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Scoring too soon, leaving too much time on the clock.

since1925 : 10/7/2018 10:33 pm
When we scored with well over a minute to go, we were toast.

I know a TD in that situation is never guaranteed. But leaving that much time on the clock with the opponent having a TO and needing only about 30 yards to kick a FG to win the game, well that is loser.

One run, pushing the clock under a minute would been huge. Heck it might have forced Carolina to use their TO. And we still would have multiple chances to score.

I still remember Coughln, embarrassing himself at the end of the SB and almost allowing Brady enough time to come back.

Like I said, the TD was NOT guaranteed. But the leaving all the time on clock put that game in the loss column. That is not debatable.

It's not like the Super Bowl  
PetesHereNow : 10/7/2018 10:35 pm : link
We were down by 6, not 2, it's not like a FG helps us.

What if Barkley gets stopped at the 1 and we don't score on 4 tries from there?

You can't turn down the points there. If you're down by 2, maybe you run some clock and win it with a short FG. But, you can't ignore scoring just because there might be too much time left.
So we should try to score  
Jimmy Googs : 10/7/2018 10:35 pm : link
less than 30 points?
Wait....  
dep026 : 10/7/2018 10:38 pm : link
Coughlin embarassed himself by what....
I thought the same thing  
jnoble : 10/7/2018 10:44 pm : link
I instinctively knew our D wouldn't make a stop and would let them get downfield just enough to kick a game winning FG
I saw it coming a mile away
It wasn't Coughlin  
BestFeature : 10/7/2018 10:45 pm : link
Bradshaw's momentum made him fall into the endzone.
RE: It's not like the Super Bowl  
Eman11 : 10/7/2018 10:48 pm : link
In comment 14112840 PetesHereNow said:
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We were down by 6, not 2, it's not like a FG helps us.

What if Barkley gets stopped at the 1 and we don't score on 4 tries from there?

You can't turn down the points there. If you're down by 2, maybe you run some clock and win it with a short FG. But, you can't ignore scoring just because there might be too much time left.


100% correct.
RE: It wasn't Coughlin  
bluepepper : 10/7/2018 10:53 pm : link
In comment 14112853 BestFeature said:
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Bradshaw's momentum made him fall into the endzone.

Coughlin didn't instruct his team to not go in the end zone. Apparently Eli yelled at Bradshaw at the last second to go down at the 1 but he couldn't stop.

Personally, I had no problem with the TD since a bad snap or block could sink you but if the Pats had scored Coughlin would have gotten serious heat.
What?  
montanagiant : 10/7/2018 11:08 pm : link
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I still remember Coughln, embarrassing himself at the end of the SB and almost allowing Brady enough time to come back.


Which part of your ass did you pull that out of?
we hit the 30 point barrier ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/7/2018 11:08 pm : link
For the first time in forever ..
We had this game and the refs handed it back ..
Not too mention the odds of a 63 yard FG
GUYS PLAYED HARD but they need to do a better job at wrapping up and finishing a tackle .
Yeah, Coughlin doesn't even wear that second ring to formal events  
j_rud : 10/7/2018 11:10 pm : link
True story.
RE: Yeah, Coughlin doesn't even wear that second ring to formal events  
BlackLight : 10/7/2018 11:50 pm : link
In comment 14112884 j_rud said:
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True story.


In his book, he talks about how he threw that 2nd ring into the Ohio River out of disgust.
tom seen here trying to extricate the ring in question from the river  
mattlawson : 10/7/2018 11:55 pm : link
Shurmur covered the whole issue of  
smshmth8690 : 10/8/2018 12:03 am : link
leaving too much time on the clock. He called it bullshit.
I didn't celebrate when Russell Shepard's play was ruled a TD  
jogo1 : 10/8/2018 12:38 am : link
with 1:20 left, and I didn't when Barkley scored on the following play. It's 2018, defense is becoming more and more a non-factor between the 20s.
Yeah, well it is still  
section125 : 10/8/2018 1:17 am : link
the 2018 NY Giants. Never turn down a touchdown at any time. Nothing guarantees a 2nd chance. Too many bad things happen.

Yes, I figured there was too much time left on the clock. But what was the alternative? A chance at failing to get the TD and losing 30-24? They aren't good enough to fiddle with the clock to kill time.(neither is any team)
They only needed 30 yards for a FG?  
B in ALB : 10/8/2018 1:27 am : link
The Giants shouldn't have scored when they did?

Get your fucking facts straight before you start proclaiming things aren't debatable.

Your grammatical errors and complete lack of sense make your post beyond absurd.

But keep it coming. Can't wait for your next opus.
Every single person I know  
Rick Morehouse : 10/8/2018 2:37 am : link
That is an NYG fan knew that CAR was going to kick an absurdly long FG to win the game

The faster we accept this team for what it is the better we will be on Mondays.


See you guys Thurs

RE: They only needed 30 yards for a FG?  
Leg of Theismann : 10/8/2018 3:05 am : link
In comment 14112974 B in ALB said:
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The Giants shouldn't have scored when they did?

Get your fucking facts straight before you start proclaiming things aren't debatable.

Your grammatical errors and complete lack of sense make your post beyond absurd.

But keep it coming. Can't wait for your next opus.


They did only need 30 yards for a FG. The ball started at their own 25, they advanced it to the Giants' 45 to kick the 63 yard FG. That's 30 yards.

That's actually something I thought about with regard to the fact they now move the ball out to the 25 instead of the 20 after touchbacks on kickoffs. That, plus the fact that NFL kickers these days have ranges about 10-15 yards longer than they used to, plus the fact that the game has gotten insanely offense-friendly, all means that if you just need a FG at the end of a game you are going to have a way better chance than teams used to have.

Either way, defense still has to get a stop.
BTW  
Leg of Theismann : 10/8/2018 3:12 am : link
After watching the Texans fail miserably over and over inside the 10 yard-line last night, I'm quite grateful we scored that touchdown and didn't worry about the clock and fuck around with that nonsense. They had the ball 3 inches away from the goal line and put Watson in the gun and fail to convert on 4th down. Later they get a PI in the endzone and get a 1st and goal at the 1 yard line and come away with 3 points. Had a few other failed opportunities inside the 10 as well. It was awful. That actually highlights the importance of a guy like Barkley who has the athleticism, moves, and awareness that is critical to finding the endzone.
Yep  
Tuckrule : 10/8/2018 6:04 am : link
After Sheppard was rules down by contact I was happy. I thought for sure we would run the ball at least one time make Carolina burn that timeout. I get taking the td if it’s there but strategically speaking. Running the ball was the correct move.
That's what your defense is for. Stop them.  
Blue21 : 10/8/2018 7:30 am : link
Your O did it's job now it's time for the D to step up. Period.
RE: Yep  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 7:32 am : link
In comment 14112995 Tuckrule said:
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After Sheppard was rules down by contact I was happy. I thought for sure we would run the ball at least one time make Carolina burn that timeout. I get taking the td if it’s there but strategically speaking. Running the ball was the correct move.


That's absurd IMO. The correct move strategically was the play that was called and got them the TD. I mean it worked didn't it?

This is the same team people were crucifying for not scoring TDs and now when they drive down the field late, score a go ahead TD, there's complaints they did it too quick?

As said before, if they're down 1 or 2 and could run the clock down and play for a winning chip shot FG it's a different story but they NEEDED a TD and that's the first and only priority.

I don't understand how anyone doesn't get this. It's football 101.
Without and TOs themselves  
Matt M. : 10/8/2018 7:50 am : link
you take the TD however and whenever you get it. While I too was worried about the Saints mickibg a FG, it was still just over a minute and only 1 TO. The Saints had to make plays. They did and we didn't. Plus, realisticLly, 30 yards wasn't the target. Gano just hit an insanely hard FG, for which you have to give him credit.
Holy crap!  
Doomster : 10/8/2018 7:57 am : link
Scored too soon? For a team having trouble scoring points, the complaint is that they scored too soon?

Yes, it seems the defense can't really stop anyone in the fourth quarter.....but that is not on the offense....
History repeats itself  
Chuckstar : 10/8/2018 12:05 pm : link
Same thing happened a couple years ago. Giants overwhelmed in 1st half, make gallant comeback in 4th qtr to tie the game, leave < 2 minutes on clock, Newton moves them into Giants territory, Gano kicks a 45yd field goal.
There's never any closure with this team.
Logically, how anyone can  
RollBlue : 10/8/2018 12:27 pm : link
argue that they shouldn't have run the ball on first down and try to run some clock is lost on me. They LOST the game because Carolina was able to get in FG position. I told my wife at the time that they left too much time and the Panthers would, likely, come down and kick a FG. I said they can kick them from 60 nowadays.

Again, I get it, we needed a TD, and if you try to run some clock before scoring, you may not score. Based on the outcome of the game, scoring on first down was not the right call.

If we had been playing great defense like 3 years ago, fine, score ASAP. This team, currently, has zero pass rushers.
Gotta Blame the Loss on Barkley Then  
pivo : 10/8/2018 12:32 pm : link
Without his rediculous Flying Wallenda move he should have been stopped at the 1.
As far as delaying a TD with no TOs - never, never, never.
What is the longest FG Gano ever kicked before? Never a e close before  
Ivan15 : 10/8/2018 1:08 pm : link
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RE: What is the longest FG Gano ever kicked before? Never a e close before  
steve in ky : 10/8/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14113741 Ivan15 said:
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I think they listed 59 yards as his career long during the telecast
RE: It's not like the Super Bowl  
since1925 : 10/8/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14112840 PetesHereNow said:
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We were down by 6, not 2, it's not like a FG helps us.

What if Barkley gets stopped at the 1 and we don't score on 4 tries from there?

You can't turn down the points there. If you're down by 2, maybe you run some clock and win it with a short FG. But, you can't ignore scoring just because there might be too much time left.


First, I know it is different from the SB, That was worse. I didn't say it was the same. I said it "reminded me."

Second, we lost, so yes, we can take a chance and and ignore scoring for one play and still have plenty of time to score and win.
This is a football learning how to win  
JonC : 10/8/2018 1:14 pm : link
they can't consistently run the ball, they don't consistently score points.

You score when you can score. Suddenly you expect to score and burn clock at the same time because ... ?
RE: They only needed 30 yards for a FG?  
since1925 : 10/8/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 14112974 B in ALB said:
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The Giants shouldn't have scored when they did?

Get your fucking facts straight before you start proclaiming things aren't debatable.

Your grammatical errors and complete lack of sense make your post beyond absurd.

But keep it coming. Can't wait for your next opus.


Math challenged?

Panthers get the ball on the 25. They gain 30 yards to put it on the Giants 45. FG is placed 7 yards behind LOS. That makes the FG 62 yards.

So get your freaking facts straight.
Exactly JonC  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/8/2018 1:16 pm : link
If this is Brady and Bellichik, sure that's what they probably do there. This team is in a separate stage of its growth. I did want them to run the ball after that big catch, but this team has proved nothing offensively to give you confidence that they would score with 4 downs in the redzone.
In the history of the NFL  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2018 1:33 pm : link
of the thousands of FG kicked, there have been 5 of 63 yards, including yesterday and one of 64, the League record. Three of those kicks, including the record, were kicked in Denver.

You guys are carrying on like it was automatic. In truth, the chances of making that kick were tiny. Gano hit it. Tip your hat and move on.
So we call a play  
dep026 : 10/8/2018 1:35 pm : link
that has Barkley 1 on 1 with their DE, but we shoud run the ball down 6 - when we havent run the ball all year.

Jesus Christmas.
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