10 team PPR league. My team is:
QB: Brees
RBs: Gurley, McCaffrey, Ingram, White, Breida, Chubb
WR: Hilton, Tate, Fuller, Ridley, Funchess
TE: Gronk, Reed
The team I'm trading with has:
QB: Cousins, Wentz
RB: Howard, Bernard, Miller, Drake, Hines
WR: Michael Thomas, Julio, Boyd, Goodwin, Westbrook
TE: Graham
I offered James White and Calvin Ridley for Julio Jones. This is obviously a good trade for me as Julio is an upgrade over Ridley, and I don't have much use for White anymore with Ingram returning from his suspension. For the other team, it's a good trade as White is better than all his RBs in PPR.
So a few teams in my league did not like this trade and wanted to veto it because they felt I was ripping the other guy off. Yes I definitely think I am getting the better end of the deal, but I don't feel like I'm robbing the guy. He agreed to the trade, and it is clearly not collusion. Should this trade be vetoed?
Bench players? White is the #8 RB in a PPR right now. Ridley is #11 WR.
If that trade gets vetoed, you should find a new league next season.
Trades should only be vetoed when there is a) truly a reason to suspect collusion or b) incompetence so compelling that it’s bad for the long-term intersstnof the league.
My barometer is this - if you are telling me that a trade needs to be vetoed, you’re telling me that there is a manager (or two) that needs to be removed from the league going forward.
to the guy who responded earlier saying Julio is a stud... LOL. Then draft him with your first pick next year and see what happens.
I will say the same thing to the people who insist on taking Gronk with their second pick. How is that working out for you?
to the guy who responded earlier saying Julio is a stud... LOL. Then draft him with your first pick next year and see what happens.
I will say the same thing to the people who insist on taking Gronk with their second pick. How is that working out for you?
Took Gronk in the early third after Mccaffrey in the second. All the Tier 1 WRs were gone so Gronk made sense there. Didn’t want to take a guy like Hill or Diggs
I've said it before, I will not play in a league that allows league votes to veto a trade. If both parties agree in their best interest, it's a valid trade.
I am the commish of three leagues and I've never vetoed a trade even if I felt it was lopsided, because I knew the players would not and did not collude. People can complain sometimes, but usually they are complaining only because the trade benefits another team and not them. Tough crap, get over it.
Also, I agree with the other poster that thinks you are getting the worse end of the deal, particularly if this is a PPR league.
I've said it before, I will not play in a league that allows league votes to veto a trade. If both parties agree in their best interest, it's a valid trade.
I am the commish of three leagues and I've never vetoed a trade even if I felt it was lopsided, because I knew the players would not and did not collude. People can complain sometimes, but usually they are complaining only because the trade benefits another team and not them. Tough crap, get over it.
Also, I agree with the other poster that thinks you are getting the worse end of the deal, particularly if this is a PPR league.
Don't think I'm getting the worse end. Julio is an upgrade over Ridley and White has no use on my team since I already have Gurley, Mccaffrey, and Ingram. But the fact that there are some people who I think I won the trade and some people who think the other team won the trade just shows how ridiculous it is that some people want to veto it.
Ridley has twice as many TDs in his last 3 games than Julio had all of last season.
Julio has 9 TDs in hisast 34 games spanning 3 seasons. That's not what you want from your stud. And I get it, he gets a lot of defensive attention, but in fantasy football only results matter, not the reasons why.
As far as White goes, we are just getting into bye weeks in week 5 of the season and you've decided you don't need a guy that is the #7 overall RB in FPPG thus far and #6 overall. Frankly, he should be your starter over Ingram, at least in the near term.
You are acting as if he is a throw-in because he's on your bench. He's not, he's very valuable and not only are you discounting the fact that injuries happen and the fact that 2 of your 3 other RBs still have byes upcoming anyway, he's better on your bench than your opponent's team. Not only are you losing that trade, you're getting your ass handed to you in that trade.
Trade:
QB Matt Ryan
WR Stefon Diggs
TE David Njoku
FOR...
QB Case Keenum
WR Mike Evans or WR Michael Thomas
TE Jared Cook
I'm the one getting Ryan. Do you think this is a fair trade? I'm trying to sell high on Cook. And which one do you think I should trade away, Evans or Thomas?
I'll also say: part of the reason I'm trying to get Diggs is because I have Thielen. I know some people think it's a bad idea to have 2 WRs on the same team, but honestly in this situation I don't think it is. Cousins is going to be throwing a lot and will have a big year and I'll get all of his yards and TDs with his clear-cut top 2 receivers basically. Between the two of them they are averaging ~23 targets a game and ~28 points.
But, still, instead of trading Cook for Njoku, I'm also kind of tempted to instead trade Robert Woods or Edelman (if he'll take Edelman) for one his lower-end WRs. Just trying to figure out ways to sweeten the deal to get Ryan while still hanging on to Cook since he is currently the top producing TE in fantasy. This league is 2 QBs, 2 WRs, 2 RBs, 2 W/R/Ts.
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Bad trade. Bench players for a stud. I was offered Ecjker and Lockett for Melvin Gordon. I laughed at him
Bench players? White is the #8 RB in a PPR right now. Ridley is #11 WR.
If that trade gets vetoed, you should find a new league next season.
Bench players meaning they are on his fantasy Ben h since he has better players. White is in a timeshare and I feel Sony will own that Most touches soon And If Ridley and White are so valuable why are you willing to give up both for Julio who would start on your team.
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Bad trade. Bench players for a stud. I was offered Ecjker and Lockett for Melvin Gordon. I laughed at him
Bench players? White is the #8 RB in a PPR right now. Ridley is #11 WR.
If that trade gets vetoed, you should find a new league next season.
Bench players meaning they are on his fantasy Ben h since he has better players. White is in a timeshare and I feel Sony will own that Most touches soon And If Ridley and White are so valuable why are you willing to give up both for Julio who would start on your team.
White is not in a timeshare. He has a very specific role that Michel isn't taking away, and he has Brady's trust. Now that doesn't mean he's going to be this efficient with his touches and keep up his top 10 production. But he has a consistent role. As for on the OP's bench, I'd start White over Ingram right now - actually have that decision in a league this week and have White locked in my lineup.
Ridley is also a starter for the OP, especially this week considering TY and likely Fuller are both out.
Personally I wouldn't make this deal if I was the OP. I don't think it's quite the ass-raping that allstarjim does, but Julio's lack of TDs is a legit concern.
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In comment 14105493 superspynyg said:
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Bad trade. Bench players for a stud. I was offered Ecjker and Lockett for Melvin Gordon. I laughed at him
Bench players? White is the #8 RB in a PPR right now. Ridley is #11 WR.
If that trade gets vetoed, you should find a new league next season.
Bench players meaning they are on his fantasy Ben h since he has better players. White is in a timeshare and I feel Sony will own that Most touches soon And If Ridley and White are so valuable why are you willing to give up both for Julio who would start on your team.
White is not in a timeshare. He has a very specific role that Michel isn't taking away, and he has Brady's trust. Now that doesn't mean he's going to be this efficient with his touches and keep up his top 10 production. But he has a consistent role. As for on the OP's bench, I'd start White over Ingram right now - actually have that decision in a league this week and have White locked in my lineup.
Ridley is also a starter for the OP, especially this week considering TY and likely Fuller are both out.
Personally I wouldn't make this deal if I was the OP. I don't think it's quite the ass-raping that allstarjim does, but Julio's lack of TDs is a legit concern.
You're right, when I said he was getting his ass handed to him it was too far. However, if Julio has another 3-6 TD season and Ridley and White keeps up this production all season, then he is getting his ass handed to him. There are arguments to be made that Ridley will not (he's a rookie, benefitting from extra attention paid to Julio and defenses could change how they defend him). However, this is 3 games in a row with at least a TD, and he's a superb talent, that's obvious.
It's been clear that for whatever reason, Julio hasn't been able to get in the end zone on a consistent basis for a long time. It's also clear that Ridley is not a flash in the pan.
I don't think there's any argument that White is a very valuable PPR running back.
So however you characterize it, it's a loser on it's face and could end up being a disastrous trade for OP, and I certainly wouldn't make it. In fact, I have Julio in one league and am now considering offering him in a trade because of this thread.
Don't think I'm getting the worse end. Julio is an upgrade over Ridley and White has no use on my team since I already have Gurley, Mccaffrey, and Ingram. But the fact that there are some people who I think I won the trade and some people who think the other team won the trade just shows how ridiculous it is that some people want to veto it.
Right now, I would rather have Ridley over Julio straight up. How many TDs has Julio caught over the past 10 years? I do not even think he can get separation like he used to. Relying on jump balls that they do not even throw to him in the red zone. Ridley has already become Ryan's safety net and that guy can get open on every play.
I would have kept Ridley and traded White to some other guy in the league. But hey... that's just me.
White is great in PPR, and I think he will continue to produce in that offense because he has a defined role with no threat of losing that role, meaning his floor is super high. But his ceiling is not very high and he's likely had his best weeks behind him with Edelman returning to steal some targets. With Gurley and McCaffrey (who already had his bye) on my team, I'm never going to bench them for White. There may be times where I would rather start White over Ingram like this week, but in the long run I'd rather have Ingram as his ceiling is higher, and I can afford to take that risk since I have McCaffrey and Gurley on my team as super reliable RB options.