What did you guys really expect? The hardest stretch of the schedule is about over and the Giants are 1-3. The Giants have been competitive in 3 of the 4 games. The Oline has been pretty bad but have been playing better. It is reasonable to expect the Giants Defense to improve with the addition of Mauro, Apple and Vernon. Not many of you guys had them at 2-2 at this point going into the season.
Luckily the Giants are just 1 game back in the win column in the division. Tough game against a Carolina team coming off a bye this upcoming weekend. Then a Thursday night home game against a Philly team suffering a bit of a Superbowl hangover. Travel to play a mediocre Atlanta team on 11 days rest and then end the first half of the season against Washington at home. The second half of the season is not all that daunting if the OL continues to play a little better and the defense plays as it should with the personnel they have.
I have my blue colored glasses on this morning. But I do not see this team standing on the edge of the abyss quite yet. I see a team with explosive potential on offense if the OL can continue to slowly improve it's play as a unit. The defense will be better with the addition of Mauro, Apple and Vernon. A deep playoff run is not going to happen even if the Giants manage to sneak into the playoffs by winning a mediocre NFCE. Lack of depth and a subpar OL will be this team Achilles heel.
The Giants will likely be at 1-4 next Monday...but afterwards the path to a 8-9 win season is still there. It will start a week from Thursday against Philly. Win the home division games and get to 3-5 or 4-4 at the bye and go from there.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.
Like your optimism, but I don't see it. They impressed me winning last week when a loss would have been devastating, but I think that may be the high water mark of the year. Until proven otherwise I have no faith in this team and think four and twelve sounds about right for the season. Maybe they squeak to five, the league seems weak overall.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.
Mae dont know that for sure. OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
That 'mediocre Atlanta team' is going to kick our dicks in. Book it.
I hope you are right
Quote:
It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.
Mae dont know that for sure. OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
One of the main benefits of having a 1st round pick QB is the cap saving. Adding Herbert and a stop gap plus releasing Eli would bring a cap savings over 10 million the first season plus more once the stop gap is gone and replaced by a cheap rookie or veteran like Lauletta. Take a look at some of the free agent offensive linemen. If Eli was let go the Giants would be able to afford either Trent Brown, Daryl Williams, Donvan Smith, or Ja'Wuan James for RT. There are several good options at guard also with Saffold and Jamon Brown from the Rams, and Quinton Spain. Ali Marpet or Nick Eason are young FA centers.
It looked like if the Giants could just stay afloat the first 7 games that they could take advantage of a weak schedule after that. That no longer appears to be the case. If they are miraculously 3-4 after 7, I do not see 5 wins with @ Was, @ SF, TB, @ Phi, Chi, @ Was, Ten, @ Ind, Dal. I realistically see a split with Washington at best, split the SF/TB games, split the Ten/Ind games and maybe split with a floundering Eagles team. That gets them to 5 wins, which after watching these first 4 games, seems about right to me.
Quote:
In comment 14101691 Jay on the Island said:
Quote:
It will be well worth it.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.
Mae dont know that for sure. OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
One of the main benefits of having a 1st round pick QB is the cap saving. Adding Herbert and a stop gap plus releasing Eli would bring a cap savings over 10 million the first season plus more once the stop gap is gone and replaced by a cheap rookie or veteran like Lauletta. Take a look at some of the free agent offensive linemen. If Eli was let go the Giants would be able to afford either Trent Brown, Daryl Williams, Donvan Smith, or Ja'Wuan James for RT. There are several good options at guard also with Saffold and Jamon Brown from the Rams, and Quinton Spain. Ali Marpet or Nick Eason are young FA centers.
I agree about the QB and cap savings. I guess my point was its still no guarantee free agents will sign here. Its a phenomenal draft for tackles, lots will go in the first round, especially high. Only time will tell which direction they go in.
The offense has the potential to be much better. There are no easy wins on the schedule...but I don't think there are many definite losses.
The wins are the home divisional games Washington, Philly and Dallas. Other wins are TB, Atlanta on 11 days rest, SF and Colts. They can win Titans and @Wash as well...but that is getting greedy :-). The difference between winning and losing is so small in the NFL. The addition or subtraction of one or two players can make all the difference.
+1.
Give the last few holdouts some more time; they'll eventually catch on. Maybe.
OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
Nothing will matter more to next year than the OL. Get the OL fixed and the QB spot will take care of itself.
Quote:
OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
Nothing will matter more to next year than the OL. Get the OL fixed and the QB spot will take care of itself.
Exactly, blows my mind they drafted two QBs without addressing the oline. And not mobile QBs either. Just makes no sense. And it wasnt just Reese, the new regime did it too.
On the other hand - as I think might have been mentioned? - its hard to see it with this OL. Playing just average would be such an elevation. Theres so little to hang your hat on and say what we do well and could build on. Run blocking? No. Pass blocking? No. Maybe we could kick a lot? Or, is there another option for the O besides running or passing?
This team has sucked for a long time now. 2016 was a fluke, they won every close game and the defense played at a level that they will never come close to repeating.
Half of the teams that played this week scored 30+ points. The last time the Giants scored 30 points in a game was january 3rd, 2016.
This team has 5-11 written all over it.
Quote:
OL needs to be addressed first and foremost. Nothing else matters until its fixed
Nothing will matter more to next year than the OL. Get the OL fixed and the QB spot will take care of itself.
The QB spot will take care of itself? You're kidding, right? Next year Eli will be 38, and he has been poor for a while now. He's not capable of consistently being a good quarterback at this point. Mentally he's finished, and physically he is diminished
We've won 4 of the last 20 games yet some of you think it's going to just turn around by itself? The line doesn't need to "get better," it needs to play perfectly or this QB doesn't stand a chance.
There are bad teams in the NFL every year. Why is so hard for some of you to realize that the Giants are one of them?
So why watch this year? To look for marginal improvements, let some of the young guys get some good experience, figure out who the core players are, and hope that the Giants upgrade the QB position sooner rather than later. It's not going to get better until.
And now tell me where the 7-8 wins are?
Because that remaining schedule is very challenging. Ad I struggle to find 3 more wins.
21 college games, 1 bowl game (Las Vegas Bowl, he lost and turned the ball over 3 times).
He's a junior and may not come out into the draft next year.
There are other highly rated QB prospects and the college season hasn't even hit the half-way point, so relax.
Give me a fucking break...Eli is not the problem here. Could he be better...sure. But he is not the reason the Giants are 1-3. The weakness of this team is the OL and a paper thin defense. But I suppose there is no way a group that just started playing together has any chance to get better? The addition of Vernon, Apple and Mauro will probably make the D worse too.
A future depth chart featuring Herbert, Barkley, Beckham, Engram, and Shepard is exciting. They would also have the cap room to address the offensive line in free agency.
Mike, you are spot on Sir. I'm a Justin Herbert hopeful as well.
So you would therefore contend that the Giants OL can't improve at all? And that the addition of Mauro, Vernon and Apple means nothing for the performance of the defense?
to gel, were not gonna see much more than 6 wins we gave
the Jags a pretty good game din't even get off the plane
in Dallas got a win from a not that great Texan team snd
got exposed again against a piss poor Saints defense .
This offense can't maintain drives and is once again settling for FG's can things turn around sure but not enough
to even go 500 at this point .
Link - ( New Window )
I think we could beat these 5
Redskins
49ers
Redskins
Bucs
Colts
That would make 6, which means we would have to beat 2 of these:
Panthers
Eagles
Falcons
Titans
Eagles
Bears
Cowboys
This team is not great but 8 wins is not out the realm of possibilities. Before the season started I was thinking 8-8. Before the season started I didn't think it was outlandish to starting 0-4 and still finishing with 8 wins. I think I would have had us starting 0-3 and maybe beating the Saints. This was going to be a rough start of schedule. The Bears are better than expected with the addition of Mack or I would have predicted that game as a win.
I think we could beat these 5
Redskins
49ers
Redskins
Bucs
Colts
That would make 6, which means we would have to beat 2 of these:
Panthers
Eagles
Falcons
Titans
Eagles
Bears
Cowboys
This team is not great but 8 wins is not out the realm of possibilities. Before the season started I was thinking 8-8. Before the season started I didn't think it was outlandish to starting 0-4 and still finishing with 8 wins. I think I would have had us starting 0-3 and maybe beating the Saints. This was going to be a rough start of schedule. The Bears are better than expected with the addition of Mack or I would have predicted that game as a win.
You're just as crazy as the oP. OFC sometimes crazy can be right. SO you just throw in there that we're going to take 2 from the SKins? While possible -- anything is to an extent-- you're homerism is showing. The 49ers in San Fran - and TB did defeat the Saints. Sure they can win-- but they are so inconsistent they are just as likely to lose. --
or is it for Homer Giants fans that for any team that is slightly above or below average that they won't play consistently but the Gmen are destined to be more consistent. -- Yeah right.