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Which Saint Will Be the Giants' Biggest Individual Concern?

Simms2McConkey : 9/25/2018 12:28 pm
The New Orleans Saints have 5 players I am concerned about Sunday: Drew Brees, Alvin Kamara, Michael Thomas, Ted Ginn Jr., and Benjamin Watson.

I'd add Cameron Jordan (4 sacks) and Marshon Lattimore (5 INT, 13 games in 2017) to that list, but the Saints D is in trouble. They allow 6.9 yards per play (worst in league) and 10.2 net yards per pass attempt.

Not only is that pass mark the worst in the league, but the next-worst team (Oakland) is at 8.1. Two players can't make up for a whole D, and I think this Sterling Shepard's time to shine (No. 2 wideouts have 6 TD and 373 yards vs. NO this year).

I'm worried about the speedy Ginn breaking off a big gain like Tavon Austin or Will Fuller, and Watson may pose a problem for the linebackers in coverage. But they aren't huge playmakers like Brees, Kamara and Thomas obviously.

Focusing on Thomas and Kamara:

Thomas has an absurd (and unsustainable) 95 percent catch rate (38 receptions on 40 targets). As you might imagine, he's No. 1 in yards and catches. He plays mostly outside but runs in the slot 25-30 percent of the time.

That could make for a fun WR Michael Thomas vs. slot CB Michael Thomas matchup, but the Saints' Thomas is a big winner there. When he's on the outside, Janoris Jenkins can slow him down enough a la his efforts vs. DeAndre Hopkins, who had a solid but unspectacular game.

Kamara's was No. 1 last year in efficiency among running backs. The run game has slowed down a bit this year (3.8 YPC), but he already has 30 catches and a league-leading 430 yards through three weeks.

I am not worried about the front 7 holding up in the run game, but I am concerned Kamara will win matchups in the pass game and potentially break one in the open field.

My guess is that the Giants' No. 1 need to win on Sunday is stopping Kamara, as I think he's the player most capable of wrecking things for New York. But am I off-base? What does BBI think?
Kamara  
The Dude : 9/25/2018 12:30 pm : link
vs any LB in space is a nightmare.
Other than Brees....Kamara.  
Keith : 9/25/2018 12:31 pm : link
Kamara can do it all and he's a threat in every aspect of the game. If you can't stop Kamara, they will light us up.
Would really be nice  
Metnut : 9/25/2018 12:31 pm : link
to have Apple and Vernon back for this game.
I like Jenkins against most #1s  
giants#1 : 9/25/2018 12:34 pm : link
Kamara scares me the most, especially if they get him in space against Ogletree.
RE: Kamara  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/25/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 14093703 The Dude said:
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vs any LB in space is a nightmare.


Bingo!
Kamara  
mattlawson : 9/25/2018 12:36 pm : link
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How is Benjamin Watson still playing football.  
Brown Recluse : 9/25/2018 12:49 pm : link
Isn't he like 85 years old by now?
RE: How is Benjamin Watson still playing football.  
Boy Cord : 9/25/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 14093728 Brown Recluse said:
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Isn't he like 85 years old by now?


Wow. That's the same Ben Watson from the Patriots? He is long in the tooth. I thought this may have been his son.
Saint Jude.  
Pete in MD : 9/25/2018 1:00 pm : link
Hopefully this season is not a lost cause.
Are you kidding me?  
Doomster : 9/25/2018 1:07 pm : link
It's Brees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

80.6%, 1078yds, 8tds, 0 ints

Unless there is rain/swirling winds, he is going to take apart this secondary, especially if he has the time to throw....

Would be nice to have OV back, but even if he played, how effective would he be?

The formula for winning is the same as last week.....give up a lot of yardage but force turnovers....

And the offense has to go Lady Gaga scoring points this week....Eli has been missing OBj on numerous occasions.....I think a little misdirection with a pump fake, and then to OBj will work...of course, though, you need the time to do that....
We'ev played...  
bw in dc : 9/25/2018 1:08 pm : link
Bortles, Prescott, and Watson. All QBs who have, at best, a BA in QBing.

Now we are going way up in class against Brees, a PhD in QBing. He's the real problem.

So applying pressure is the key to limiting their opportunities and keeping TDs to FGs.
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Go Terps : 9/25/2018 1:11 pm : link
Against a grandmaster level QB like Brees I think you just try to make his worst 1 or 2 weapons beat you. I'd make him try to beat me over the top with Ginn, and hope for a windy day.
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Simms2McConkey : 9/25/2018 1:20 pm : link
In comment 14093752 Go Terps said:
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Against a grandmaster level QB like Brees I think you just try to make his worst 1 or 2 weapons beat you. I'd make him try to beat me over the top with Ginn, and hope for a windy day.


Your point makes a lot of sense.

I looked at Windfinder to see the Sunday forecast. Obviously we are 5 days ahead, but right now, this looks like perfect offensive football weather: 5-6 mph winds, mid-60s, sunny.

I'm not saying we're going to see a repeat of the 52-49 debacle from three years ago, but I'm having trouble figuring out how either defense is going to fare well here. This feels like a 38-35 type of game.
Forecast Sunday - ( New Window )
Brees is obviously a worry  
ChicagoMarty : 9/25/2018 1:47 pm : link
But let's not forget that Atlanta lost both safeties and their mike during the course of the game

NO blocked a punt which was a momentum changer. How often does that happen

Brees is the least mobile qb the Jints have faced this year despite his now legendary spin move

Brees is arguably the most accurate qb in the game.

I think we need to pressure him right up the middle
RE: Are you kidding me?  
dep026 : 9/25/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 14093748 Doomster said:
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It's Brees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

80.6%, 1078yds, 8tds, 0 ints

Unless there is rain/swirling winds, he is going to take apart this secondary, especially if he has the time to throw....

Would be nice to have OV back, but even if he played, how effective would he be?

The formula for winning is the same as last week.....give up a lot of yardage but force turnovers....

And the offense has to go Lady Gaga scoring points this week....Eli has been missing OBj on numerous occasions.....I think a little misdirection with a pump fake, and then to OBj will work...of course, though, you need the time to do that....


Brees aint playing inside this week.
100% it is Brees  
RobCarpenter : 9/25/2018 1:49 pm : link
And the Giants have to win the time of possession to keep him off the field.
It's Brees  
David B. : 9/25/2018 1:49 pm : link
and his ability to put a half dozen TDs or more on the board in any given game. The Giants offense doesn't look ready to keep up the pace. It's probably gonna take 35-40 points to beat them.
RE: It's Brees  
dep026 : 9/25/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 14093803 David B. said:
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and his ability to put a half dozen TDs or more on the board in any given game. The Giants offense doesn't look ready to keep up the pace. It's probably gonna take 35-40 points to beat them.


So in 3 games against the Giants in Giants stadium, he has a total of 3 TDs - we are worried he is going to throw for 6? Hmmmm....
Gonna be a tough team for sure  
Anakim : 9/25/2018 1:55 pm : link
Brees is still, well, Brees.

Michael Thomas is a top-5 WR in the NFL (I wanted him over Shepard)

And Kamara is a Swiss Army Knife
RE: RE: How is Benjamin Watson still playing football.  
Anakim : 9/25/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14093735 Boy Cord said:
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In comment 14093728 Brown Recluse said:


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Isn't he like 85 years old by now?



Wow. That's the same Ben Watson from the Patriots? He is long in the tooth. I thought this may have been his son.


He was in the same draft as Eli
Whether or not he actually throws the TD passes doesn't matter.  
bceagle05 : 9/25/2018 1:56 pm : link
He's still running the show. You don't think the Saints can drop 30+ points on us? Giants offense might want to play two good halves of football this week.
My two guys are Kamara and Ginn  
dep026 : 9/25/2018 1:57 pm : link
especially if there is no APple.

We have NO ONE to cover Kamara. And with Ginn and his speed - it will be tough to prevent some big plays. Jenkins and Thomas will battle.

Brees will play fine. But if we dont stop Kamara, we are in big trouble.
There was a poster on here commenting that QB play  
Jimmy Googs : 9/25/2018 2:15 pm : link
around the league has been very inconsistent and that even Drew Brees has looked average thus far.

So with that said, Kamara might be the bigger concern...
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2018 2:30 pm : link
Kamara is the best player on that offense right now but Michael Thomas has been a fucking monster. I have faith in Jenkins to keep him from having a game-wrecking day against us - so at least we have a bit of an answer for that.

Kamara is just a nightmare to defend. He's like a super version of Darren Sproles from when Sproles was in New Orleans. He does everything. Super low center of gravity, very elusive, outstanding in the pass game.

New Orleans is going to have to answer the same questions about figuring out what to do about Saquon Barkley, though.

This game being at home is a major, major plus though. I feel better about our chances for that reason.

Hope for some crappy weather and wind. It will be a benefit to us. We have the bigger, more durable back that we can pound the rock with. The Saints really don't want to use Kamara between the tackles and want to minimize the hits he takes from the big guys in the trenches so they've been trying to work Jonathan Williams into Ingram's role while he's out for another week.
RE: .  
santacruzom : 9/25/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14093848 arcarsenal said:
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Kamara is the best player on that offense right now but Michael Thomas has been a fucking monster. I have faith in Jenkins to keep him from having a game-wrecking day against us - so at least we have a bit of an answer for that.


I didn't realize how good Michael Thomas is at breaking tackles and getting extra yardage until I caught some of the Falcons game. Holy shit, that guy is indeed a fearsome opponent.
It is easily Brees on O and Jordan on D.  
SeanLandeta : 9/25/2018 2:53 pm : link
Pressure will be key (when isn't it) or Brees will sit back and pick us apart over the middle of the field where our weakness is coverage LBs and safeties.

Jordan is every bit the match-up nightmare on the end of the D-line as Watts was...maybe more. NYG will have to be aware of his position lining up and make sure help is available on his side. That said, if Eli has time the O should look good against a poor pass D. If Saquon gets going in this one then we could put up the most points we've seen in a while.

Hopefully the Giants just keep building on what they did right against Houston and we get a second W, but consistency hasn't been a strong suit for quite a while.
Yeah,  
Big Blue '56 : 9/25/2018 3:11 pm : link
it’s always Brees
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arcarsenal : 9/25/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 14093870 santacruzom said:
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In comment 14093848 arcarsenal said:


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Kamara is the best player on that offense right now but Michael Thomas has been a fucking monster. I have faith in Jenkins to keep him from having a game-wrecking day against us - so at least we have a bit of an answer for that.



I didn't realize how good Michael Thomas is at breaking tackles and getting extra yardage until I caught some of the Falcons game. Holy shit, that guy is indeed a fearsome opponent.


It's hard to figure out why he wasn't the consensus #1 WR in that draft. It's not like he played for a school where he didn't get enough national exposure. I whiffed on Treadwell - Thomas is so much better.
RE: Are you kidding me?  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 9/25/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 14093748 Doomster said:
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It's Brees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

80.6%, 1078yds, 8tds, 0 ints

Unless there is rain/swirling winds, he is going to take apart this secondary, especially if he has the time to throw....

Would be nice to have OV back, but even if he played, how effective would he be?

The formula for winning is the same as last week.....give up a lot of yardage but force turnovers....

And the offense has to go Lady Gaga scoring points this week....Eli has been missing OBj on numerous occasions.....I think a little misdirection with a pump fake, and then to OBj will work...of course, though, you need the time to do that....

So much focus on SB, defenses seem extremely vulnerable to a sluggo with OBJ
Will this be the 1st game our crappy oline doesn't look like crap vs. crappy NO D?
Eli will have to be prepared to go toe to toe again  
Simms11 : 9/25/2018 3:47 pm : link
with Brees. Hopefully he comes out on top this time. Eli was fantastic last game in New Orleans and kept us in it. OBJ also had a big game. We need more of the same this week. Brees can also move around fairly well, but not quite the runner that we've seen the first 3 weeks.
Does Cameron Jordan play opposite Wheeler or Solder  
Ira : 9/25/2018 4:19 pm : link
?
RE: Does Cameron Jordan play opposite Wheeler or Solder  
Simms2McConkey : 9/25/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 14093987 Ira said:
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He'll go against Wheeler. Jordan is an Left DE.
Drew Brees is not who you want to see  
Dave in PA : 9/25/2018 5:35 pm : link
When trying to save your season and gain some momentum. Guy is a sure fire Hall of Famer and he’s going to produce. I’m not as optimistic this week as I was last week
The Giants will have done well if they can keep the Aints from  
SterlingArcher : 9/25/2018 5:39 pm : link
scoring less than 50 points!
Brees will take a sack when he has to, but issue  
Jimmy Googs : 9/25/2018 5:44 pm : link
typically comes from fact he is so quick in his decision making and release that the ball is gone well before any pressure can even come.

He tends to want to move up the pocket far more than side-to-side, so even some pressure from the middle has been more effective against him.

You may get beat deep, but better to have the corners play up tighter so that he has to go thru at least some progressions. If the rush never gets there then we lose anyway...
Brees average points against the Giants  
USAF NYG Fan : 9/25/2018 5:55 pm : link
in New Orleans' dome is around 50 points.

in the Giants' open stadium is around 23 points.

I'm hoping for a windy day.
Giants need to control time of possession Sunday  
Rick in Dallas : 9/25/2018 6:54 pm : link
Keep Brees and that offense off the field . NO defense
Against the pass one of the worst in the league.
Watching the Saints game against Atlanta  
Simms11 : 9/25/2018 10:32 pm : link
on NFL Network. Saints are a freaking machine on offense! Scary! I hope we have a good game plan on Defense and hope OBJ, Barkley and Shep can go off, otherwise this game won’t be close. If the game is somehow close in the 4th, we have to keep the ball out of Brees hand.
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