Poor clock management

Their only job was to get a TD. When your offense sucks, you get a td anyway you can. This isn't a FG wins. Mo time outs left on the 15 yard line.
He could not have known they would get a TD immediately. He has to conserve time in case it took them 5 or 6 plays to get in.

Poor clock management is an epidemic around the NFL, just another area where quality is crumbling.

It's not exactly the National Genius League.

Another great insight by a BBI poster. Like the Eli has the ability to score at any moment he chooses. Hey guys! Let’s not score a TD until there’s 5 seconds left. Ok? Let’s go do this! Sometimes you just shake your head at what people write.

when you need a TD to go ahead. We were at the 15 yard line, not the one. It isn't like you can just give plays away.

It is one thing if you just need a gimme FG to win and leave a lot of time, but to complain about leaving too much time when scoring a TD?? That's not on clock management.

We'd want Shurmur fired if we didn't score a TD there because he ran the ball a couple of times.

In comment 14113090 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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when you need a TD to go ahead. We were at the 15 yard line, not the one. It isn't like you can just give plays away. It is one thing if you just need a gimme FG to win and leave a lot of time, but to complain about leaving too much time when scoring a TD?? That's not on clock management. We'd want Shurmur fired if we didn't score a TD there because he ran the ball a couple of times.

The good news is that we don’t have to fucking hear that we haven’t scored 30 points since the birth of Namath

but even in a game we scored 30 and Eli had a late comeboack, posters were still saying he had a poor game.

the Giants had plenty of time to score a TD. Too much really. They needed 15 yards not 50. In that case, you need to look a step ahead. How many plays will it possibly take to score from here, if we are even going to score? How much time do we really need? A minute plus? No. Let's squeeze the clock some. On that play you definitely shouldn't snap the ball with another 15 seconds or so on the play clock. No reason too. You have plenty of time. It cost them.

In comment 14113090 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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when you need a TD to go ahead. We were at the 15 yard line, not the one. It isn't like you can just give plays away. It is one thing if you just need a gimme FG to win and leave a lot of time, but to complain about leaving too much time when scoring a TD?? That's not on clock management. We'd want Shurmur fired if we didn't score a TD there because he ran the ball a couple of times.

It's incredible to me we have actual fans who don't understand this.

I'm not sure what's worse, people not getting this or the fact we actually have two threads about it!

it early becauset he Panthers weren't making adjustments. They basically left the right side of the field open which gave Barkley the path to the end zone.

You take the points when you can get them.

In comment 14113103 LS said:

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the Giants had plenty of time to score a TD. Too much really. They needed 15 yards not 50. In that case, you need to look a step ahead. How many plays will it possibly take to score from here, if we are even going to score? How much time do we really need? A minute plus? No. Let's squeeze the clock some. On that play you definitely shouldn't snap the ball with another 15 seconds or so on the play clock. No reason too. You have plenty of time. It cost them.

Ya think maybe Eli snapped it when he did was because he had the matchup he wanted and maybe the D shifts to an unfavorable matchup if he waited any longer?

I mean come the hell on, the only objective there is to get the go ahead TD. There are plenty of things about yesterday's game to complain about but scoring the TD too soon is certainly not one of them.

this millenium) when Bradshaw didn’t fall down short of the goal line. Just a terribly run franchise with the worst clock management of any franchise ever.

complaint. You have to score a TD. You don't play the clock unless all you need is a fg and you are in range already.

....some of you fans want to control the game beyond was is possible on an NFL field.

Had the Giants waited - let's just play your scenario - don't you think Carolina would have approached their last drive differently???

Get a clue.

In comment 14113103 LS said:

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the Giants had plenty of time to score a TD. Too much really. They needed 15 yards not 50. In that case, you need to look a step ahead. How many plays will it possibly take to score from here, if we are even going to score? How much time do we really need? A minute plus? No. Let's squeeze the clock some. On that play you definitely shouldn't snap the ball with another 15 seconds or so on the play clock. No reason too. You have plenty of time. It cost them.

First down from the 15 with no timeouts. Could've taken eight plays to score.

and let the clock run when we have no timeouts. But I also thought they at least should have let the clock run a bit more after the restart following the Shepard catch

In comment 14113107 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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it early becauset he Panthers weren't making adjustments. They basically left the right side of the field open which gave Barkley the path to the end zone. You take the points when you can get them.

Exactly. But this nuance of the game is lost on some.

In comment 14113224 RinR said:

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In comment 14113107 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: it early becauset he Panthers weren't making adjustments. They basically left the right side of the field open which gave Barkley the path to the end zone. You take the points when you can get them. Exactly. But this nuance of the game is lost on some.

Not lost sir, just people wanting to see a win. There was no play, other than the victory formation, that could have predicted not scoring a touchdown and letting the clock run. . But this is a team, that no matter who is on defense, seems to not be able to stop anyone. so giving them the ball back with a minute or so could not have made you feel comfortable. If I were a Panther fan, and with the momentum the Giants had I would have been happy if the refs did not reverse the previous call. I would have hoped for a little better than a 63 yard field goal but I like having the ball with the chance to win. As a giant fan, I too was happy they reversed the call and would have liked a little time taken off the clock and I said that before the TD.

In comment 14113294 lecky said:

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In comment 14113224 RinR said: Quote: In comment 14113107 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: it early becauset he Panthers weren't making adjustments. They basically left the right side of the field open which gave Barkley the path to the end zone. You take the points when you can get them. Exactly. But this nuance of the game is lost on some. Not lost sir, just people wanting to see a win. There was no play, other than the victory formation, that could have predicted not scoring a touchdown and letting the clock run. . But this is a team, that no matter who is on defense, seems to not be able to stop anyone. so giving them the ball back with a minute or so could not have made you feel comfortable. If I were a Panther fan, and with the momentum the Giants had I would have been happy if the refs did not reverse the previous call. I would have hoped for a little better than a 63 yard field goal but I like having the ball with the chance to win. As a giant fan, I too was happy they reversed the call and would have liked a little time taken off the clock and I said that before the TD.

What you are missing is getting the TD is their first and only priority in that spot.

It's not can the D hold up after, it's not would us fans feel better if there was less time left, it's not anything else but get the damn TD first and foremost and then we go from there.

It's not rocket science we're talking about here, it's football 101 in that situation. Emotions and what if's don't factor in at all. It's get the damn lead.

There is another team out there too. They had to score a TD and they did. Hell, they drove all the way down the field and should have won. It was a great drive by the offense. IF the D can't hold the opponent for 1 lousy minute than thats on them.

he shouldn't have tried so hard jumping into the end zone.

Playing with heart is a fool's errand...

In comment 14113321 PatersonPlank said:

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There is another team out there too. They had to score a TD and they did. Hell, they drove all the way down the field and should have won. It was a great drive by the offense. IF the D can't hold the opponent for 1 lousy minute than thats on them.

Agreed but while I think the D certainly could've done better, no question about that, they did force a 63 yd FG attempt. It's not like they completely folded and Gano had a chip shot. The guy made a great kick, and we took another gut punch.

In comment 14113294 lecky said:

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In comment 14113224 RinR said: Quote: In comment 14113107 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: it early becauset he Panthers weren't making adjustments. They basically left the right side of the field open which gave Barkley the path to the end zone. You take the points when you can get them. Exactly. But this nuance of the game is lost on some. Not lost sir, just people wanting to see a win. There was no play, other than the victory formation, that could have predicted not scoring a touchdown and letting the clock run. . But this is a team, that no matter who is on defense, seems to not be able to stop anyone. so giving them the ball back with a minute or so could not have made you feel comfortable. If I were a Panther fan, and with the momentum the Giants had I would have been happy if the refs did not reverse the previous call. I would have hoped for a little better than a 63 yard field goal but I like having the ball with the chance to win. As a giant fan, I too was happy they reversed the call and would have liked a little time taken off the clock and I said that before the TD.

I felt pretty good that the Giants D was going to stop Panthers or at least keep them out of FG range. Maybe I'm in the minority. they were getting to Newton so yes, I really thought they were going to pull this out.

Sure it would have been nice if the Panthers had less time but they needed to a TD. We have no idea what wouldve happened on subsequent plays had the Giants ran more time off. different story if all they needed was a FG.

but the OP is def correct. We are and have been really bad with clock management over the past few years. It's on the HC's and the QB and yesterday was another example of it. Just watch how a team like the Pats handle that drive. There was no reason to snap the ball with that much time on the clock. We weren't going to run out of time. You'd hope this would be a learning experience, but I'm not sure our 37 year old QB is going to change at this point.

In comment 14113317 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14113294 lecky said: Quote: In comment 14113224 RinR said: Quote: In comment 14113107 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: it early becauset he Panthers weren't making adjustments. They basically left the right side of the field open which gave Barkley the path to the end zone. You take the points when you can get them. Exactly. But this nuance of the game is lost on some. Not lost sir, just people wanting to see a win. There was no play, other than the victory formation, that could have predicted not scoring a touchdown and letting the clock run. . But this is a team, that no matter who is on defense, seems to not be able to stop anyone. so giving them the ball back with a minute or so could not have made you feel comfortable. If I were a Panther fan, and with the momentum the Giants had I would have been happy if the refs did not reverse the previous call. I would have hoped for a little better than a 63 yard field goal but I like having the ball with the chance to win. As a giant fan, I too was happy they reversed the call and would have liked a little time taken off the clock and I said that before the TD. What you are missing is getting the TD is their first and only priority in that spot. It's not can the D hold up after, it's not would us fans feel better if there was less time left, it's not anything else but get the damn TD first and foremost and then we go from there. It's not rocket science we're talking about here, it's football 101 in that situation. Emotions and what if's don't factor in at all. It's get the damn lead.

Sir, football 101 was not an option at my college. If it were I would have failed it because I sucked at school. But after watching football for over 60 years and never missing a Giant game I have learned from the school of hard knocks. And not for one second did I feel good we were giving them the ball back with a minute to go. If you asked me if I would have given them a 63 yard field goal to try and win I would have said sure. And was I happy the Giants scored a touchdown, of course I was. It is just my opinion, and Bill Belicheks, that I want to be the last person to touch the ball in that situation.

In comment 14113351 Keith said:

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but the OP is def correct. We are and have been really bad with clock management over the past few years. It's on the HC's and the QB and yesterday was another example of it. Just watch how a team like the Pats handle that drive. There was no reason to snap the ball with that much time on the clock. We weren't going to run out of time. You'd hope this would be a learning experience, but I'm not sure our 37 year old QB is going to change at this point.

Oh for crying out loud. It wasn't about running out of time and snapping it too soon. It was snapped when it was because he had a favorable matchup at that time. Which getting the TD clearly showed.

Ya think maybe if Eli let's the play clock run the Panthers see they were in a tough spot and make an adjustment? Ever consider that? What about if they do make an adjustment and Eli is forced to call a TO there? He's getting killed for not taking the shot when he had it.

The game isn't played in a vacuum. The play was there at that time and they made it.

Yes, it is just about scoring points! I hope the stupid motherfucking sportswriter who invented this clock management bullshit is consigned to a special ring of hell.

This clock management baloney is workable if the players are blessed with the gift of foresight and know ahead of time when and how they will score. I can imagine the meltdown here if they ran the clock down every play, something untoward happened and there was no time left. Clock management is just another reason for armchair qb's to sit back and critique. I guess Barkley should have fallen down at the one-poor clock management.

The team is down a td. The offense's one responsibility is to score a td. Period. They then turn it over to the defense whose job it is to stop the other team. They did. They forced Carolina to hope for an act of God- a 63 yard FG- 7 yards beyond Gano's longest ever, a yard shorter than the NFL record, and tied with Tom Dempsey's kick which was the record for 43 years. The guy kicked it. You tip your hat to him as he gets paid too and move on.

but despite your strong language, I still disagree. Did we quick snap it as Carolina was making changes and confused defensively? No. If you think this was really him trying to lock in on a bad matchup, I have a bridge to sell ya. This was nothign more than poor clock management. That matchup wasn't changing 15 seconds later. It was bad clock management, sorry to upset you.

are people really dumb enough to think we are going to run out of time? Homer, you are clueless.

In comment 14113397 Keith said:

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but despite your strong language, I still disagree. Did we quick snap it as Carolina was making changes and confused defensively? No. If you think this was really him trying to lock in on a bad matchup, I have a bridge to sell ya. This was nothign more than poor clock management. That matchup wasn't changing 15 seconds later. It was bad clock management, sorry to upset you.

I don't understand how you know this. Seems to me you are taking a stab in the wind while the notion that the qb snapped the ball because he had what he wanted and didn't want the defense to adjust before the snap is foolish?

watch the replay.

This place is unbelievable. The Giants are being criticized for scoring a TD which they needed to take the lead. This nonsense about poor clock management would have been legitimate had they only needed a FG.

but caved. What a fun read that OP was...

To later on.

Nobody is moving around, its not like Eli spotted something and wanted a quick snap. Its the little things that make a difference. A team like the Pats, that doesn't happen.

In comment 14113404 crick n NC said:

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In comment 14113397 Keith said: Quote: but despite your strong language, I still disagree. Did we quick snap it as Carolina was making changes and confused defensively? No. If you think this was really him trying to lock in on a bad matchup, I have a bridge to sell ya. This was nothign more than poor clock management. That matchup wasn't changing 15 seconds later. It was bad clock management, sorry to upset you. I don't understand how you know this. Seems to me you are taking a stab in the wind while the notion that the qb snapped the ball because he had what he wanted and didn't want the defense to adjust before the snap is foolish?

Totally agree crick. It wouldn't have even had to be a big adjustment by Carolina. Even if one of the LBs shifted a step to their left it could've been enough to get to Saquon a second earlier and knock him out before he got the ball across the line.

It's not like we're talking about a major adjustment here. A small simple one could've been the difference. Eli saw he had an advantage in that instant and had the ball snapped exactly when he needed it to be in order to get the TD.

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Nobody is moving around, its not like Eli spotted something and wanted a quick snap. Its the little things that make a difference. A team like the Pats, that doesn't happen.

How do you know in the next few seconds one of the Panthers Lbs doesn't see something and slide to his left even a step? If you can see into the future and see they definitely would not have made any adjustment there, please tell me what numbers to play in tomorrow nights MegMillions drawing.

is exactly right. The Giants did everything they needed to do. The Panthers hit a desperation FG. You tip your you're cap and say helluva kick. This whole clock management thing is just the pure definition of Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

In comment 14113430 Eman11 said:

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In comment 14113415 Keith said: Quote: Nobody is moving around, its not like Eli spotted something and wanted a quick snap. Its the little things that make a difference. A team like the Pats, that doesn't happen. How do you know in the next few seconds one of the Panthers Lbs doesn't see something and slide to his left even a step? If you can see into the future and see they definitely would not have made any adjustment there, please tell me what numbers to play in tomorrow nights MegMillions drawing.

1, 17, F-OFF, 26

was funny...

In comment 14113415 Keith said:

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Nobody is moving around, its not like Eli spotted something and wanted a quick snap.

That is exactly why he wanted a quick snap.

You can argue all you want - the Giants were at the 15 yard line and wouldn't need a full minute to score from there.

You HAVE TO run the clock down at that point and the Giants failed, and lost because of it.

The idea isn't to score a TD there - it's to win the game. It is very difficult to keep a team out of FG range when in desperation mode with 1 minute left. Too much time.

In comment 14113440 Keith said:

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In comment 14113430 Eman11 said: Quote: In comment 14113415 Keith said: Quote: Nobody is moving around, its not like Eli spotted something and wanted a quick snap. Its the little things that make a difference. A team like the Pats, that doesn't happen. How do you know in the next few seconds one of the Panthers Lbs doesn't see something and slide to his left even a step? If you can see into the future and see they definitely would not have made any adjustment there, please tell me what numbers to play in tomorrow nights MegMillions drawing. 1, 17, F-OFF, 26

You're one short but somehow I'm not surprised.

Look, maybe you're right and they don't make an adjustment, even a small one but there's no way you can definitively say they wouldn't have.

I'm not saying they would've either, only that they could've and that's the point. No need to chance anything when the right play and matchup were there at that exact moment.

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1:30 left with the ball on the 15, Keith : 10:45 am : link : reply are people really dumb enough to think we are going to run out of time? Homer, you are clueless.

It isn't about running out of time, it is getting a score.

Seriously - if the Giants ran the ball on first down to take the clock down and then failed to score, are we congratulating them for time management? When you are losing and need a TD - you get the TD when you can. How many times have we seen a team get to the 10 late in the game and can't score?

Heck, a sack, a penalty, a pick. All things can happen there other than a score. I can't believe we're acting as if this is mismanagement, because if we don't score, it would 100% be classified as mismanagement.

Can't win with a lot of you guys.

In comment 14113451 mittenedman said:

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You HAVE TO run the clock down at that point and the Giants failed, and lost because of it.

LMAO. Right, the Giants lost because they scored a TD to take the lead.

I get it, everyone is so defensive of Eli. He gets criticized for anything and everything so some, like yourself, feel the need to defend everything. I like to think that I'm fair. I only criticize when I feel like it's justified. This is one of those times. Obviously the goal is to score a TD, but again, its the little things that make a difference in the NFL.

I'll ask you this...put the pats in that situation, what do they do?

coming off as defending Eli??

We are talking about a team that has had trouble scoring all year and we are acting like taking the foot off the gas there and milking clock would've been fine if we didn't score. That's far more pertinent than what the Pats would've done.

Hell, in the SB vs. the Seahawks, BB left the hopes of winning on his defense stopping the Seahawks from scoring, because if they get the TD there, the Pats have no shot to have a drive.

It's madness that we're dissecting whether or not a team that hasn't scored 30 points in over two seasons scored points in a situation when they needed to. And then to bizarrely flip that as a defense of Eli?? WTF?

Listen dude, its what you do. Any criticism and theres FMIC with his cape on. Stop pretending.

The goal isn't to score 30 pts. The goal is the win the game. We could have done both, scored and miled the clock a bit. That's what winning teams do.

In comment 14113490 Keith said:

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I get it, everyone is so defensive of Eli. He gets criticized for anything and everything so some, like yourself, feel the need to defend everything. I like to think that I'm fair. I only criticize when I feel like it's justified. This is one of those times. Obviously the goal is to score a TD, but again, its the little things that make a difference in the NFL. I'll ask you this...put the pats in that situation, what do they do?

They win the game. Of course you are talking Belichik and Brady vs. Eli and Shurmur but it has always been their thought to want to be the last team to touch the ball. Even if you run a play up the middle does not mean you wont score .

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are people really dumb enough to think we are going to run out of time? Homer, you are clueless.

1:08. No timeouts. Could still get a first down.

You wind the clock down and you can't run.