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Stapleton - Don't misunderstand Pat Shurmur's calm

Emil : 10/8/2018 10:26 am
Great article, captures the last few weeks of Giants football and provides some perspective.

Here are some highlights.

“Gone was that calm, replaced by the kind of fire and ice the Giants have not had in their head coach since Tom Coughlin defiantly walked off that stage inside the Quest Diagnostics Training Center following his resignation in 2015.”

“Consider what Giants left tackle and co-captain Nate Solder tweeted Sunday night: "That’s the NFL and that’s why we play in the most competitive league in the world. It doesn’t make it easy to swallow a loss, however, we bonded as a team today. A bond only achieved under fire. I’m thankful for them, and I could not be more proud to be a Giant."

“Losing was just as devastating Sunday, but Shurmur set a different tone. We'll see if that makes a difference as the Giants prepare on a short week to see the Eagles at MetLife Stadium on Thursday night. Their season, or whatever is left of it, depends on that.

Remains to be seen if the season can be saved now that his fire (and that of his team) appears to be lit.”

“One of the biggest knocks of the Giants over the past few seasons is that they have zero players willing to speak out publicly on the state of the team. Not since Antrel Rolle was here did Big Blue have a vocal leader comfortable with stepping out in front and saying what needed to be said, consequences be damned.

The timing of Beckham's interview was bad, and maybe he isn't the messenger the media and fans want.

Was his message a selfish one? Well, the setting certainly was. It was unnecessary, and left him open for criticism. Let's be honest here: how can we scream and yell about the Giants needing a leader, but then when one tries to step up — in his own way, for sure, and likely not the way he should have, at least not publicly — we scream and yell about how Beckham should know his place since he's never won anything.”



Stapleton’s 5 take aways from Sunday - ( New Window )
Couldnt agree more  
NYG007 : 10/8/2018 10:34 am : link
However, OBJ needs to understand when he is bated or not. He also needs to say, my teamates are my guys. We just need to do more, do better. We arent playing with heart.

Whatever it was, is pissed the team off to play like a real NFL team again. And Shurmer pissed off is just what we need as a fan.
Awesome tweet  
crick n NC : 10/8/2018 10:39 am : link
From Solder
Yes I agree with this.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 10/8/2018 10:39 am : link
Im still all in on Shurmur, if he's got the team fired up and believing thats the effort I want to see.
Too Early To Quit on Shurmur  
Rong5611 : 10/8/2018 10:55 am : link
Its crazy that there are some on this board who want the coach gone. Have to give him time, this is going to take more than 5 games to fix. Give him a break.

BTW, I think OBJ was right, but delivered the message the wrong way. Let's hope the fire shows up Thursday, I'd love to beat the Eagles for a change.
Thanks for post Emil  
Tuckrule : 10/8/2018 11:06 am : link
Solder is a great dude to have on a team. He may not be a top tackle anymore but his attitude can have a lasting impact on Hernandez.
There's some truth, but there's a lot of bullshit in the article  
Milton : 10/8/2018 11:06 am : link
I like OBJ the football player, but put a mike in front of his face and he doesn't care who he throws under the bus if it makes him look good. It was the same with Antrel Rolle except he wasn't half the football player that OBJ is.

On the bright side...
Don't matter who did what to who at this point - ( New Window )
RE: There's some truth, but there's a lot of bullshit in the article  
Emil : 10/8/2018 11:23 am : link
In comment 14113460 Milton said:
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I like OBJ the football player, but put a mike in front of his face and he doesn't care who he throws under the bus if it makes him look good. It was the same with Antrel Rolle except he wasn't half the football player that OBJ is.

On the bright side... Don't matter who did what to who at this point - ( New Window )


Can’t prove it, but I’d bet two Giants had a conversation similar to the one in the clip at some point yesterday.
Just STFU and win games.  
Mr. Bungle : 10/8/2018 11:31 am : link
Feeling proud at 1-4 is for losers.
pretty clear to me  
mdc1 : 10/8/2018 11:52 am : link
he has runway with the owners. The owners know its on them for f'ing this up. They also know that some coaches can just walk. Right now our owners are becoming a laughing stock and this place is becoming toxic. I would be surprised if some future Giants FAs that do not have endorsements going say bye bye. This place does not exude excellence, only excuses and politics.

OBJ  
giantfan2000 : 10/8/2018 11:57 am : link
the difference is
on the field OBJ is a player

was out there as a punt returner
threw a TD pass
had a bunch of amazing catches including a great TD catch

the guy is backing up his talk with action


Antrel did his talking to reporters and a  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/8/2018 12:09 pm : link
team-approved radio spot on WFAN. With the information we have, it appears that Odell went around the team's communications department and did an interview on a national TV outlet without giving the team the courtesy of advance notice.

If you did this in the corporate world, you'd be in deep shit and possibly fired.
RE: Antrel did his talking to reporters and a  
mdc1 : 10/8/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14113639 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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team-approved radio spot on WFAN. With the information we have, it appears that Odell went around the team's communications department and did an interview on a national TV outlet without giving the team the courtesy of advance notice.

If you did this in the corporate world, you'd be in deep shit and possibly fired.


They signed a nutjob and the owners made the bed we are living in. Yesterday the optic was him ranting and raving around a cooling fan as he misses a TD throw, muffs a punt that results in Carolina points and then champions himself for throwing a trick pass.
FWIW  
Bluesbreaker : 10/8/2018 3:58 pm : link
Thanks for posting some interesting tidbits ..
I know I myself was complaining about some of the play calling and not going to the TE's seemed a good team to
exploit the middle with a TE Ellison I think ended up
with 3 throws his way . This is part of the reason I prefer
a bigger TE where they can pick up underneath yardage and
the body to take the hits you know are coming .
Anyways the Nate Soldier comments are great to hear .
Galvanized the Team and Proud to be a Giant .
They might be a bit over matched Thurs but They will knuckle up and give it to the Eagles . O-line will be tested as they
were week one Philthy has a powerful and deep group on the D-line .Maybe we can turn the tables on them and make that bus ride home miserable as we were Sunday !
RE: RE: Antrel did his talking to reporters and a  
TurdFurguson : 10/8/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14113666 mdc1 said:
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In comment 14113639 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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team-approved radio spot on WFAN. With the information we have, it appears that Odell went around the team's communications department and did an interview on a national TV outlet without giving the team the courtesy of advance notice.

If you did this in the corporate world, you'd be in deep shit and possibly fired.



They signed a nutjob and the owners made the bed we are living in. Yesterday the optic was him ranting and raving around a cooling fan as he misses a TD throw, muffs a punt that results in Carolina points and then champions himself for throwing a trick pass.


Nutjob? Really? Little harsh considering what he said wasn’t wrong, and he owned up to it.

I’ll take 53 nutjobs like him every Sunday.
RE: RE: RE: Antrel did his talking to reporters and a  
section125 : 10/8/2018 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14114048 TurdFurguson said:
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In comment 14113666 mdc1 said:


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In comment 14113639 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:


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team-approved radio spot on WFAN. With the information we have, it appears that Odell went around the team's communications department and did an interview on a national TV outlet without giving the team the courtesy of advance notice.

If you did this in the corporate world, you'd be in deep shit and possibly fired.



They signed a nutjob and the owners made the bed we are living in. Yesterday the optic was him ranting and raving around a cooling fan as he misses a TD throw, muffs a punt that results in Carolina points and then champions himself for throwing a trick pass.



Nutjob? Really? Little harsh considering what he said wasn’t wrong, and he owned up to it.

I’ll take 53 nutjobs like him every Sunday.


The only nut jobs are the dumb ass fans calling their best play a nut job. The Giants have a loser attitude. They need some fire and passion. Should he have done it on ESPN, probably not. But he was still right. Just last week I heard Tedy Bruschi say the players were getting tired of certain players not living up to their talent (believe he said Eli). Take that for what it is worth.
Fire and passion?  
rocco8112 : 10/8/2018 5:23 pm : link
He is siting calmly in this interview next to lil' Wayne stating how he has been held back so far by the team and franchise he just deiced to sign with. He also responds by mocking his QB (who threw all his TD's that have led to his 90 million and he needs to play with this year), stating his new HC is being out-schemed and basically blaming everyone else but himself for the team losing.

He even throws in a shot at NY weather stating he does not want to live here. He comes off horrible in the interview. I know all that matters is what happens on the field, but color me deeply concerned by what he stated publicly in the interview. He is the face of the Giants now. Always looking to cast blame on others and believing you are the reason for all success is like corrosive acid to football team building. Football teams need to come together as one. So now we know Beckham thinks Eli is holding him back, Eli is on his way out but has the rep and pelts to be his own man and lead the team on the field. What is going to happen next year when there is a new QB. A young guy is going to stand up to Beckham when he is not being force fed the rock every game?

I have seen the diva WR movie before, and it is not a happy ending. I do not consider this kind of stuff fire and passion. Hope I am wrong.
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