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Serious Question: If we start 1-6, is Eli getting Benched?

Giants34 : 10/1/2018 1:14 am
It's time to face the facts: the Giants are going to be big underdogs in each of their next three games. If we lose that string out, and Eli continues his poor play, are we turning to Lauletta?

I know Eli has been completing a high percentage of his passes. But he constantly checks down. We have difficulty breaking 20, forget getting to 30. Last week against Houston, we scored 20 in the first half and barely anything the rest of the game.

I know what happened last year. This is not last year. Eli's streak is over. The O-Line may still be an issue, but he has no excuses for a lack of weapons, as we have ODB and Barkley (as well as Shepard).

So, with the team out of contention entering the bye (if it goes that way), what do we do? Do we stubbornly stick with Eli, or do we use the bye week to get Lauletta prepared and see what Lauletta he can do?
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RE: Just bench him and get it over with....  
ajr2456 : 10/1/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 14101359 Britt in VA said:
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No sense in continuing to let him take a beating from offensive teams and his own fans.

I just want to remind everybody that the grass isn't greener.

The mob on this board has gotten what they wanted every step of the way, and look how it's all turned out:

Fired Gilbride
Fired Flaherty
Fired Coughlin
Let Jerry Reese hire his own coach and drop 200 million in Free Agency
Changed to a WC style offense

Now it's time to run Manning out of town.

Let's go ahead and get that last bit over with and watch everybody run around like a chicken with it's head cut off with nobody left to blame.


“The grass isn’t always greener”

Eli is 37. The grass is brown right now. What’s your suggestion?
RE: RE: Just bench him and get it over with....  
dep026 : 10/1/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 14101460 ajr2456 said:
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“The grass isn’t always greener”

Eli is 37. The grass is brown right now. What’s your suggestion?


Britt and I are Eli's biggest supporters. Both of us wanted Darnold. It didnt happen. We need to move on. We both understand Eli is nearly done and we really dont have a backup plan. People will want to reach for a QB this draft, but that doesnt exactly solve anything either.
The hilarious thing in all of this....  
Britt in VA : 10/1/2018 10:35 am : link
is that the main problem that caused all of this all the way back in 2012, is still to blame for the problems today. Not Gilbride, not Coughlin, not Flaherty, not Eli. Fix

The O-line.




Fix the line, fix the team.
So let’s assume a plan of 3 more years of Eli  
hassan : 10/1/2018 10:35 am : link
assume he is not the issue.

should the Giants not look at Lauletta, a totally fair and reasonable take, once post season is not possible?

What would the right moves be? when do the Giants play another qb or draft one?

what do they do to help Manning out next year? what extension would be reasonable for him?


Britt  
JonC : 10/1/2018 10:37 am : link
The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
RE: Britt  
dep026 : 10/1/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 14101478 JonC said:
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.


For as much love as the DL gets, they have been underwhelming so far as well.

29th in rushing yards allowed
26th in rushing yards
5 sacks in 4 games.

This is suppose to be the strength of our team.
RE: Well....  
christian : 10/1/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 14101447 Britt in VA said:
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it's all turned out really great so far.


I think we'd all agree going back to 2016 ownership needed to operate with more conviction.

If they felt the Reese, Manning, Macadoo, Spags group was a winner -- they should have kept Coughlin and invested in the defense.

If they felt it was a loser, they should have cleaned house and given the Manning era one final shot with a clean slate.

The last 3 years have been an exercise in legacies and non-hurt feelings for this team.
I cautioned the DL needed more parts  
JonC : 10/1/2018 10:40 am : link
even with OV ...
I like the young DTs.  
bceagle05 : 10/1/2018 10:42 am : link
Beyond that, nothing really excites me on defense, including the thought of breaking the bank for Collins. Bettcher has done a nice job given the personnel - he'll probably be a head coach soon.

RE: Britt  
family progtitioner : 10/1/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14101478 JonC said:
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.


The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
RE: RE: Britt  
dep026 : 10/1/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 14101502 family progtitioner said:
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.


lol. Love these posts.
I think you give it to...  
bw in dc : 10/1/2018 10:45 am : link
early November, the midpoint of the season. Or maybe after Thanksgiving.

But who knows with Mara. He created this drama and this current state of ineptitude; and he’s going to have to be the one who eventually reconciles that his boy Eli is due at the QB glue factory.

Based on how the team looks right now, I dare someone to look at the remaining schedule and find 2 or 3 wins, tops, btw.

RE: I cautioned the DL needed more parts  
christian : 10/1/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 14101493 JonC said:
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even with OV ...
I'd also argue outside of the big 3, the offensive skill positions take a Giant drop.

I wouldn't be surprised if R. Shepard, Latimer, Simonson, Penny, Davis and Cooley are not on an NFL roster next year.
RE: RE: RE: Britt  
family progtitioner : 10/1/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 14101505 dep026 said:
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.



lol. Love these posts.


You must love the truth then.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
dep026 : 10/1/2018 10:48 am : link
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.



lol. Love these posts.



You must love the truth then.


So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?
RE: RE: Britt  
ajr2456 : 10/1/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 14101488 dep026 said:
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



For as much love as the DL gets, they have been underwhelming so far as well.

29th in rushing yards allowed
26th in rushing yards
5 sacks in 4 games.

This is suppose to be the strength of our team.


Doesn’t JPP have four sacks himself for Tampa?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
family progtitioner : 10/1/2018 11:01 am : link
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.



lol. Love these posts.



You must love the truth then.



So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?


No. This coach dosen't even really try, though.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
ron mexico : 10/1/2018 11:20 am : link
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.



lol. Love these posts.



You must love the truth then.



So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?


If they don't fear the passing game, it can make it harder to run the ball
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
dep026 : 10/1/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 14101617 ron mexico said:
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If they don't fear the passing game, it can make it harder to run the ball


Cant you say if teams dont fear the run game, it makes the passing game harder?
I would have kept KG after 2013..  
Sean : 10/1/2018 11:26 am : link
and give everyone 2014 - clean house after 14.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
ron mexico : 10/1/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 14101619 dep026 said:
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If they don't fear the passing game, it can make it harder to run the ball



Cant you say if teams dont fear the run game, it makes the passing game harder?


You can say that as well. But SB is making things happening. Eli is not.

I think its clear that teams do not have to game plan for Eli other than taking advantage of his weaknesses.
RE: RE: RE: Just bench him and get it over with....  
ron mexico : 10/1/2018 11:36 am : link
In comment 14101466 dep026 said:
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“The grass isn’t always greener”

Eli is 37. The grass is brown right now. What’s your suggestion?



Britt and I are Eli's biggest supporters. Both of us wanted Darnold. It didnt happen. We need to move on. We both understand Eli is nearly done and we really dont have a backup plan. People will want to reach for a QB this draft, but that doesnt exactly solve anything either.


I mean it could solve the problem. A lot of people said we reached and overpaid for Eli and that worked out.

Nothing is guaranteed to succeed or fail
They will not bench Eli, he gives them the best chance to win.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/1/2018 11:58 am : link
Thats all coaches care about. Ease the heat on their backs by winning. Eli will definitely get his ass kicked this year, a terrible end to his legacy brought upon by piss poor execution by management and fans that couldnt see his time was over.
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Dutch77 : 10/1/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14101521 dep026 said:
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.



The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.



lol. Love these posts.



You must love the truth then.



So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?


People just can't stop living in the past. Why does everything have to be perfect for this guy? Thank you for the 2 Super bowls Eli (because clearly the defense had nothing to do with them), it's time to move forward.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
dep026 : 10/1/2018 12:04 pm : link
In comment 14101739 Dutch77 said:
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People just can't stop living in the past. Why does everything have to be perfect for this guy? Thank you for the 2 Super bowls Eli (because clearly the defense had nothing to do with them), it's time to move forward.


What does running the ball have todo with the past?

lol
If Lauletta looked remotely close in preseason?  
AcesUp : 10/1/2018 12:13 pm : link
Sure. But he looked a long ways away. Eli is and was by far our best option. If we're toast by Thanksgiving, then you throw him in so that we can get an evaluation on him before the next draft. In terms of player development and getting tape on him with live bullets, there are only negatives and no positives in throwing him out there for 8 games vs. 4 games.
RE: If Lauletta looked remotely close in preseason?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/1/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 14101765 AcesUp said:
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Sure. But he looked a long ways away. Eli is and was by far our best option. If we're toast by Thanksgiving, then you throw him in so that we can get an evaluation on him before the next draft. In terms of player development and getting tape on him with live bullets, there are only negatives and no positives in throwing him out there for 8 games vs. 4 games.


Except for the fact that both the GM and head coach vouched for Eli. Both experts said he's fine. For them to backtrack on that would mean they were completely wrong and that they have quit the season. They won't do either of those things.
It's scapegoat time  
HomerJones45 : 10/1/2018 12:24 pm : link
and of course the 3rd qb is now the most popular player on the team.

What did you people expect? Reese left the cupboard almost bare. Romo was right- the middle of the line consists of a rookie, a bum and a guy who was allowed to leave because he wasn't very good. The right tackle is a turnstyle. We have no functional 3rd wideout (Latimer blows) and one functional tight end who is hurt (Ellison sucks and the 3rd te is a nobody). Shepard is a good possession guy who does not stretch the field. That's it; that's what we have.

Did any of you see Pitt and Baltimore last night? Baltimore has 3 very good wideouts and two tight ends that can catch and run along with two backs who can catch. Pitt has one great wideout and two other very good wideouts and two tight ends that can run and catch and a back who can catch.

You all were so dazzled by ODB and Sequan that you overlooked all of the other deficiencies. Take another look; there are quite a few of them.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Britt  
Dutch77 : 10/1/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14101746 dep026 said:
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People just can't stop living in the past. Why does everything have to be perfect for this guy? Thank you for the 2 Super bowls Eli (because clearly the defense had nothing to do with them), it's time to move forward.



What does running the ball have todo with the past?

lol


It doesn't, but this idea that Eli is still ELITE (or ever was) and the only issue/problem with this team is the O-Line is comical.
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dep026 : 10/1/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 14101807 Dutch77 said:
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It doesn't, but this idea that Eli is still ELITE (or ever was) and the only issue/problem with this team is the O-Line is comical.


Show one post where ANY poster said Eli was ELITE.

Just one.
RE: RE: RE: Just bench him and get it over with....  
Jimmy Googs : 10/1/2018 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14101466 dep026 said:
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Britt and I are Eli's biggest supporters. Both of us wanted Darnold. It didnt happen. We need to move on. We both understand Eli is nearly done and we really dont have a backup plan.


You both understand Eli is nearly done?? Define "nearly" as I am interested...
RE: The hilarious thing in all of this....  
micky : 10/1/2018 5:53 pm : link
In comment 14101468 Britt in VA said:
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is that the main problem that caused all of this all the way back in 2012, is still to blame for the problems today. Not Gilbride, not Coughlin, not Flaherty, not Eli. Fix

The O-line.




Fix the line, fix the team.


But come draft time..it goes "but but need bpa..not need!"

Hence draft wr, cb, de likes
Eli should have left after last season, one way or another  
Go Terps : 10/1/2018 5:58 pm : link
Nothing lasts forever, and few things end as we want them to...but I think this is going to end uglier than he deserves.
Outside of Mara, Eli is out of friends on this team  
Go Terps : 10/1/2018 6:00 pm : link
After a couple more losses it's going to start getting chirpy, if it isn't already.
They're not benching Eli.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2018 6:02 pm : link
Mara showed his fortitude on this issue last year.

They won't bench him until it's beyond a doubt he's done.
RE: Eli should have left after last season, one way or another  
Sean : 10/1/2018 6:05 pm : link
In comment 14102407 Go Terps said:
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Nothing lasts forever, and few things end as we want them to...but I think this is going to end uglier than he deserves.


Yup. It made sense for both parties after last season. After the Redskins game last year you got the sense Eli felt it was over as well as the fans. Would have been a nice ending to an otherwise shit season.

Eli deserves better than how this will unfold. Because you are right, who are Eli’s friends in this team? These guys were in grade school when Eli was hoisting up Lombardi’s.
Eli has plenty of friends in the organization and the media  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2018 6:08 pm : link
You can be sure if something happens, Snee, O'Hara, and Diehl are going to make public issue of it and put their two cents in on how he's being mistreated. And I understand their point of view. But it makes it hard for Mara to make a decision he doesn't want to make in the first place.
RE: Eli has plenty of friends in the organization and the media  
Sean : 10/1/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14102421 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You can be sure if something happens, Snee, O'Hara, and Diehl are going to make public issue of it and put their two cents in on how he's being mistreated. And I understand their point of view. But it makes it hard for Mara to make a decision he doesn't want to make in the first place.


So, the mob mentality influences Eli again? This is exactly how franchises get stuck.
RE: RE: Eli has plenty of friends in the organization and the media  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2018 6:12 pm : link
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You can be sure if something happens, Snee, O'Hara, and Diehl are going to make public issue of it and put their two cents in on how he's being mistreated. And I understand their point of view. But it makes it hard for Mara to make a decision he doesn't want to make in the first place.



So, the mob mentality influences Eli again? This is exactly how franchises get stuck.


People forget how weird and loud the outcry was when he got benched.

And Eli's display of tears didn't help matters.
Yep..  
Sean : 10/1/2018 6:18 pm : link
Eli didn’t make the situation better. The fans were completely out of line.
...  
christian : 10/1/2018 6:25 pm : link
Unless you leave on top ala Strahan there is no magical exit, so we're left with:

- Option A: Outright bench Manning in his last season as a Giant

- Option B: Align on pulling Manning at a set time in a game and let the rookie get some burn (the fans and Manning already cried about this)

- Option C: Scheme up an even more ridiculous plot where Manning only gets pulled if the game is out-of-hand (like you can control this or something)

- Option D: Manning gets his teeth kicked-in because the line is dreadful, there is no depth at the skill positions, and Manning is old and slow, and gets hurt
At this point who would believe Eli's going to be on his last year?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/1/2018 6:26 pm : link
The level of commitment they have talked up suggests they're looking for any reason to extend him.
RE: At this point who would believe Eli's going to be on his last year?  
christian : 10/1/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14102441 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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The level of commitment they have talked up suggests they're looking for any reason to extend him.


You are completely right sadly.

Option E: Do this again next year and be totally surprised with nearly identical results
You lost  
jtgiants : 10/8/2018 10:36 am : link
Me at Eli isn't playing well. Blatantly false. He's not only not getting benched but he will also be the QB next year. The anti Eli crowd is making things up at this point. Elis been solid overall this season
Terps on with his one note solution again  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2018 10:44 am : link
Killdrive had to go; he was the problem

Coughlin had to go; he was the problem

Reese had to go; he was the problem

Eli now has to go because now he's the problem.

Once Eli is gone. whose going to be the next problem when this team is still a shit show.
RE: Terps on with his one note solution again  
Go Terps : 10/8/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 14113402 HomerJones45 said:
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Killdrive had to go; he was the problem

Coughlin had to go; he was the problem

Reese had to go; he was the problem

Eli now has to go because now he's the problem.

Once Eli is gone. whose going to be the next problem when this team is still a shit show.


What the hell are you talking about?
RE: Terps on with his one note solution again  
Jimmy Googs : 10/8/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 14113402 HomerJones45 said:
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Killdrive had to go; he was the problem

Coughlin had to go; he was the problem

Reese had to go; he was the problem

Eli now has to go because now he's the problem.

Once Eli is gone. whose going to be the next problem when this team is still a shit show.


Probably can just stick with Eli for a bit until someone else blame-worthy comes around.

second choice is Coach Quinn...
It's getting tiresome to see this shit every day  
montanagiant : 10/8/2018 11:17 am : link
Here are the facts everyone needs to face:
1) Eli will be our starting QB this year and most likely next season as well
2) The Giants will take a QB in the first rd either in 2019 or 2020.
3) The Giants will also make the O-Line a priority in both of those drafts
4) They didn't like any of the QB's this year outside of probably Mayfield thus why none were chosen. Deal with it!
5) Eli is not why we are losing so spare everyone the mental gymnastics being done to blame him for every fucking loss. This was a 3 win team last year that has been massively overhauled. It's going to take some time for it all to jell.
Look around the keague. Really LOOK!!  
Big Blue '56 : 10/8/2018 11:24 am : link
Save for a very few, QBs have been up and down all year. There may be more 300 games than possibly ever, but that’s kinda like the metric for a 1000 yard rusher. When they played 12-14 games per year, a 1000 yard season was considered a job well done. But in 16 games?

Re the 300 yard games, QBs are throwing it 50-60 times per game, sometimes more. So throwing for 300 yards no longer comes close to what it meant when QBs were throwing it in the 30s.

So, Eli has had as good a year as many, if not most, imo
OBJ  
Thegratefulhead : 10/8/2018 4:59 pm : link
With that guaranteed money, he felt comfortable calling out the QB in public(not by name....yet). OBJ has more leverage than Eli does now. If he starts making noise, this shit will get really ugly, really fast. Tik Tok mutherfuckers. We need to beat the Eagles or this is going to be a shitshow of a season that will make the Geno Smith fiasco look like a summer walk in the park. It is down to one game, this is it.
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