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Last Three Weeks - Coleman, Morelli and Boger

FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 8:35 am
You want in a nutshell why there's a problem with officiating in the NFL??

The last three games we've had Walt Coleman, Pete Morelli and Jerome Boger. Three guys that shouldn't have been reffing a football game in the past 5 years, let alone having all 3 of them in the league at the same time. They comprise almost 20% of the crews in the NFL.

Think about that - you have utterly clueless guys entrenched as officials. My gripe about all three is they are eerily similar. They are seasoned refs, yet seemingly lose track of rules and make poor interpretations time and again. If experience isn't helping them, then why are they working games.

Three games in a row, three conferences where we've been on the short end of the stick, and at least two of them have been incorrect (I was at the game and couldn't tell from the stands if Barkley had his facemask grasped. Sure looked like Shepard did later, but that's besides the point)
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RE: RE: Clearly on slo-mo replay it was an  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 9:09 am : link
In comment 14113171 giants#1 said:
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inadvertent facemask. That’s why his head jerked to the side then back. Because the hand immediately dropped down and grasped the front of the jersey. Not much question there.

The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?

I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.



Wynn hit Newton in the upper chest, close to (but below) the neck. And in no way was it late.


This was another wacky one because if you watch it again, and slow it down,Bolger wasn't even looking at it at the time of contact. He was looking more to his right (upfield) and turned and started reaching for the flag as a reaction to seeing Cam go down.

I can only think he called it as a late hit ( which it wasn't) because no way he saw the contact or even if Wynn might've been blocked into Cam. It was as if Bolger assumed th penalty instead of actually seeing every bit of the play. At least that's my take after watching the replay a few times on DVR.

Maybe Cam sold it and Bolger gave it to him?
RE: FMiC  
Big Blue '56 : 10/8/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 14113177 ryanmkeane said:
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the refs were terrible, but we have to get over it.


Agreed, BUT, it’s come down to, if not for the Giants, I would no longer watch the NFL. This from a fanatic, who lives (lived) NFL football since he was 11
Doesn’t the NFL office in NY now get involved  
Simms11 : 10/8/2018 9:11 am : link
in reviews? If they can’t help get it right, this game is truly screwed! Refs blow calls every week. They let things go uncalled and call others inexplicably. To say these guys have no impact on the game is ridiculous. They need to reconsider certain calls. Newton, a 6’5” 245 pound QB is barely touched and flops to the ground?! HTF is that roughing the passer? A DB helmet barely grazes a WR in an attempt to knock a ball away. HTF is that a penalty? Really bad calls at critical junctures of the game, it clearly impacts the results. For goodness sakes, let them play football. I long for the game we watched in the 80s!
It also  
mittenedman : 10/8/2018 9:11 am : link
seems to me we have an inordinate amount of flags that are "picked up" after being thrown in our favor.

Meanwhile, when the refs make a BS call on us, the flag is never "picked up".

And how many facemasks on Sterling Shepard are they going to miss?
ryan..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 9:13 am : link
when we are talking about losing a game in an NFL where a win often separates teams from making or missing the playoffs, it is pretty significant.

In the past two games, we've seen not just a random call going against us, we've seen several, critical, game-changing calls made.

When we can get call for an illegal hit while diving for and making contact with the ball first and there's no recourse to overturn that shitty call, it shouldn't be acceptable.

what the NFL isn't getting that if you continue to put out a shitty product, the fans go away. Fantasy $$ are reduced and gambling revenues are lower. And that's where they are heading now.
RE: It also  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 14113193 mittenedman said:
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seems to me we have an inordinate amount of flags that are "picked up" after being thrown in our favor.

Meanwhile, when the refs make a BS call on us, the flag is never "picked up".

And how many facemasks on Sterling Shepard are they going to miss?


Maybe I'm wrong but I thought maybe that's why SS was losing his shit on the sidelines. He's usually much more composed but I thought maybe he just had enough of taking shit and blew a fuse.

I'm glad if he needed to go off he did it on the sidelines and not where he could get flagged or tossed for it.
RE: RE: RE: Clearly on slo-mo replay it was an  
giants#1 : 10/8/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 14113186 Eman11 said:
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In comment 14113171 giants#1 said:


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In comment 14113152 Beezer said:


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inadvertent facemask. That’s why his head jerked to the side then back. Because the hand immediately dropped down and grasped the front of the jersey. Not much question there.

The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?

I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.



Wynn hit Newton in the upper chest, close to (but below) the neck. And in no way was it late.




This was another wacky one because if you watch it again, and slow it down,Bolger wasn't even looking at it at the time of contact. He was looking more to his right (upfield) and turned and started reaching for the flag as a reaction to seeing Cam go down.

I can only think he called it as a late hit ( which it wasn't) because no way he saw the contact or even if Wynn might've been blocked into Cam. It was as if Bolger assumed th penalty instead of actually seeing every bit of the play. At least that's my take after watching the replay a few times on DVR.

Maybe Cam sold it and Bolger gave it to him?


I thought it was a late hit at first, but the replays clearly showed he took (maybe) 1 step and I'm almost positive they called him for hitting the QB high.
The main point..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 9:17 am : link
of this thread is to highlight that there isn't just one crew that blows, but multiple ones, led by older men who seemingly display poor judgement time and again.

There's not a good rationalization of how these three guys continue to take the field that can be made.
RE: The main point..  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 14113209 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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of this thread is to highlight that there isn't just one crew that blows, but multiple ones, led by older men who seemingly display poor judgement time and again.

There's not a good rationalization of how these three guys continue to take the field that can be made.


Right there with ya man.

As frustrated as we are with the incompetence of these crews, I can't even imagine how pissed and outraged the players and coaches are. They're the ones who put in all the hard work, blood and sweat all year round for these 16 games.

IMO, it's time the league uses all the tech available to them and make everything subject to review, while also getting more offials as full time refs. If the players can workout all year round and study film so can these refs.

It boggles my mind how a multi billion dollar industry can let their product be officiated by guys who's main jobs aren't the ones they're doing on Sunday's.
Question re Martin offsides  
Now Mike in MD : 10/8/2018 9:25 am : link
I thought the rule was that if you jump offsides as long as you get back before the ball is snapped an no OL jumps in response, no penalty. Am I wrong?
Well,  
RollBlue : 10/8/2018 9:25 am : link
even Mike Tomlin of the Steelers was quoted as saying that the NFL HAS to fix the officiating - people (coaches) are going to their jobs due to bad, or incorrect calls, being made in every single game, and his team won 41-17.

I had to laugh a few years back during the officiating lock out when the media was bemoaning the replacement refs. All I remember thinking was, what have they been watching for the last several years?
Now Mike  
mittenedman : 10/8/2018 9:26 am : link
I thought the exact same thing.
Losing teams  
Harvest Blend : 10/8/2018 9:26 am : link
get losing calls. It's the NFL and until the Giants change the losing it will continue. Win some games and the calls will start going your way. To me it's really that simple.
RE: Question re Martin offsides  
giants#1 : 10/8/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 14113228 Now Mike in MD said:
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I thought the rule was that if you jump offsides as long as you get back before the ball is snapped an no OL jumps in response, no penalty. Am I wrong?


That's true as long as jumping offsides doesn't result in an offensive player moving. In this case, the OT(?) flinched in response to Martin so it was the correct call.
Eman..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 9:29 am : link
and the entire feeder system rewards tenure and loyalty.

I worked with a guy who started as a back judge for HS games when he was 30. He's 45 now and still working his way up. He's an excellent official and would make a fantastic guy at the next level, but he's not even getting to be a head ref at the SC high school level.

The way it works now, getting to be a ref before 35 years old is almost an impossibility. Hell, it is difficult to be one under 40 years old.

How can that be when evaluating the play of guys half their age or more?
The officiating in this league is  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/8/2018 9:31 am : link
just atrocious. We win yesterday if they were semi competent. Apparently that's asking for too much.
Did the OT..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 9:31 am : link
flinch?

It looked like the upman pointed when the Giants player moved and the ref blew the whistle and threw the flag.

I didn't see a flinch, but then again - I was in the stands.
Unbelievable  
Kyle in NY : 10/8/2018 9:33 am : link
how as soon as you see a few of these guys on your screen early in the game, you know some controversy is going to follow. Something always happens when Boger's crew is doing the game. And yet, they'll be right out there next week. Didn't Boger do a recent super bowl!? Unreal
RE: Did the OT..  
giants#1 : 10/8/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14113245 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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flinch?

It looked like the upman pointed when the Giants player moved and the ref blew the whistle and threw the flag.

I didn't see a flinch, but then again - I was in the stands.


Don't remember if it was a "flinch", but someone on the offense moved as a result of Martin jumping offsides. Definitely the correct call and a bonehead play by Martin.
RE: Did the OT..  
Now Mike in MD : 10/8/2018 9:35 am : link
In comment 14113245 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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flinch?

It looked like the upman pointed when the Giants player moved and the ref blew the whistle and threw the flag.

I didn't see a flinch, but then again - I was in the stands.


I did not see a flinch. I only saw the upman pointing. Also, if he flinched I thought the call was encroachment, not offsides. The end result is the same. But the fact that it was offsides leads me to believe no one saw a flinch
Anyone notice how quick they started the play clock?  
3putt : 10/8/2018 9:36 am : link
Seemed like they couldn't wait to get out of town.
RE: The officiating in this league is  
Carson53 : 10/8/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14113244 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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just atrocious. We win yesterday if they were semi competent. Apparently that's asking for too much.
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Part of it is the newer 'sanitized' version of calling games is a bit absurd.
That call on Collins was a bit absurd to me,
that's part of what I mean.
It's getting to the point with QB's, just have a red flag
on each hip, grab the red flag, then he is down, LOL.
RE: RE: Question re Martin offsides  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 9:38 am : link
In comment 14113236 giants#1 said:
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In comment 14113228 Now Mike in MD said:


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I thought the rule was that if you jump offsides as long as you get back before the ball is snapped an no OL jumps in response, no penalty. Am I wrong?



That's true as long as jumping offsides doesn't result in an offensive player moving. In this case, the OT(?) flinched in response to Martin so it was the correct call.


I thought the O guy flinched too but my question at the time was did Martin ever actually enter the neutral zone when he jumped?

He looked to me to be lined up far enough off the line that when he did jump,he was still not in the NZ, and that's not a penalty even if it causes the O to move. It's only a penalty if he jumps into the NZ and the O reacts to it.

It was kind of hard to tell but it didn't look to me like Martin even jumped all that far. He definitely moved forward but how much is what I questioned at the time.
RE: Losing teams  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/8/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 14113233 Harvest Blend said:
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get losing calls. It's the NFL and until the Giants change the losing it will continue. Win some games and the calls will start going your way. To me it's really that simple.


Overall I agree, unless we play the Packers.
Martin  
giants#1 : 10/8/2018 9:45 am : link
Yes, I think he crossed the NZ.
It’s a huge problem...  
trueblueinpw : 10/8/2018 9:49 am : link
I don’t pay much attention to the NBA anymore, mostly because the refs determine the outcome of the game. Maybe not nefariously, but NBA contests are a combination of physical talent, coaching and how the refs call the game. NFL is now the same way, the refs are now deciding the outcome of a game by the way they call the game. I don’t think the refs are corrupt, but they’re making calls that essentially determine the outcome of the game. The defenseless receiver call on Collins yesterday is the perfect example. That play swung the game. And yes, good teams should overcome bad calls, but yesterday featured two marginal teams and the team that won was the team that got more help from the refs.

And, just as bad, and just like the NBA, there’s no consistency from ref to ref or crew to crew or game to game. The NFL is becoming unwatchable.
RE: While Nero fiddles, Rome burns............  
BlueHurricane : 10/8/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 14113142 GiantBlue said:
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While Goodell fiddle, the NFL burns.........

Some things never change..............


Unfortunately while we true fans despise the current game we all still watch. AND even bigger than that all of the fantasy football fans and new found half ass fans still have the league making tons of money.

Nothing is going to change.
RE: Losing teams  
Carson53 : 10/8/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 14113233 Harvest Blend said:
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get losing calls. It's the NFL and until the Giants change the losing it will continue. Win some games and the calls will start going your way. To me it's really that simple.
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I think there is some truth to that. I rarely complain
about officials, yesterday was bad.
I will say this:  
mittenedman : 10/8/2018 10:10 am : link
the NFL lost me yesterday. I'm still a diehard Giants fan that will continue following the team, but I will not watch a second of any other game. Zero interest.
CAR 4th and 1  
GF1080 : 10/8/2018 10:13 am : link
A) How did booth not review that and B) how was there no measure on the spot!!
Some of you need to grow up already  
HomerJones45 : 10/8/2018 10:26 am : link
Most people get over this by the time they are 18.

It's a game, like all games, played by human beings and officiated by human beings in real time under an increasingly complicated set of rules. Until they make robot officials, simplify the rules, have replay officials examine all 22 players on the field after every play or start throwing flags on every play just in case, this is the way it is. Fucking deal with it already. The weekly Sunday afternoon and Monday morning catharsis over officiating is over the top.
What I don’t understand is how guys like Boger  
Essex : 10/8/2018 10:35 am : link
are never held accountable. If he was a manager of a team and they performed the same way he does as a ref, he would have been fired long ago. Somehow, the NFL does not hold these refs accountable for being terrible at their jobs and that is really in some ways our fault as fans and consumers for not demanding better. Today, talk radio will be all about how Shurmur and Eli and everyone else is doing at their job, and nobody will talk about how Jerome Boger is incompetent at his job. They may say bad calls, they may say the refs suck, but this is a specific problem with this referee and it is insane how he gets to keep reffing games. If I am going to waste my Sunday afternoons in front of tv watching this shit, buying their crap merchandise and tickets, the league at the very least should reward the consumer with always trying to make their product better. Every time this idiot refs one of our games, he is a disaster. It’s insane.
Between the Browns Raiders game last week  
arniefez : 10/8/2018 10:38 am : link
and the Giant game yesterday you have to wonder if some of the refs are somehow compromised and there are some Tim Donaghy's in the NFL too. Probably not but you can't rule it out at this point.
I believe that some of you  
GeorgeAdams33 : 10/8/2018 10:41 am : link
bypass the vaseline because you like the friction
There's only a few decent refs at any time  
bceagle05 : 10/8/2018 10:44 am : link
and a couple of them retired after last season. I expect this to be the worst we've seen in quite some time, and so far it has been.
RE: Some of you need to grow up already  
BlueHurricane : 10/8/2018 10:44 am : link
In comment 14113358 HomerJones45 said:
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Most people get over this by the time they are 18.

It's a game, like all games, played by human beings and officiated by human beings in real time under an increasingly complicated set of rules. Until they make robot officials, simplify the rules, have replay officials examine all 22 players on the field after every play or start throwing flags on every play just in case, this is the way it is. Fucking deal with it already. The weekly Sunday afternoon and Monday morning catharsis over officiating is over the top.


LOL. If you don't want to discuss the utter joke that is the NFL officiating than why the fuck even contribute to the thread.
The word at the time  
Big Al : 10/8/2018 10:47 am : link
was that Boger getting that Super Bowl was a done deal no matter what his performance. In other words a fix and politics. I don’t recall the details but the talk of the referee sites was that he was the favorite of an outgoing head of the officials at the time. A number of his blunders that year which lowered his rating were “re-reviewed” and “corrected”.to bring his rating up to get him the Super Bowl assignment.
RE: There's only a few decent refs at any time  
Big Al : 10/8/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 14113400 bceagle05 said:
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and a couple of them retired after last season. I expect this to be the worst we've seen in quite some time, and so far it has been.
Well luckily Jeff Tripplette was one of the four retiring.
RE: What I don’t understand is how guys like Boger  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 14113380 Essex said:
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are never held accountable. If he was a manager of a team and they performed the same way he does as a ref, he would have been fired long ago. Somehow, the NFL does not hold these refs accountable for being terrible at their jobs and that is really in some ways our fault as fans and consumers for not demanding better. Today, talk radio will be all about how Shurmur and Eli and everyone else is doing at their job, and nobody will talk about how Jerome Boger is incompetent at his job. They may say bad calls, they may say the refs suck, but this is a specific problem with this referee and it is insane how he gets to keep reffing games. If I am going to waste my Sunday afternoons in front of tv watching this shit, buying their crap merchandise and tickets, the league at the very least should reward the consumer with always trying to make their product better. Every time this idiot refs one of our games, he is a disaster. It’s insane.


I believe that's one of Tomlin's main gripes when he blasted the league yesterday on the rules and refs. Here's a guy who won big and is on the competition committee yet he still sees a problem. He mentioned players and coaches livelihoods being affected by the BS.
This..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/8/2018 11:02 am : link
is so ironic of a post:

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Some of you need to grow up already
HomerJones45 : 10:26 am : link : reply
Most people get over this by the time they are 18.


Coming from a guy who spent years bellyaching over the Mara's and Jim Fassel, who has erected a statue of Coughlin on his mantle and who takes shots over and over again at ownership tells other people to get over anything??

LOL.

I'd say get over the fact we've been in a Super Bowl in each decade since the 70's ended when acting like ownership is completely incompetent, but what the fuck does that accomplish?
I agree the officiating in the NFL Is atrocious  
Mike from Ohio : 10/8/2018 11:31 am : link
Significantly worse than college football, and worse than any major sport by a significant margin. The call on Landon Collins yesterday was laughably bad if not for the impact it had on the game. I hate bitching about calls because it is hard to argue many games are actually decided by calls since those arguments usually assume the rest of game plays out exactly the same way, but they do influence games. Yesterday's game was influenced by bad officiating.

The overall problem is that refs in the NFL are comfortable calling penalties they think happened, rather than ones they saw. A guy getting hit hard must be a penalty. A guy falling awkwardly must have been horse-collared. A guy grabbing his head must have been hit helmet-to-helmet.

If the league cared about having the games called correctly they would expand review to cover 15 yard penalties that are definable...horsecollar, facemask, etc and allow teams to challenge and have NFL office review. But they don't want to embarrass their officials so they will never do that.

Bad officiating is just a baked-in part of the NFL. It won't change because the NFL doesn't want it to change.
RE: I agree the officiating in the NFL Is atrocious  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 11:44 am : link
In comment 14113523 Mike from Ohio said:
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Significantly worse than college football, and worse than any major sport by a significant margin. The call on Landon Collins yesterday was laughably bad if not for the impact it had on the game. I hate bitching about calls because it is hard to argue many games are actually decided by calls since those arguments usually assume the rest of game plays out exactly the same way, but they do influence games. Yesterday's game was influenced by bad officiating.

The overall problem is that refs in the NFL are comfortable calling penalties they think happened, rather than ones they saw. A guy getting hit hard must be a penalty. A guy falling awkwardly must have been horse-collared. A guy grabbing his head must have been hit helmet-to-helmet.

If the league cared about having the games called correctly they would expand review to cover 15 yard penalties that are definable...horsecollar, facemask, etc and allow teams to challenge and have NFL office review. But they don't want to embarrass their officials so they will never do that.

Bad officiating is just a baked-in part of the NFL. It won't change because the NFL doesn't want it to change.


I agree with everything you've said here.

I've been griping for a while now about calls made by refs they don't actually see but as you said just assume are penalties based on what they think happened. Yet they still miss obvious trips when it's there in plain sight like last week.

It's incredibly frustrating and must be even worse for players and coaches.
Great thread ..  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2018 2:04 pm : link
We don't often speak of them individually and we shouldn't
have too . But the moment of one of the very first calls I hear the name and see his face alarm bells go off yes its the mouth full of marbles Jerome Boger (Face Palm ) its like a rerun of a bad movie .
The face mask should have been enforced on the Barkley play
the defenders hand slid down and the finger latched on to the facemask enough so Barkley head was pulled down and he could proceed upfield it continued to slide down where he
got inside the pads then Barkley was able to try and pull away but then he got hold of his jersey It was clearly enough to impede his progress normally any inadvertent hold on the face mask is called and never over turned
It wasn't the 15 yard variety but it should at the very least the 5 yard call . The call on Collins was a complete joke I didn't see the roughing the passer one well enough to comment .
Walt Coleman seems like he has been around since the foundation of the camping gear does he have a lifetime appointment ok so he is only 66 .
There were several muggings of our D-line I don't remember
getting a single call on that either
RE: Great thread ..  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14113875 Bluesbreaker said:
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We don't often speak of them individually and we shouldn't
have too . But the moment of one of the very first calls I hear the name and see his face alarm bells go off yes its the mouth full of marbles Jerome Boger (Face Palm ) its like a rerun of a bad movie .
The face mask should have been enforced on the Barkley play
the defenders hand slid down and the finger latched on to the facemask enough so Barkley head was pulled down and he could proceed upfield it continued to slide down where he
got inside the pads then Barkley was able to try and pull away but then he got hold of his jersey It was clearly enough to impede his progress normally any inadvertent hold on the face mask is called and never over turned
It wasn't the 15 yard variety but it should at the very least the 5 yard call . The call on Collins was a complete joke I didn't see the roughing the passer one well enough to comment .
Walt Coleman seems like he has been around since the foundation of the camping gear does he have a lifetime appointment ok so he is only 66 .
There were several muggings of our D-line I don't remember
getting a single call on that either


Blues, there is no 5-yd face mask penalty anymore. It's either a 15yd one or nothing and this one clearly should've been enforced because there was a grab of the face mask by Pepper's finger. Enough so as you pointed out, it turned his head and impeded his run.
RE: RE: RE: Clearly on slo-mo replay it was an  
BestFeature : 10/8/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 14113186 Eman11 said:
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inadvertent facemask. That’s why his head jerked to the side then back. Because the hand immediately dropped down and grasped the front of the jersey. Not much question there.

The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?

I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.



Wynn hit Newton in the upper chest, close to (but below) the neck. And in no way was it late.




This was another wacky one because if you watch it again, and slow it down,Bolger wasn't even looking at it at the time of contact. He was looking more to his right (upfield) and turned and started reaching for the flag as a reaction to seeing Cam go down.

I can only think he called it as a late hit ( which it wasn't) because no way he saw the contact or even if Wynn might've been blocked into Cam. It was as if Bolger assumed th penalty instead of actually seeing every bit of the play. At least that's my take after watching the replay a few times on DVR.

Maybe Cam sold it and Bolger gave it to him?


The call on Collins was similar. There was no flag until the receiver looked hurt. BULLSHIT!
I really miss Mike Carie  
Leg of Theismann : 10/8/2018 3:06 pm : link
Hochuli was decen too. Why do the good ones leave so young and the bad ones hang around for ages and ages? Only getting worse as they become more scenile?
Thank You EMAN 11 for pointing that out I didn't even know of the rule  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2018 9:30 pm : link
I mean I follow football pretty well but only to an extent I guess . I have no problem with it grabbing the face mask is dangerous , so makes sense to make it a rule as opposed to an opinion and a no no to the players .
Don't quite remember the down and distance but it would have helped pretty pissed they picked it up making a judgment instead of enforcing the rule is BS
I meant in the title i was unaware of the rule change .
RE: I really miss Mike Carie  
Mike in NY : 10/8/2018 9:42 pm : link
In comment 14113952 Leg of Theismann said:
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Hochuli was decen too. Why do the good ones leave so young and the bad ones hang around for ages and ages? Only getting worse as they become more scenile?


Hochuli turns 68 this Christmas. His son Shawn is one of the new R's this year
RE: I am not one to blame refs for losses  
mrvax : 10/8/2018 9:53 pm : link
In comment 14113124 Jints in Carolina said:
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but they absolutely had a part in the outcome of the game. Infuriating. This was a kick in the dick.


To me, Giants may have won 2 more if the officiating was good.
As pointed out...  
bw in dc : 10/9/2018 1:25 am : link
what’s going with officiating is pervasive throughout the league. An epidemic. So this isn’t some “out to get the Giants” ploy by the league and it’s front office.

Let’s be honest here - what goes around comes around. We’ve won two SBs these last ten years. Victories that were both unexpected and inexplicable. Seasons of Serendipity. Now we’ve gone the most opposite direction where nothing seems to go right.

The football gods have very interesting senses of humor.
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