link
you would think the Giants didn't play today. I've seen the 1 o'clock games cycle through twice with no highlights of the game.
RE: I truly had no idea whether they were going to pass or run  
Trainmaster : 9/23/2018 5:36 pm : link
^^^
This

And a very good thing it is!
Eli had a great game. Good for him.  
Watson : 9/23/2018 5:38 pm : link
Congratulations to Coach Pat Shurmer for his 1st win as Head Coach of the New York Football Giants.
I'm not that impressed with Watson  
jnoble : 9/23/2018 5:48 pm : link
If it wasn't for his legs he would've had a pretty bad game
I'm happy we won  
Banks : 9/23/2018 5:52 pm : link
though I did bet against them on my parlays and may have just cost myself a couple grand. I'll trade that for a win
Eli  
Thegratefulhead : 9/23/2018 5:57 pm : link
Was very good today, hats off to him. I must admit I did not believe he had it in him anymore. That last touchdown Drive is what has been missing from his repertoire. Now we just need some consistency let's do it some more. Playing very meaningful game next week, 2 and 2 changes everything. 1 and 3 will suck. Great job.
RE: Also this just in  
Ralph.C : 9/23/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14090984 RobCarpenter said:
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Barkley is one hell of a good receiver. I’ve never seen a Giants RB with that ability. That catch by the goal line on the last drive was beautiful.


Tiki was a terrific receiver
RE: Shepard on last TD  
trueblueinpw : 9/23/2018 6:00 pm : link
In comment 14091112 Bleedin Blue said:
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“Eli got me Hyped up!” “He told me in the huddle, you catch this we win”
Wow he is a rah rah guy! Fuck Boomer and his ass clown Gio playing the Andy Griffith theme song every time they play a quote from Eli!
He got time today and he played the way he CAN play, when protected!


Did you see how pumped up Eli was after the TD? I fucking love Eli. Always have, always will.
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