Serious Question: If we start 1-6, is Eli getting Benched?

In comment 14101765 AcesUp said:

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Sure. But he looked a long ways away. Eli is and was by far our best option. If we're toast by Thanksgiving, then you throw him in so that we can get an evaluation on him before the next draft. In terms of player development and getting tape on him with live bullets, there are only negatives and no positives in throwing him out there for 8 games vs. 4 games.

Except for the fact that both the GM and head coach vouched for Eli. Both experts said he's fine. For them to backtrack on that would mean they were completely wrong and that they have quit the season. They won't do either of those things.

and of course the 3rd qb is now the most popular player on the team.

What did you people expect? Reese left the cupboard almost bare. Romo was right- the middle of the line consists of a rookie, a bum and a guy who was allowed to leave because he wasn't very good. The right tackle is a turnstyle. We have no functional 3rd wideout (Latimer blows) and one functional tight end who is hurt (Ellison sucks and the 3rd te is a nobody). Shepard is a good possession guy who does not stretch the field. That's it; that's what we have.

Did any of you see Pitt and Baltimore last night? Baltimore has 3 very good wideouts and two tight ends that can catch and run along with two backs who can catch. Pitt has one great wideout and two other very good wideouts and two tight ends that can run and catch and a back who can catch.

You all were so dazzled by ODB and Sequan that you overlooked all of the other deficiencies. Take another look; there are quite a few of them.

In comment 14101746 dep026 said:

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In comment 14101739 Dutch77 said: Quote: People just can't stop living in the past. Why does everything have to be perfect for this guy? Thank you for the 2 Super bowls Eli (because clearly the defense had nothing to do with them), it's time to move forward. What does running the ball have todo with the past? lol

It doesn't, but this idea that Eli is still ELITE (or ever was) and the only issue/problem with this team is the O-Line is comical.

In comment 14101807 Dutch77 said:

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It doesn't, but this idea that Eli is still ELITE (or ever was) and the only issue/problem with this team is the O-Line is comical.

Show one post where ANY poster said Eli was ELITE.

Just one.

In comment 14101466 dep026 said:

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Britt and I are Eli's biggest supporters. Both of us wanted Darnold. It didnt happen. We need to move on. We both understand Eli is nearly done and we really dont have a backup plan.

You both understand Eli is nearly done?? Define "nearly" as I am interested...

In comment 14101468 Britt in VA said:

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is that the main problem that caused all of this all the way back in 2012, is still to blame for the problems today. Not Gilbride, not Coughlin, not Flaherty, not Eli. Fix The O-line. Fix the line, fix the team.

But come draft time..it goes "but but need bpa..not need!"

Hence draft wr, cb, de likes

Nothing lasts forever, and few things end as we want them to...but I think this is going to end uglier than he deserves.

After a couple more losses it's going to start getting chirpy, if it isn't already.

Mara showed his fortitude on this issue last year.

They won't bench him until it's beyond a doubt he's done.

In comment 14102407 Go Terps said:

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Nothing lasts forever, and few things end as we want them to...but I think this is going to end uglier than he deserves.

Yup. It made sense for both parties after last season. After the Redskins game last year you got the sense Eli felt it was over as well as the fans. Would have been a nice ending to an otherwise shit season.

Eli deserves better than how this will unfold. Because you are right, who are Eli’s friends in this team? These guys were in grade school when Eli was hoisting up Lombardi’s.

You can be sure if something happens, Snee, O'Hara, and Diehl are going to make public issue of it and put their two cents in on how he's being mistreated. And I understand their point of view. But it makes it hard for Mara to make a decision he doesn't want to make in the first place.

In comment 14102421 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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You can be sure if something happens, Snee, O'Hara, and Diehl are going to make public issue of it and put their two cents in on how he's being mistreated. And I understand their point of view. But it makes it hard for Mara to make a decision he doesn't want to make in the first place.

So, the mob mentality influences Eli again? This is exactly how franchises get stuck.

In comment 14102424 Sean said:

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In comment 14102421 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: You can be sure if something happens, Snee, O'Hara, and Diehl are going to make public issue of it and put their two cents in on how he's being mistreated. And I understand their point of view. But it makes it hard for Mara to make a decision he doesn't want to make in the first place. So, the mob mentality influences Eli again? This is exactly how franchises get stuck.

People forget how weird and loud the outcry was when he got benched.

And Eli's display of tears didn't help matters.

Eli didn’t make the situation better. The fans were completely out of line.

Unless you leave on top ala Strahan there is no magical exit, so we're left with:

- Option A: Outright bench Manning in his last season as a Giant

- Option B: Align on pulling Manning at a set time in a game and let the rookie get some burn (the fans and Manning already cried about this)

- Option C: Scheme up an even more ridiculous plot where Manning only gets pulled if the game is out-of-hand (like you can control this or something)

- Option D: Manning gets his teeth kicked-in because the line is dreadful, there is no depth at the skill positions, and Manning is old and slow, and gets hurt

The level of commitment they have talked up suggests they're looking for any reason to extend him.

In comment 14102441 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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The level of commitment they have talked up suggests they're looking for any reason to extend him.

You are completely right sadly.

Option E: Do this again next year and be totally surprised with nearly identical results

Me at Eli isn't playing well. Blatantly false. He's not only not getting benched but he will also be the QB next year. The anti Eli crowd is making things up at this point. Elis been solid overall this season

Killdrive had to go; he was the problem

Coughlin had to go; he was the problem

Reese had to go; he was the problem

Eli now has to go because now he's the problem.

Once Eli is gone. whose going to be the next problem when this team is still a shit show.

In comment 14113402 HomerJones45 said:

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Killdrive had to go; he was the problem Coughlin had to go; he was the problem Reese had to go; he was the problem Eli now has to go because now he's the problem. Once Eli is gone. whose going to be the next problem when this team is still a shit show.

What the hell are you talking about?

In comment 14113402 HomerJones45 said:

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Killdrive had to go; he was the problem Coughlin had to go; he was the problem Reese had to go; he was the problem Eli now has to go because now he's the problem. Once Eli is gone. whose going to be the next problem when this team is still a shit show.

Probably can just stick with Eli for a bit until someone else blame-worthy comes around.

second choice is Coach Quinn...

Here are the facts everyone needs to face:
1) Eli will be our starting QB this year and most likely next season as well
2) The Giants will take a QB in the first rd either in 2019 or 2020.
3) The Giants will also make the O-Line a priority in both of those drafts
4) They didn't like any of the QB's this year outside of probably Mayfield thus why none were chosen. Deal with it!
5) Eli is not why we are losing so spare everyone the mental gymnastics being done to blame him for every fucking loss. This was a 3 win team last year that has been massively overhauled. It's going to take some time for it all to jell.

Save for a very few, QBs have been up and down all year. There may be more 300 games than possibly ever, but that’s kinda like the metric for a 1000 yard rusher. When they played 12-14 games per year, a 1000 yard season was considered a job well done. But in 16 games?

Re the 300 yard games, QBs are throwing it 50-60 times per game, sometimes more. So throwing for 300 yards no longer comes close to what it meant when QBs were throwing it in the 30s.

So, Eli has had as good a year as many, if not most, imo

With that guaranteed money, he felt comfortable calling out the QB in public(not by name....yet). OBJ has more leverage than Eli does now. If he starts making noise, this shit will get really ugly, really fast. Tik Tok mutherfuckers. We need to beat the Eagles or this is going to be a shitshow of a season that will make the Geno Smith fiasco look like a summer walk in the park. It is down to one game, this is it.