It's time to face the facts: the Giants are going to be big underdogs in each of their next three games. If we lose that string out, and Eli continues his poor play, are we turning to Lauletta?
I know Eli has been completing a high percentage of his passes. But he constantly checks down. We have difficulty breaking 20, forget getting to 30. Last week against Houston, we scored 20 in the first half and barely anything the rest of the game.
I know what happened last year. This is not last year. Eli's streak is over. The O-Line may still be an issue, but he has no excuses for a lack of weapons, as we have ODB and Barkley (as well as Shepard).
So, with the team out of contention entering the bye (if it goes that way), what do we do? Do we stubbornly stick with Eli, or do we use the bye week to get Lauletta prepared and see what Lauletta he can do?
That was the point. many fine qbs had to start in less than ideal conditions to begin careers - if Giants wait for a perfect storm to trot out next qb it will be a long time.
"I was wrong about Eli. I thought we could win with him, but I was wrong. The team wasn't good enough to protect him and so we failed. So I will start Lauletta to see if he is our QB of the future."
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Damn, that sounds refreshing...
It matters not at all.
On the field or on the bench, the Giants we would like to see is in the future with several unknown players still in college.
Yes, folks, the road back to success is long and winding.
I walked it from 1964 - 1981.
That was the point. many fine qbs had to start in less than ideal conditions to begin careers - if Giants wait for a perfect storm to trot out next qb it will be a long time.
It wasn't good, but if you traded this OL for that one we'd be 3-1. And I'm slowly but surely on the "Eli is at the end of the road" train, but facts are that 04 team was better.
The telling part in that quote, for me, is that it gives insight as to how much input Chris Mara has. We've bandied about whether he's a token nepotism job, a guy with some input, or a guy up to his elbows.
Personally, I think the Maras are a big part of the problem, and they're not going away, so the outlook of the team, for a long time, is not giving me a warm fuzzy feeling. egads, we could be like Dallas: our heyday behind us and the best we can hope for is being also-rans.
Where is that quote from?
Also, that's almost the smoking gun that Reese or Gettleman, the true GM of this team is Chris Mara.
irrespective of how much the offensive woes are on eli this team has to evaluate lauletta if the team is eliminated.
Jim is correct that would require admitting their strategy was wrong on some level to believe and sell the notion Eli should have one last hurrah. he is also correct that admitting they were wrong may not be the way this group conducts business.
But i’m only commenting on what i believe they should do which is to give him a look and evaluate him.
I believe Lauletta will get snaps at the end of the year. Will he start? I am not sure. However, again - big picture. Lauletta starts next year or we draft a QB, we still have this problem.
No RT
C who is 33 years old.
RG who has been miserable this year.
I expect hernandez to get better. But even Solder will be another year older. Making huge dollars. Thats why I am not huge on drafting a QB early.
But if Eli is benched again, he's done with the Giants after this season. The first benching can be attributed to the prior coaching staff, but another means the Giants are moving on at QB right now.
The irony is that the decision whether to bench Eli may be moot. He could easily end up on IR or at least miss a few games because of all the beatings he's taken, some of which are admittedly attributable to his complete immobility.
maybe we'll see Lauletta start the last week of the season, after a carefully curated press release with input from Mara, Tisch, Hanlon, DG, Shurmur, external public relations firms etc that stresses this is not a benching per se, but an opportunity to give Lauletta some playing time to evaluate him.
I just want to remind everybody that the grass isn't greener.
The mob on this board has gotten what they wanted every step of the way, and look how it's all turned out:
Fired Gilbride
Fired Flaherty
Fired Coughlin
Let Jerry Reese hire his own coach and drop 200 million in Free Agency
Changed to a WC style offense
Now it's time to run Manning out of town.
Let's go ahead and get that last bit over with and watch everybody run around like a chicken with it's head cut off with nobody left to blame.
This is what I am afraid of.... haha
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i would suggest the season is lost before we see lauletta. maybe 3-9 vs 1-6
It doesn't matter. What is the justification? He is being paid $23M to play. DG and Shurmur said he still has it. If they bench him, then they are trying to lose, which should get them fired.
When? In 2015, he broke the $20M in cash earnings barrier. He hasn't earned more than $18M since. I know math is hard for some so I'll help you out.
Eli Manning's Contract. - ( New Window )
the line will have to improve. at least gettleman seems to have nailed his first four picks.
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i would suggest the season is lost before we see lauletta. maybe 3-9 vs 1-6
It doesn't matter. What is the justification? He is being paid $23M to play. DG and Shurmur said he still has it. If they bench him, then they are trying to lose, which should get them fired.
When? In 2015, he broke the $20M in cash earnings barrier. He hasn't earned more than $18M since. I know math is hard for some so I'll help you out. Eli Manning's Contract. - ( New Window )
he is obviously talking about his cap hit
I just want to remind everybody that the grass isn't greener.
The mob on this board has gotten what they wanted every step of the way, and look how it's all turned out:
Fired Gilbride
Fired Flaherty
Fired Coughlin
Let Jerry Reese hire his own coach and drop 200 million in Free Agency
Changed to a WC style offense
Now it's time to run Manning out of town.
Let's go ahead and get that last bit over with and watch everybody run around like a chicken with it's head cut off with nobody left to blame.
As a card carrying member of the mob -- our take was more:
- Replace Gilbride's offense with a more WCO offense that led to a statistical renaissance for Manning, but no impact on the W column
- Replace Coughlin, with a younger, fresher coach which did in fact nearly double the win column
- Let Reese spend ~110M on bolstering the defense which netted 2 premiere players and one bad investment in retrospect because of injury, and catapulted the defense from terrible to very good
- Gasp at how quickly the progress at QB, coaching, defense and the like absolutely explode like nothing we've ever seen before last year
- Recognized the Super Bowl era was over, the team needed deep cleansing at GM, coach, and players and that the team was not close enough to contention to expect a 37-year-old QB at the tail end of his career to succeed with the pieces in place
I just want to remind everybody that the grass isn't greener.
The mob on this board has gotten what they wanted every step of the way, and look how it's all turned out:
Fired Gilbride
Fired Flaherty
Fired Coughlin
Let Jerry Reese hire his own coach and drop 200 million in Free Agency
Changed to a WC style offense
Now it's time to run Manning out of town.
Let's go ahead and get that last bit over with and watch everybody run around like a chicken with it's head cut off with nobody left to blame.
I just want to remind everybody that the grass isn't greener.
The mob on this board has gotten what they wanted every step of the way, and look how it's all turned out:
Fired Gilbride
Fired Flaherty
Fired Coughlin
Let Jerry Reese hire his own coach and drop 200 million in Free Agency
Changed to a WC style offense
Now it's time to run Manning out of town.
Let's go ahead and get that last bit over with and watch everybody run around like a chicken with it's head cut off with nobody left to blame.
“The grass isn’t always greener”
Eli is 37. The grass is brown right now. What’s your suggestion?
“The grass isn’t always greener”
Eli is 37. The grass is brown right now. What’s your suggestion?
Britt and I are Eli's biggest supporters. Both of us wanted Darnold. It didnt happen. We need to move on. We both understand Eli is nearly done and we really dont have a backup plan. People will want to reach for a QB this draft, but that doesnt exactly solve anything either.
The O-line.
Fix the line, fix the team.
should the Giants not look at Lauletta, a totally fair and reasonable take, once post season is not possible?
What would the right moves be? when do the Giants play another qb or draft one?
what do they do to help Manning out next year? what extension would be reasonable for him?
For as much love as the DL gets, they have been underwhelming so far as well.
29th in rushing yards allowed
26th in rushing yards
5 sacks in 4 games.
This is suppose to be the strength of our team.
I think we'd all agree going back to 2016 ownership needed to operate with more conviction.
If they felt the Reese, Manning, Macadoo, Spags group was a winner -- they should have kept Coughlin and invested in the defense.
If they felt it was a loser, they should have cleaned house and given the Manning era one final shot with a clean slate.
The last 3 years have been an exercise in legacies and non-hurt feelings for this team.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
lol. Love these posts.
But who knows with Mara. He created this drama and this current state of ineptitude; and he’s going to have to be the one who eventually reconciles that his boy Eli is due at the QB glue factory.
Based on how the team looks right now, I dare someone to look at the remaining schedule and find 2 or 3 wins, tops, btw.
I wouldn't be surprised if R. Shepard, Latimer, Simonson, Penny, Davis and Cooley are not on an NFL roster next year.
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
lol. Love these posts.
You must love the truth then.
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
lol. Love these posts.
You must love the truth then.
So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
For as much love as the DL gets, they have been underwhelming so far as well.
29th in rushing yards allowed
26th in rushing yards
5 sacks in 4 games.
This is suppose to be the strength of our team.
Doesn’t JPP have four sacks himself for Tampa?
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
lol. Love these posts.
You must love the truth then.
So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?
No. This coach dosen't even really try, though.
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
lol. Love these posts.
You must love the truth then.
So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?
If they don't fear the passing game, it can make it harder to run the ball
If they don't fear the passing game, it can make it harder to run the ball
Cant you say if teams dont fear the run game, it makes the passing game harder?
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If they don't fear the passing game, it can make it harder to run the ball
Cant you say if teams dont fear the run game, it makes the passing game harder?
You can say that as well. But SB is making things happening. Eli is not.
I think its clear that teams do not have to game plan for Eli other than taking advantage of his weaknesses.
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“The grass isn’t always greener”
Eli is 37. The grass is brown right now. What’s your suggestion?
Britt and I are Eli's biggest supporters. Both of us wanted Darnold. It didnt happen. We need to move on. We both understand Eli is nearly done and we really dont have a backup plan. People will want to reach for a QB this draft, but that doesnt exactly solve anything either.
I mean it could solve the problem. A lot of people said we reached and overpaid for Eli and that worked out.
Nothing is guaranteed to succeed or fail
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The team has far more wrong with it than just the OL, including the QB position.
The QB is the MAIN problem with this team. He makes it impossible for any O line to operate.
lol. Love these posts.
You must love the truth then.
So its Eli's fault we cant run the ball either?
People just can't stop living in the past. Why does everything have to be perfect for this guy? Thank you for the 2 Super bowls Eli (because clearly the defense had nothing to do with them), it's time to move forward.
People just can't stop living in the past. Why does everything have to be perfect for this guy? Thank you for the 2 Super bowls Eli (because clearly the defense had nothing to do with them), it's time to move forward.
What does running the ball have todo with the past?
lol