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Carolina's Fumble Recovery for TD...

M.S. : 10/8/2018 9:00 am
...let me see if I've got this right:

(1) OBJ sprints to his right to prevent DJ Moore from downing the punt inside our 5 yard line;

(2) Punt bounces off the back of OBJ's leg and rolls right into the hands of Janoris Jenkins who takes a step or two before Curtis Samuel pops the ball out;

(3) And then Eli Apple comes flying into the play and inadvertently kicks the ball into the end zone, where he tries to fall on it;

(4) But Apple can't gather in the ball which conveniently squirms right to Colin Jones for a quick six.

Guys... between shit like that; big-ugly, stupid refs; and a 63-yard FG with time expiring, the Giants ran into some sort of time warp.

That loss felt pre-ordained.

Like a Joe Pisarcik fumble.

a smorgasbord of shit  
Jints in Carolina : 10/8/2018 9:03 am : link
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shit show  
Matt in SGS : 10/8/2018 9:08 am : link
Odell tried to do what he saw Dwayne Harris do over the years, which was to turn into a blocker on the gunner and look to take him out and try to get a touchback. I appreciate the aggressiveness and I know what he was thinking. But in the end, being a punt returner is as much risk management as anything else. In that position, the returner needs to consider that ball a live grenade and get out of there. If the gunner makes a great play to catch it or stop it inside the 5, you tip your hat. That was text book Odell trying to do too much.

It somewhat reminded me of Wally Henry in Philly back in the 1981 wild card game on the kickoff, when he botched the kickoff, booted it around and Mark Haynes recovered it for a TD. That was much more enjoyable.
RE: a smorgasbord of shit  
Carson53 : 10/8/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 14113172 Jints in Carolina said:
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That about covers it, get Beckham out of punt returns.
Find the damn ball first, then block the guy out of bounds.
No clue where the damn ball was.
The guy was trying to do to much.
They just signed a kid  
Carson53 : 10/8/2018 9:11 am : link
who was good in college returning punts and kicks,
get HIM on the active roster. It's been a disaster back there all year so far.
Don’t forget the PR  
Simms11 : 10/8/2018 9:17 am : link
last week against the Saints, where the Ball gets knocked out and bounces right back to the returner as he continues to sprint for a huge return! Talk about shit on. Two weeks in a row extremely odd bounces on returns that just don’t go in our favor. Hopefully our bad luck has run its course, because this is starting to feel like the 70’s all over again!
RE: RE: a smorgasbord of shit  
Matt in SGS : 10/8/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14113183 Carson53 said:
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That about covers it, get Beckham out of punt returns.
Find the damn ball first, then block the guy out of bounds.
No clue where the damn ball was.
The guy was trying to do to much.


I've said on BBI before, I'm ok using Odell on punt returns when the Giants want to try to make a big play. If you are looking at a punt which will be fielded around mid field. Send Odell out there because he can break one. I wanted the Giants to use him similar to how Deion Sanders was used a few years into his career (he started as the primary punt returner but was later used based on the situation). Darrell Green on Washington was the same, they put him back there when they needed a big play.

Fielding the ball inside the 10 calls for a fair catch or get out of the way. Nothing else. I know the argument is that Odell has the best hands so just let him do it, but the worst part was his aggressiveness cost the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: a smorgasbord of shit  
Carson53 : 10/8/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 14113212 Matt in SGS said:
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In comment 14113172 Jints in Carolina said:


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That about covers it, get Beckham out of punt returns.
Find the damn ball first, then block the guy out of bounds.
No clue where the damn ball was.
The guy was trying to do to much.



I've said on BBI before, I'm ok using Odell on punt returns when the Giants want to try to make a big play. If you are looking at a punt which will be fielded around mid field. Send Odell out there because he can break one. I wanted the Giants to use him similar to how Deion Sanders was used a few years into his career (he started as the primary punt returner but was later used based on the situation). Darrell Green on Washington was the same, they put him back there when they needed a big play.

Fielding the ball inside the 10 calls for a fair catch or get out of the way. Nothing else. I know the argument is that Odell has the best hands so just let him do it, but the worst part was his aggressiveness cost the Giants.
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I hear you, inside the 10 yard line, not a good idea
with OBJ, not experienced enough. That was ugly!
It looked like Odell misread  
St. Jimmy : 10/8/2018 9:27 am : link
where the punt was going. The replay from behind the punter looked like he ran towards the opposite side of the field.
And BTW...  
M.S. : 10/8/2018 9:38 am : link

...the week after the infamous Joe Pisarcik "Miracle in the Meadowlands" fumble, the Giants came out flat and ugly getting wrecked by Buffalo 41-17.

I said in another thread that the loss to Carolina represents Pat Shurmur's greatest challenge as Head Coach of the New York Giants.

How will he pick this team up after they played their hearts out; overcame too many fucking turnovers; were robbed by the refs; and then finally took a 63-yard FG straight in the nuts?

How will he convince his team that they are still relevant at 1-4 and that they can still win ball games in the NFL?

John McVay never pulled the Giants out of their 1978 tailspin after "the Fumble", and he was gone before the start of the next season.
How does Odell not know where the ball is?  
BillT : 10/8/2018 9:39 am : link
He had the best view of its trajectory and ran toward it. I get him trying to block but you don’t do that near where the ball is landing.
Coaches have to learn to scream POISON,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 10/8/2018 9:54 am : link
as we did in Pop Warner.
RE: It looked like Odell misread  
BigBlue in Keys : 10/8/2018 10:12 am : link
In comment 14113237 St. Jimmy said:
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where the punt was going. The replay from behind the punter looked like he ran towards the opposite side of the field.


Yup, he started drifting to his left first and the punt went right.
You mean that isn't how Coach Quinn drew it up on the board?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/8/2018 10:15 am : link

Jimmy  
XBRONX : 10/8/2018 10:25 am : link
LMAO
IF...if...if  
clatterbuck : 10/8/2018 1:21 pm : link
Jackrabbit was able to scoop the ball, he had a lot of open space in front of him.
I was seated at ground level near the recovery.  
hammock man : 10/8/2018 1:36 pm : link
To me, it appeared the punt hit the Carolina gunner's foot before the ball hit the ground. Beckham might have seen it the same way and felt he could safely try a run back. Eager to re-watch the game on DVR and see the slow mo of the play.
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