At least as of now they do. Gettleman may end up looking very smart in the long run. Got a HOF level talent in the 2018 draft and could still get his franchise QB in the 2019 draft.
Most of the teams picking high in the draft already have their QB so even if we don't finish with the 1st pick the cost of moving up might not be too high.
Here is the current top 15
Giants
Colts (Luck)
SF (Jimmy G)
Arizona (Rosen)
Atlanta (Ryan)
Oakland (Carr)
Dallas
Houston (Watson)
Philadelphia (Wentz)
Jets (Darnold)
Seattle (Russ)
Buffalo (Allen)
Detroit (Stafford)
Denver
Green Bay (Rodgers)
Dallas could draft a QB, but they still have Dak. Denver will probably draft a QB. We need one also. So only 3 teams in the current top 15 will be looking for a QB.
As sad as it is too say in early October the Giants need to continue to lose. That's the best thing for the long term of the franchise. Drafting a 21 year old Justin Herbert could be very very good for us in the long term.
Yes, look forward to him quarterbacking the team at age 45.
Why isn't it the year for a QB? Herbert is just as good of a prospect as any QB from last year. Has less question marks too.
Taking a DE or OL is a way for this franchise to be fucked for another 10 years.
Why isn't it the year for a QB? Herbert is just as good of a prospect as any QB from last year. Has less question marks too.
Taking a DE or OL is a way for this franchise to be fucked for another 10 years.
Did you ever think they'd get rid of Mack? As much as Carr's struggled, the Raiders could still fetch a decent return (1st +) for him and continue to rebuild the way Gruden wants. Plus Carr's cap hits would be very manageable for any team acquiring him ($20M, $19M, $20M, $20M going forward). And there's a championship quality team in Jax with cap room and a desperate need for even average QB play. Not saying it'll happen, but it makes a lot of sense (IMO).
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Carr isn't going anywhere. He got a huge extension.
Why isn't it the year for a QB? Herbert is just as good of a prospect as any QB from last year. Has less question marks too.
Taking a DE or OL is a way for this franchise to be fucked for another 10 years.
Did you ever think they'd get rid of Mack? As much as Carr's struggled, the Raiders could still fetch a decent return (1st +) for him and continue to rebuild the way Gruden wants. Plus Carr's cap hits would be very manageable for any team acquiring him ($20M, $19M, $20M, $20M going forward). And there's a championship quality team in Jax with cap room and a desperate need for even average QB play. Not saying it'll happen, but it makes a lot of sense (IMO).
The difference is Mack is an elite player? Who is trading for Carr at that price right now?
That being said I dont think Carr being there stops them from taking a QB.
Carr isn't very good. So whose going to give up picks and spend 20 million on him?
Yeah it makes sense from the Raiders POV, but not from the 31 other teams in the NFL POV.
Greg Little or Jonah Williams. Dont make this harder than it has to be.
Carr isn't very good. So whose going to give up picks and spend 20 million on him?
Yeah it makes sense from the Raiders POV, but not from the 31 other teams in the NFL POV.
The Raiders can get out of the Carr contract after this season. The dead money would be $7.5 mil which sounds like a lot, but cutting him would save the team $15 million. You can pay a first round QB and the dead money from Carr and still come out about $10 million ahead.
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Was a different story. He's a top 3 defensive player in football.
Carr isn't very good. So whose going to give up picks and spend 20 million on him?
Yeah it makes sense from the Raiders POV, but not from the 31 other teams in the NFL POV.
The Raiders can get out of the Carr contract after this season. The dead money would be $7.5 mil which sounds like a lot, but cutting him would save the team $15 million. You can pay a first round QB and the dead money from Carr and still come out about $10 million ahead.
Didn't realize that. That's more realistic then trading him. Still can't see it though. Especially with them moving to Vegas and after trading away Mack.
It's not that clear cut IMO. At some point you have to factor in position. Especially for a QB like Herbert who a lot of writers are saying is the consensus top QB among NFL teams.
We took the best player this past year. We are 1-4 with one of the worst offenses in the league. Our QB has 1 more year making a ton of money and not playing very well. Winning in this league is all about the QB.
Just look at the QBs from this past draft. Mayfield, Allen & Darnold have more wins then us. Rosen has the same amount of wins in 2 starts. All 4 of those teams have far inferior offensive talent then we do and 3 of those teams have inferior talent overall.
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no reaching.
It's not that clear cut IMO. At some point you have to factor in position. Especially for a QB like Herbert who a lot of writers are saying is the consensus top QB among NFL teams.
We took the best player this past year. We are 1-4 with one of the worst offenses in the league. Our QB has 1 more year making a ton of money and not playing very well. Winning in this league is all about the QB.
Just look at the QBs from this past draft. Mayfield, Allen & Darnold have more wins then us. Rosen has the same amount of wins in 2 starts. All 4 of those teams have far inferior offensive talent then we do and 3 of those teams have inferior talent overall.
I dont think giants draft their future qb...
Pick the best players that fit what you're trying to build, and give them the time to grow.
If it's QB (and I would leap for Herbert) that's terrific, but don't force it because you're desperate (for any position).
Patience.
They are enamored with Brissett from what I’ve heard.
We just invested into Barkley. Give him the bodies he needs to dominate.
Yup. The schedule has been brutal and it eases up. I don’t see them quitting this year.
That said, if a QB is close to meeting the grade. I'm not sure we can pass that up again.
Funny thing is we have the #1 pick but could be only a game out of first place after tonight.
If CLE or BUF finish last they'll trade out for a king's ransom to a team who needs a QB.
And the Giants do not want to be the team moving up.
I don't know if the QB of the future is in this draft or not, nor do I know if the Giants will finish in a spot where they can take that QB, but I do know standings on October 8th don't mean anything, and draft order in April/May means only slightly more.
For sure, that's how you end up with Ereck Flowers. But QB is the one place I think you make an exception to draft for need if the grade is close.
Ah I gotcha
Best players may be wr's or etc...not what what giants need at this time
But as the mantra goes bpa..regardless so may have another wr or rb
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no reaching.
Best players may be wr's or etc...not what what giants need at this time
But as the mantra goes bpa..regardless so may have another wr or rb
If it's WR or RB etc, you look to trade down.
Draft is loaded with DL
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Draft is loaded with DL
Can we abstain...
We also need OC, RG, FS
And plenty of quality depth. That alone should make the ST’s better.
Looks like perhaps two more years to fill those in.
Carr isn't very good. So whose going to give up picks and spend 20 million on him?
Yeah it makes sense from the Raiders POV, but not from the 31 other teams in the NFL POV.
You don't think a QB of Carr's ability (probably league average or slightly better) would have interest on the trade market?
Teddy Bridgewater was just traded for a 3rd round pick (IIRC) and he's a UFA after this season. There's a long list of other mediocre to awful QBs that have been dealt (Kolb, Foles, Garapolo, Brissett etc).
Gruden never liked his QBs IIRC.