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1-3 on the way to 8+ wins.

AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2018 11:38 am
What did you guys really expect? The hardest stretch of the schedule is about over and the Giants are 1-3. The Giants have been competitive in 3 of the 4 games. The Oline has been pretty bad but have been playing better. It is reasonable to expect the Giants Defense to improve with the addition of Mauro, Apple and Vernon. Not many of you guys had them at 2-2 at this point going into the season.

Luckily the Giants are just 1 game back in the win column in the division. Tough game against a Carolina team coming off a bye this upcoming weekend. Then a Thursday night home game against a Philly team suffering a bit of a Superbowl hangover. Travel to play a mediocre Atlanta team on 11 days rest and then end the first half of the season against Washington at home. The second half of the season is not all that daunting if the OL continues to play a little better and the defense plays as it should with the personnel they have.

I have my blue colored glasses on this morning. But I do not see this team standing on the edge of the abyss quite yet. I see a team with explosive potential on offense if the OL can continue to slowly improve it's play as a unit. The defense will be better with the addition of Mauro, Apple and Vernon. A deep playoff run is not going to happen even if the Giants manage to sneak into the playoffs by winning a mediocre NFCE. Lack of depth and a subpar OL will be this team Achilles heel.

The Giants will likely be at 1-4 next Monday...but afterwards the path to a 8-9 win season is still there. It will start a week from Thursday against Philly. Win the home division games and get to 3-5 or 4-4 at the bye and go from there.
I agree  
Allen in CNJ : 10/1/2018 11:45 am : link
with you Mike. There's a lot more to look at here despite blaming the QB, O-Line, and just whining about a loss to a superior football team.
If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2018 11:45 am : link
It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.
This group  
rocco8112 : 10/1/2018 11:45 am : link
will need two seasons to get eight wins.

Like your optimism, but I don't see it. They impressed me winning last week when a loss would have been devastating, but I think that may be the high water mark of the year. Until proven otherwise I have no faith in this team and think four and twelve sounds about right for the season. Maybe they squeak to five, the league seems weak overall.
RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/1/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 14101691 Jay on the Island said:
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It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.


Mae dont know that for sure. OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
One thing...  
FranknWeezer : 10/1/2018 11:46 am : link
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Travel to play a mediocre Atlanta team on 11 days rest

That 'mediocre Atlanta team' is going to kick our dicks in. Book it.
8-8  
Thegratefulhead : 10/1/2018 11:46 am : link
I think 8-8 is the best this team as currently constructed can expect. I think we need some things so go our way to get there. Health being the biggest. An injury or 2 and this is 3-5 win team.
*we not Mae  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/1/2018 11:47 am : link
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I haven't given up either  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2018 11:47 am : link
I am hoping for the best but thinking of the worst. The defense has played well enough this season and will be better once Vernon and Apple return. Curtis Riley has to be replaced in the lineup. He is not a starting caliber player. His awful tackling is killing this team. Michael Thomas should move into the starting lineup for the time being. Maybe Sean Chandler can contribute earlier in the season.
i like your  
ron mexico : 10/1/2018 11:47 am : link
enthusiasm.

I hope you are right


Ironically next week is a game at the start of the season I thought we  
Blue21 : 10/1/2018 11:52 am : link
might win. We still might. I don't see an 8 win season now. At the begining of the year I thought maybe 9 wins. I really thought Giants would beat Dallas and Carolina to start the season. Jacksonville loss didn't surprise me and actually gave me confidence because the game was so close for going up against Dallas. Now with the way this "explosive" offense looks I have no confidence in this team at all. 7 wins would be a surprise.
RE: RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
Jay on the Island : 10/1/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 14101694 BigBlue4You09 said:
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It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.



Mae dont know that for sure. OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed

One of the main benefits of having a 1st round pick QB is the cap saving. Adding Herbert and a stop gap plus releasing Eli would bring a cap savings over 10 million the first season plus more once the stop gap is gone and replaced by a cheap rookie or veteran like Lauletta. Take a look at some of the free agent offensive linemen. If Eli was let go the Giants would be able to afford either Trent Brown, Daryl Williams, Donvan Smith, or Ja'Wuan James for RT. There are several good options at guard also with Saffold and Jamon Brown from the Rams, and Quinton Spain. Ali Marpet or Nick Eason are young FA centers.
8 wins?  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/1/2018 11:54 am : link
Where are these wins? I don't see one team on the calendar thats an easy win. SF without Jimmy G? Maybe? The Colts, Titans will be very competitive games barring health issues.
Injuries could obviously wreck it  
AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2018 11:55 am : link
But when you add back one of your best defensive players, a good CB and a DE who knows the system. This defense should get better...perhaps alot better. The OL is trickier...but just a little better will make a difference. 3-5 is not an unreasonable expectation at the bye. @Philly and Bears are the only second half games that scare you.
We are the team on everyone elses  
bradshaw44 : 10/1/2018 11:57 am : link
schedule that fans look at as an easy W. We don't have that luxury. We are the road kill in the NFL.
I like your optimism  
ShockNRoll : 10/1/2018 11:59 am : link
but no longer share it. A lot of the games we thought later in the season would be winnable are presenting as much more difficult. This tough 7 game stretch to start the season doesn't end with a game against a bad Redskins team, they look pretty good so far. You can't pencil the Chicago game into the W column anymore, they may be the best team in the NFC outside of the Rams. Luck appears to be back, at least close to 100%, Tennessee is quietly 3-1 beating some of the best teams in the league, Tampa just got clobbered but are a lot better than everyone expected...

It looked like if the Giants could just stay afloat the first 7 games that they could take advantage of a weak schedule after that. That no longer appears to be the case. If they are miraculously 3-4 after 7, I do not see 5 wins with @ Was, @ SF, TB, @ Phi, Chi, @ Was, Ten, @ Ind, Dal. I realistically see a split with Washington at best, split the SF/TB games, split the Ten/Ind games and maybe split with a floundering Eagles team. That gets them to 5 wins, which after watching these first 4 games, seems about right to me.
Agree with your optimism  
BBelle21 : 10/1/2018 12:03 pm : link
Keep correcting and fighting. Giants seasons have always been roller coasters and there are encouraging things happening with this team in spite of all the angst and anger by some
RE: RE: RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/1/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14101714 Jay on the Island said:
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It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.



Mae dont know that for sure. OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed


One of the main benefits of having a 1st round pick QB is the cap saving. Adding Herbert and a stop gap plus releasing Eli would bring a cap savings over 10 million the first season plus more once the stop gap is gone and replaced by a cheap rookie or veteran like Lauletta. Take a look at some of the free agent offensive linemen. If Eli was let go the Giants would be able to afford either Trent Brown, Daryl Williams, Donvan Smith, or Ja'Wuan James for RT. There are several good options at guard also with Saffold and Jamon Brown from the Rams, and Quinton Spain. Ali Marpet or Nick Eason are young FA centers.


I agree about the QB and cap savings. I guess my point was its still no guarantee free agents will sign here. Its a phenomenal draft for tackles, lots will go in the first round, especially high. Only time will tell which direction they go in.
I believe this defense is as good at 2016  
AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2018 12:12 pm : link
when they get Vernon, Mauro and Apple back on the field.
The offense has the potential to be much better. There are no easy wins on the schedule...but I don't think there are many definite losses.

The wins are the home divisional games Washington, Philly and Dallas. Other wins are TB, Atlanta on 11 days rest, SF and Colts. They can win Titans and @Wash as well...but that is getting greedy :-). The difference between winning and losing is so small in the NFL. The addition or subtraction of one or two players can make all the difference.
RE: We are the team on everyone elses  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/1/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14101725 bradshaw44 said:
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schedule that fans look at as an easy W. We don't have that luxury. We are the road kill in the NFL.


+1.

Give the last few holdouts some more time; they'll eventually catch on. Maybe.
RE: RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 14101694 BigBlue4You09 said:
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OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed


Nothing will matter more to next year than the OL. Get the OL fixed and the QB spot will take care of itself.
RE: RE: RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
BigBlue4You09 : 10/1/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14101770 AnnapolisMike said:
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OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed



Nothing will matter more to next year than the OL. Get the OL fixed and the QB spot will take care of itself.


Exactly, blows my mind they drafted two QBs without addressing the oline. And not mobile QBs either. Just makes no sense. And it wasnt just Reese, the new regime did it too.
They couldn't beat...  
silverfox : 10/1/2018 12:33 pm : link
...the browns at this point. 8-8 is unrealistic and that's being kind.
The optimist  
Daniel in MI : 10/1/2018 12:40 pm : link
Side of me hopes youre right. We know this stuff can be nonlinear. When we won in 07 we were completely mediocre to start off the year. The team could gel, we could figure out what works, we can improve. Things could click.

On the other hand - as I think might have been mentioned? - its hard to see it with this OL. Playing just average would be such an elevation. Theres so little to hang your hat on and say what we do well and could build on. Run blocking? No. Pass blocking? No. Maybe we could kick a lot? Or, is there another option for the O besides running or passing?
I hope you're right  
MookGiants : 10/1/2018 12:44 pm : link
but this is the definition of blind optimism.

This team has sucked for a long time now. 2016 was a fluke, they won every close game and the defense played at a level that they will never come close to repeating.

Half of the teams that played this week scored 30+ points. The last time the Giants scored 30 points in a game was january 3rd, 2016.

This team has 5-11 written all over it.
RE: RE: RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
MookGiants : 10/1/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14101770 AnnapolisMike said:
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OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed



Nothing will matter more to next year than the OL. Get the OL fixed and the QB spot will take care of itself.


The QB spot will take care of itself? You're kidding, right? Next year Eli will be 38, and he has been poor for a while now. He's not capable of consistently being a good quarterback at this point. Mentally he's finished, and physically he is diminished
This is a copycat league  
gmenatlarge : 10/1/2018 12:48 pm : link
and the blueprint to beat the giants is out, just keep Beckham and Barkley in check and they can't score more than 20 points, pretty simple.
HIlarious!  
GiantNatty : 10/1/2018 12:57 pm : link
8+ wins? Are you kidding me?

We've won 4 of the last 20 games yet some of you think it's going to just turn around by itself? The line doesn't need to "get better," it needs to play perfectly or this QB doesn't stand a chance.

There are bad teams in the NFL every year. Why is so hard for some of you to realize that the Giants are one of them?

So why watch this year? To look for marginal improvements, let some of the young guys get some good experience, figure out who the core players are, and hope that the Giants upgrade the QB position sooner rather than later. It's not going to get better until.
Uh, have you looked at the remaining schedule?  
bw in dc : 10/1/2018 1:06 pm : link
Which of those games are we going to be favored?

And now tell me where the 7-8 wins are?

Because that remaining schedule is very challenging. Ad I struggle to find 3 more wins.

The Giants just  
Les in TO : 10/1/2018 1:14 pm : link
Scored 18 points including one garbage time TD against a terrible defense on their home field. This team is not winning 8 games
I agree with Rocco  
arniefez : 10/1/2018 1:28 pm : link
8 wins might take all of next year too.
The certainty with which  
allstarjim : 10/1/2018 1:39 pm : link
People think Justin Herbert is going to be this tremendous NFL QB is both humerous and beffudling.

21 college games, 1 bowl game (Las Vegas Bowl, he lost and turned the ball over 3 times).

He's a junior and may not come out into the draft next year.

There are other highly rated QB prospects and the college season hasn't even hit the half-way point, so relax.
people refuse to believe  
AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2018 1:39 pm : link
That teams have ebbs and flows. That the addition and subtraction of players makes a difference. They want to say you are what your record says you are...but then dismiss an 11-5 season as an aberration. They say Eli is finished...yet he is on pace to complete 75% of his passes, throw for 4200 yards and has a QB rating of 99. He has been so bad he even has thrown 1 INT.

Give me a fucking break...Eli is not the problem here. Could he be better...sure. But he is not the reason the Giants are 1-3. The weakness of this team is the OL and a paper thin defense. But I suppose there is no way a group that just started playing together has any chance to get better? The addition of Vernon, Apple and Mauro will probably make the D worse too.
RE: If this season gets us Justin Herbert  
Dutch77 : 10/1/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14101691 Jay on the Island said:
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It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.



Mike, you are spot on Sir. I'm a Justin Herbert hopeful as well.
What 7 teams are worse than the giantsuck?  
thrunthrublue : 10/1/2018 1:59 pm : link
No O line blocking, with a qb more skittish than Hoffman in rain man with a defense being gassed by the inept offense, which leads to long scoring drives by opponents, followed by a heavy dose of three and outs/turnovers by the offense....is a recipe for 3 and 13, at best. Were onto 2020, nothing more to hope for than that
RE: What 7 teams are worse than the giantsuck?  
AnnapolisMike : 10/1/2018 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14101966 thrunthrublue said:
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No O line blocking, with a qb more skittish than Hoffman in rain man with a defense being gassed by the inept offense, which leads to long scoring drives by opponents, followed by a heavy dose of three and outs/turnovers by the offense....is a recipe for 3 and 13, at best. Were onto 2020, nothing more to hope for than that


So you would therefore contend that the Giants OL can't improve at all? And that the addition of Mauro, Vernon and Apple means nothing for the performance of the defense?
the best this team can do is 4-12  
gidiefor : Mod : 10/1/2018 2:43 pm : link
imo
I'm thinking the same Gidiefor ...initially  
Bluesbreaker : 10/1/2018 2:59 pm : link
I was like 6-10 o 10-6 ..unless the O-line really starts
to gel, were not gonna see much more than 6 wins we gave
the Jags a pretty good game din't even get off the plane
in Dallas got a win from a not that great Texan team snd
got exposed again against a piss poor Saints defense .
This offense can't maintain drives and is once again settling for FG's can things turn around sure but not enough
to even go 500 at this point .
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micky : 10/1/2018 3:10 pm : link
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The OL is not going to get magically better  
joe48 : 10/1/2018 7:26 pm : link
Until we show that we can run block for Barkley consistently this team will not win another game!
The OL is not going to get magically better  
joe48 : 10/1/2018 7:29 pm : link
Until we show that we can run block for Barkley consistently this team will not win another game!
We still have  
mrvax : 10/1/2018 8:28 pm : link
a drunkard's dream of losing 3 more games, finishing 10-6 and winning the division. Need OV, Apple Jacks & Engram back. Oh, and the Oline needs to be able to run & pass block better.
I'm not giving up hope on 8 wins, its possible if we improve a little  
SteelGiant : 10/1/2018 9:09 pm : link
we have one now
I think we could beat these 5
Redskins
49ers
Redskins
Bucs
Colts

That would make 6, which means we would have to beat 2 of these:
Panthers
Eagles
Falcons
Titans
Eagles
Bears
Cowboys

This team is not great but 8 wins is not out the realm of possibilities. Before the season started I was thinking 8-8. Before the season started I didn't think it was outlandish to starting 0-4 and still finishing with 8 wins. I think I would have had us starting 0-3 and maybe beating the Saints. This was going to be a rough start of schedule. The Bears are better than expected with the addition of Mack or I would have predicted that game as a win.
RE: I'm not giving up hope on 8 wins, its possible if we improve a little  
giantstock : 10/1/2018 10:27 pm : link
In comment 14102609 SteelGiant said:
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we have one now
I think we could beat these 5
Redskins
49ers
Redskins
Bucs
Colts

That would make 6, which means we would have to beat 2 of these:
Panthers
Eagles
Falcons
Titans
Eagles
Bears
Cowboys

This team is not great but 8 wins is not out the realm of possibilities. Before the season started I was thinking 8-8. Before the season started I didn't think it was outlandish to starting 0-4 and still finishing with 8 wins. I think I would have had us starting 0-3 and maybe beating the Saints. This was going to be a rough start of schedule. The Bears are better than expected with the addition of Mack or I would have predicted that game as a win.


You're just as crazy as the oP. OFC sometimes crazy can be right. SO you just throw in there that we're going to take 2 from the SKins? While possible -- anything is to an extent-- you're homerism is showing. The 49ers in San Fran - and TB did defeat the Saints. Sure they can win-- but they are so inconsistent they are just as likely to lose. --

or is it for Homer Giants fans that for any team that is slightly above or below average that they won't play consistently but the Gmen are destined to be more consistent. -- Yeah right.
Delusional nutjob.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/2/2018 2:14 am : link
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The division sucks  
AnnapolisMike : 10/8/2018 11:57 pm : link
It's not far fetched that the Giants could be sitting at 4-4 in three weeks. Philly is reeling, Atlanta is not good and neither is Washington. Gotta start by beating Philly and roll from there.
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