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Re-watched 4th Quarter

nygfaninorlando : 10/7/2018 8:59 pm
Frustrating beyond belief but optimistic and hopeful this is a tipping point for the organization.

First and foremost McAffrey was short of the line to gain on 3rd down. The spike on the next play should’ve ended the game. Not sure of what Boger and crew were doing here. Hopefully we hear an explanation.

Secondly, Barkley and OBJ are a real treat and generational talents at their positions. If we ever get the OL sorted out (and they did play better today), the O will be scary good either with Eli for this year or a rookie QB moving forward.

As for Eli, I think he showed again today with adequate protection he can still produce with the game on the line. He moved around the pocket and made some huge throws. He did have the wtf interception but let’s face it he’s had those throughout his career.

Lastly, the penalties. Not sure what the NFL can do here but it’s not sustainable if they hope to be the premiere product moving forward. The unnecessary roughness or helmet to helmet on Collins or Thomas (who I think they meant was absolute BS). Not sure what either of them are supposed to do different in this situation at full speed. The non face mask call on Barkley (after they threw a flag on the field) was ridiculous. Not to mention the missed face mask call on Shepard. Throw in the roughing the passer that went against the Giants and negated a huge holding call and that was all too much to overcome. These subjective calls directly contribute to wins and losses. Yet, despite all this, it took a Herculean kick (2nd longest in NFL history) for the Panthers to win on their home field. Have to tip your cap to Gano. The kick would’ve been good from 70 yards.

I’d like to think this loss and the way it ended galvanizes the team moving forward. With all that’s gone wrong the first 5 games, we’re competitive for the most part (unlike last year) and if things go as they should for Cowboys and Redskins, we’re only 1 game out of the division lead when the dust settles tomorrow night. Beat the Eagles at home Thursday and we could be setup for meaningful and exciting final 10 games as the schedule eases up. We shall see.
The broadcast yellow line is unofficial  
SHO'NUFF : 10/7/2018 9:02 pm : link
so we might be wrong about the 4th down spike.
Agreed on the yellow line  
nygfaninorlando : 10/7/2018 9:05 pm : link
but go back and look (if you can stomach it) where the 1st and 10 started
Agreed, everyone has to calm down for a second.  
Leg of Theismann : 10/7/2018 9:06 pm : link
The Eagles are 2-3 and Falcons are 1-4, so these next 2 games do not as impossible as they did a few weeks ago. Then we have the Skins before the bye.

This team has fought hard, been in very tight games, got royally SCREWED OVER by the refs the last 2 weeks. If somehow they can reel off 3 straight wins all of a sudden they're in 1st place in the East. Fortunes can turn on a dime in the NFL, and that's not totally out of the realm of possibility, so let's hang in there for a minute.
RE: Agreed, everyone has to calm down for a second.  
jnoble : 10/7/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 14112603 Leg of Theismann said:
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The Eagles are 2-3 and Falcons are 1-4, so these next 2 games do not as impossible as they did a few weeks ago. Then we have the Skins before the bye.

This team has fought hard, been in very tight games, got royally SCREWED OVER by the refs the last 2 weeks. If somehow they can reel off 3 straight wins all of a sudden they're in 1st place in the East. Fortunes can turn on a dime in the NFL, and that's not totally out of the realm of possibility, so let's hang in there for a minute.


That and OBJ & Barkley are only going to get better as the offense gells down the stretch
Not saying the fix is in but...  
RedZone88 : 10/7/2018 9:16 pm : link
It would be so easy for refs to fix games with these rules. This is almost worse than soccer.
Newton spiked the ball  
Sy'56 : 10/7/2018 9:22 pm : link
because refs signaled first down. Stop.
Yes  
B in ALB : 10/7/2018 9:23 pm : link
clearly, Newton thought there was a fifth down.
If it's close they should have measured it  
PetesHereNow : 10/7/2018 9:27 pm : link
a 4th down play would have been very risky for Carolina, because they would have a) had to get 1 yard or more and b) probably get out of bounds in order to stop the clock.
RE: Yes  
dep026 : 10/7/2018 9:31 pm : link
In comment 14112650 B in ALB said:
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clearly, Newton thought there was a fifth down.


I mean kordell Stewart did and even threw a TD on it!!! Haha
RE: Newton spiked the ball  
nyballa0891 : 10/7/2018 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14112647 Sy'56 said:
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because refs signaled first down. Stop.


Regardless, it changes the course of the game and situation.
RE: RE: Newton spiked the ball  
Sy'56 : 10/7/2018 9:39 pm : link
In comment 14112681 nyballa0891 said:
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In comment 14112647 Sy'56 said:


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because refs signaled first down. Stop.



Regardless, it changes the course of the game and situation.


So do team's mistakes. NYG had plenty
Still doesn't mean  
uconngiant : 10/7/2018 11:30 pm : link
That it wasn't a bad call and that is the point. The ref's should have measured it instead of giving them a first down.
I won't even go into the hit to the head that was called on the Giants which was ridiculous
Howie Long in the  
section125 : 10/8/2018 12:20 am : link
OT Report said he thought that McCaffery was short. Strahan had a dig on the refereeing...
they would have never spiked  
hassan : 10/8/2018 1:52 am : link
if it was not called a first down. it should have been measured and they would have attempted fg then as clock would be at 3 seconds or less. don’t know why people are making this out as so big.

the bad officiating was horrendous in sustaining panther drives prior to that.

giants also shot themselves in foot with bad plays.
RE: they would have never spiked  
Bill L : 10/8/2018 6:51 am : link
In comment 14112977 hassan said:
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if it was not called a first down. it should have been measured and they would have attempted fg then as clock would be at 3 seconds or less. don’t know why people are making this out as so big.

the bad officiating was horrendous in sustaining panther drives prior to that.

giants also shot themselves in foot with bad plays.

Because waiting for the measurements, making a decision on what to do, switching units as fast as you can, getting everyone set and calm enough not to have a procedure penalty, and rushing a 63 yard FG attempt pretty much guarantees that you would get the same outcome.
Play the ball not the call  
idiotsavant : 10/8/2018 7:01 am : link
That said. Refs should be paid and paid well. Those old red nosed bummies are sullying the product.
We didn't..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 8:12 am : link
have the benefit of the yellow line at the stadium and McCaffery not only looked short - it looked a yard short.

I'd like to see the broadcast to see if Boger made the motion for the chain guys to move because where the ball was spotted it was clearly short.
i understand  
hassan : 10/8/2018 8:53 am : link
the situational difference but the measure would have ensured a full play clock. Panthers also had time run out resetting at the line for the spike which would have been regained.
People keep saying this was a tipping point  
mittenedman : 10/8/2018 9:24 am : link
or some kind of metamorphosis.

This was the exact same team we've grown accustomed to. Sure they scored 31. But it was too little too late, unbelievably dumb & irresponsible plays & penalties, gift-wrapped TDs, the D not wrapping up on 3rd down, the RB getting swarmed in the backfield, special teams sucking, etc.

Same story, different game.

The Giants don't do enough things consistently well to win football games. They flash but then random areas of the team misfire and they are overall very stupid.
Nice outlook...  
Dan in the Springs : 10/8/2018 9:28 am : link
I'll take exception with just one small point.

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the O will be scary good either with Eli for this year or a rookie QB moving forward.


A rookie QB could most certainly mean some growing pains for at least a couple of years. Even with a very good OL. Don't be so certain that Eli can easily be replaced or even upgraded with a rookie.
How is this true??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 9:34 am : link
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Sure they scored 31. But it was too little too late


We have two threads arguing essentially that it was too much, too early.

We scored the go ahead TD with a minute left. That isn't too little or too late. Despite mistakes, the offense left the field with a lead.
They spotted the ball at the 45 yard line after that run..there is no  
fredgbrown : 10/8/2018 9:37 am : link
he got to 45. The ball barely made it to the 45 and 1/2 .
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