You want in a nutshell why there's a problem with officiating in the NFL??
The last three games we've had Walt Coleman, Pete Morelli and Jerome Boger. Three guys that shouldn't have been reffing a football game in the past 5 years, let alone having all 3 of them in the league at the same time. They comprise almost 20% of the crews in the NFL.
Think about that - you have utterly clueless guys entrenched as officials. My gripe about all three is they are eerily similar. They are seasoned refs, yet seemingly lose track of rules and make poor interpretations time and again. If experience isn't helping them, then why are they working games.
Three games in a row, three conferences where we've been on the short end of the stick, and at least two of them have been incorrect (I was at the game and couldn't tell from the stands if Barkley had his facemask grasped. Sure looked like Shepard did later, but that's besides the point)
That’s ALL? 😡
It shouldn't matter if it's a finger grabbing the face mask or a whole hand, a grab is a grab and a penalty.
It shouldn't matter if it's a finger grabbing the face mask or a whole hand, a grab is a grab and a penalty.
This is correct
But they don't want to fix it.
Some things never change..............
But they don't want to fix it.
You sir know yourself better than I. I promise if you work any games I'll never say anything too terribly about you to my TV.
The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?
I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.
By the way - no penalty.
There are too many games where the officials have a say in the final score. Too often stalled drives are extended over stupid penalty calls. It's ruining the game.
There are too many games where the officials have a say in the final score. Too often stalled drives are extended over stupid penalty calls. It's ruining the game.
Agreed.
The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?
I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.
There is no such thing as an inadvertent face mask. That's what the old 5-yd penalty was for but it's been taken out of the game. It's either a face mask penalty and 15 yds or it's no penalty at all.
This one while quick was most definitely a grab of his mask even if only by a finger and the flag should never have been picked up.
The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?
I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.
Wynn hit Newton in the upper chest, close to (but below) the neck. And in no way was it late.
In the stands, we thought the delayed flag was for grounding.
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inadvertent facemask. That’s why his head jerked to the side then back. Because the hand immediately dropped down and grasped the front of the jersey. Not much question there.
The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?
I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.
Wynn hit Newton in the upper chest, close to (but below) the neck. And in no way was it late.
This was another wacky one because if you watch it again, and slow it down,Bolger wasn't even looking at it at the time of contact. He was looking more to his right (upfield) and turned and started reaching for the flag as a reaction to seeing Cam go down.
I can only think he called it as a late hit ( which it wasn't) because no way he saw the contact or even if Wynn might've been blocked into Cam. It was as if Bolger assumed th penalty instead of actually seeing every bit of the play. At least that's my take after watching the replay a few times on DVR.
Maybe Cam sold it and Bolger gave it to him?
Agreed, BUT, it’s come down to, if not for the Giants, I would no longer watch the NFL. This from a fanatic, who lives (lived) NFL football since he was 11
Meanwhile, when the refs make a BS call on us, the flag is never "picked up".
And how many facemasks on Sterling Shepard are they going to miss?
In the past two games, we've seen not just a random call going against us, we've seen several, critical, game-changing calls made.
When we can get call for an illegal hit while diving for and making contact with the ball first and there's no recourse to overturn that shitty call, it shouldn't be acceptable.
what the NFL isn't getting that if you continue to put out a shitty product, the fans go away. Fantasy $$ are reduced and gambling revenues are lower. And that's where they are heading now.
Meanwhile, when the refs make a BS call on us, the flag is never "picked up".
And how many facemasks on Sterling Shepard are they going to miss?
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought maybe that's why SS was losing his shit on the sidelines. He's usually much more composed but I thought maybe he just had enough of taking shit and blew a fuse.
I'm glad if he needed to go off he did it on the sidelines and not where he could get flagged or tossed for it.
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inadvertent facemask. That’s why his head jerked to the side then back. Because the hand immediately dropped down and grasped the front of the jersey. Not much question there.
The unnecessary roughness call onCollins was other-workday. Like, on what fucking planet is that a penalty on Collins?
I didn’t see the roughing the passer call. Was it legit? My son said it was in no way a penalty.
Wynn hit Newton in the upper chest, close to (but below) the neck. And in no way was it late.
This was another wacky one because if you watch it again, and slow it down,Bolger wasn't even looking at it at the time of contact. He was looking more to his right (upfield) and turned and started reaching for the flag as a reaction to seeing Cam go down.
I can only think he called it as a late hit ( which it wasn't) because no way he saw the contact or even if Wynn might've been blocked into Cam. It was as if Bolger assumed th penalty instead of actually seeing every bit of the play. At least that's my take after watching the replay a few times on DVR.
Maybe Cam sold it and Bolger gave it to him?
I thought it was a late hit at first, but the replays clearly showed he took (maybe) 1 step and I'm almost positive they called him for hitting the QB high.
There's not a good rationalization of how these three guys continue to take the field that can be made.
There's not a good rationalization of how these three guys continue to take the field that can be made.
Right there with ya man.
As frustrated as we are with the incompetence of these crews, I can't even imagine how pissed and outraged the players and coaches are. They're the ones who put in all the hard work, blood and sweat all year round for these 16 games.
IMO, it's time the league uses all the tech available to them and make everything subject to review, while also getting more offials as full time refs. If the players can workout all year round and study film so can these refs.
It boggles my mind how a multi billion dollar industry can let their product be officiated by guys who's main jobs aren't the ones they're doing on Sunday's.
I had to laugh a few years back during the officiating lock out when the media was bemoaning the replacement refs. All I remember thinking was, what have they been watching for the last several years?
That's true as long as jumping offsides doesn't result in an offensive player moving. In this case, the OT(?) flinched in response to Martin so it was the correct call.
I worked with a guy who started as a back judge for HS games when he was 30. He's 45 now and still working his way up. He's an excellent official and would make a fantastic guy at the next level, but he's not even getting to be a head ref at the SC high school level.
The way it works now, getting to be a ref before 35 years old is almost an impossibility. Hell, it is difficult to be one under 40 years old.
How can that be when evaluating the play of guys half their age or more?
It looked like the upman pointed when the Giants player moved and the ref blew the whistle and threw the flag.
I didn't see a flinch, but then again - I was in the stands.
It looked like the upman pointed when the Giants player moved and the ref blew the whistle and threw the flag.
I didn't see a flinch, but then again - I was in the stands.
Don't remember if it was a "flinch", but someone on the offense moved as a result of Martin jumping offsides. Definitely the correct call and a bonehead play by Martin.
It looked like the upman pointed when the Giants player moved and the ref blew the whistle and threw the flag.
I didn't see a flinch, but then again - I was in the stands.
I did not see a flinch. I only saw the upman pointing. Also, if he flinched I thought the call was encroachment, not offsides. The end result is the same. But the fact that it was offsides leads me to believe no one saw a flinch
Part of it is the newer 'sanitized' version of calling games is a bit absurd.
That call on Collins was a bit absurd to me,
that's part of what I mean.
It's getting to the point with QB's, just have a red flag
on each hip, grab the red flag, then he is down, LOL.
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I thought the rule was that if you jump offsides as long as you get back before the ball is snapped an no OL jumps in response, no penalty. Am I wrong?
That's true as long as jumping offsides doesn't result in an offensive player moving. In this case, the OT(?) flinched in response to Martin so it was the correct call.
I thought the O guy flinched too but my question at the time was did Martin ever actually enter the neutral zone when he jumped?
He looked to me to be lined up far enough off the line that when he did jump,he was still not in the NZ, and that's not a penalty even if it causes the O to move. It's only a penalty if he jumps into the NZ and the O reacts to it.
It was kind of hard to tell but it didn't look to me like Martin even jumped all that far. He definitely moved forward but how much is what I questioned at the time.
Overall I agree, unless we play the Packers.
And, just as bad, and just like the NBA, there’s no consistency from ref to ref or crew to crew or game to game. The NFL is becoming unwatchable.
Some things never change..............
Unfortunately while we true fans despise the current game we all still watch. AND even bigger than that all of the fantasy football fans and new found half ass fans still have the league making tons of money.
Nothing is going to change.
I think there is some truth to that. I rarely complain
about officials, yesterday was bad.
It's a game, like all games, played by human beings and officiated by human beings in real time under an increasingly complicated set of rules. Until they make robot officials, simplify the rules, have replay officials examine all 22 players on the field after every play or start throwing flags on every play just in case, this is the way it is. Fucking deal with it already. The weekly Sunday afternoon and Monday morning catharsis over officiating is over the top.