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Garrett...Did this really happen?

ryanmkeane : 10/8/2018 11:24 am
Punting in OT at the Houston 41 yard line on 4th and 1???? I've complained about a few Shurmur decisions this year...but wow. That one might take the cake. Thanks Jason!
Jerruh was none too pleased  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/8/2018 11:27 am : link
from what I've read. Garrett will be gone come season's end.
Didn't seem that bad at the time.  
Keith : 10/8/2018 11:27 am : link
Houston's offense wasn't really doing much at the time. Dallas' offense wasn't looking good and just got stuffed. You go for it and don't get it and Houston only has to gain like 20 yards for the win. A punt makes Houston have to drive the field when they weren't moving the ball well. It wasn't that bad.
I thought the punt was the right call too  
jcn56 : 10/8/2018 11:29 am : link
Watson had the shit kicked out of him, the Houston O wasn't doing much. All they needed was for the Cowboys D to get one stop after pinning them deep and they were in prime position to win with a FG.

Of course, giving up a crazy long circus play like the one that ended that game wasn't easily predictable.
RE: Didn't seem that bad at the time.  
ryanmkeane : 10/8/2018 11:32 am : link
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Houston's offense wasn't really doing much at the time. Dallas' offense wasn't looking good and just got stuffed. You go for it and don't get it and Houston only has to gain like 20 yards for the win. A punt makes Houston have to drive the field when they weren't moving the ball well. It wasn't that bad.

Just gonna have to disagree on this. I can understand if it's 4th and 8 or 4th and 10. You needed 1 yard in overtime and you're driving in their territory. You are basically telling your team "sorry guys, we just aren't playing to win this game."
RE: I thought the punt was the right call too  
Eman11 : 10/8/2018 11:32 am : link
In comment 14113515 jcn56 said:
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Watson had the shit kicked out of him, the Houston O wasn't doing much. All they needed was for the Cowboys D to get one stop after pinning them deep and they were in prime position to win with a FG.

Of course, giving up a crazy long circus play like the one that ended that game wasn't easily predictable.


Yeah I thought the punt was the right call there too. Especially as Zeke got stuffed on the play before. I think that play had an effect on his thinking too.
With the new OT rules  
RutgersGiantsFan : 10/8/2018 11:33 am : link
I don't hate that decision. Cowboys needed a TD on that drive to end it. Punt it and hope to pin them deep. Force a 3 and out and you get great field position needing only a FG to win. Go for it and fail and then HOU needs only 20-25 yards to get into FG range and win.

But he should have at least sent his offense out there to go for it. Try and draw HOU offsides or make them burn a timeout to get the right personnel in there. Or run a play if you get a really good look. And then take the delay of game penalty if you don't see the right look.

There is absolutely nothing to lose by lining up to go for it in that situation and then taking the delay of game penalty because those five yards doesn't mean anything for the punt. I don't understand why coaches don't always line up to go for it on 4th and less than 5 at their opponents' 40.
RE: RE: Didn't seem that bad at the time.  
Keith : 10/8/2018 11:35 am : link
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Houston's offense wasn't really doing much at the time. Dallas' offense wasn't looking good and just got stuffed. You go for it and don't get it and Houston only has to gain like 20 yards for the win. A punt makes Houston have to drive the field when they weren't moving the ball well. It wasn't that bad.


Just gonna have to disagree on this. I can understand if it's 4th and 8 or 4th and 10. You needed 1 yard in overtime and you're driving in their territory. You are basically telling your team "sorry guys, we just aren't playing to win this game."


I hear ya. The play before they only needed 1 yard too. They didn't get it. The Dallas offense was not looking good leading up to that series. If they were executing well, they prob go for it, but because they weren't, he decided to punt.
Agree that the punt was not a bad call  
Mike from Ohio : 10/8/2018 11:35 am : link
You pin them back and rely on your defense which had been shutting them down for entire second half. Your defense is getting paid too.

Am I mis-remembering, but on Dallas last possession of the 4th quarter, did Dak run out of bounds on 3rd and stop the clock before they punted to Houston? I remember thinking he just gave Houston essentially an extra 30 seconds with the ball to win the game and nobody said a word about it. Seemed like a really boneheaded mistake to me, but maybe I am mis-remembering. It didn't cost them the game so moot now, just curious if anyone else noticed this.
Agree with those above.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/8/2018 11:37 am : link
I had no problem with the call
Riverboat Ron goes for it there  
pjcas18 : 10/8/2018 11:39 am : link
but I have no issue with punting, especially the way the game had gone to that point.
really intersting take by everyone...  
BillKo : 10/8/2018 11:50 am : link
but....seems to me, in OT, with that OL and running back you go for it.

Play to win.

Did Houston actually take the ball down the field on that possession and kick a FG?
RE: Agree with those above.  
Mdgiantsfan : 10/8/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 14113542 Big Blue '56 said:
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I had no problem with the call

Ditto. Theybget stuffed again like the play before and Houston only needs a play or two to get in FG range. It would’ve have been nearly as bad a of a decision as Reich’s but still not the best. With the 2016 version of that Dallas Oline it’s a no brainer, but this year’s version is not a lock to get it done.
Dallas for the season was  
CromartiesKid21 : 10/8/2018 12:25 pm : link
18 for 19 on short yardage situations. Watson was hot you cant give him the ball back since it's likely they were going to score from where ever anyway
Watson was not hot.  
Keith : 10/8/2018 12:28 pm : link
His last 2 possessions was a punt and an INT. UP to that point, they had 3 points in the second half. Also, the cowboys were stopped on the 3 and 1 right before that. So they were 0-1 on short yardage when it really mattered.
RE: I thought the punt was the right call too  
Earl the goat : 10/8/2018 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14113515 jcn56 said:
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Watson had the shit kicked out of him, the Houston O wasn't doing much. All they needed was for the Cowboys D to get one stop after pinning them deep and they were in prime position to win with a FG.

Of course, giving up a crazy long circus play like the one that ended that game wasn't easily predictable.


You give the ball to Zeke. Run him towards Zach and La’el and you get a first down. That’s the right call I believe
If they went for it  
pjcas18 : 10/8/2018 1:05 pm : link
no one would question it IMO depending on the play call, but same is true with punting (no one should really question the decision).

I think this is literally a spot where almost no decision is wrong, unless he went for it and did some stupid deep pass play trying to get cute, if they went for it and handed the ball to Zeke or even ran a Prescott sneak, no questioning Garrett, punting also I wouldn't question Garrett.


I watched it live and thought they should have went for it  
PatersonPlank : 10/8/2018 1:12 pm : link
There was less than 6 minutes to go (I believe), and they were on like the 42 of Houston. When he did it I remember thinking they were playing for the tie
Only losers punt there  
ArcadeSlumlord : 10/8/2018 1:17 pm : link
what are you gaining punting? 20+ yds of fp? LAME.
This Was a Horrendous Call  
Bernie : 10/8/2018 1:32 pm : link
hate to say it, but if Dak and Zeke run the read option, it's unstoppable in that situation. The entire defense would key on Zeke, enabling Dak to pull it and pick up big yardage.
RE: Riverboat Ron goes for it there  
jnoble : 10/8/2018 1:33 pm : link
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but I have no issue with punting, especially the way the game had gone to that point.


ugggghhh, that nickname gives me the douche-chills
RE: RE: Riverboat Ron goes for it there  
pjcas18 : 10/8/2018 2:01 pm : link
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but I have no issue with punting, especially the way the game had gone to that point.



ugggghhh, that nickname gives me the douche-chills


yes, it's awful.
41  
Archer : 10/8/2018 2:02 pm : link
From the 41 that is 58 yard fg?

Don't you kick the ball there?

The Giants lost on a 63 yard fg.
If he gets fired, would we hire as OC  
idiotsavant : 10/8/2018 3:00 pm : link
In a heartbeat? Certainly dealt us one a few weeks back.
I agreed with the punt  
Leg of Theismann : 10/8/2018 3:14 pm : link
Dallas needed a TD there. If they got a FG they were going to have to stop Houston from getting a FG anyway. I think he figured pin them deep, get a three and out or at least not give up more than one 1st down, use your timeouts if need be to preserve time, and get the ball back 1st and 10 with decent field position only needing a FG to win. I agree at that point in the game it really didn't look like Houston offense was doing much, Watson looked like he was hurt.

By the way are you sure it was 4th and 1? I thought it was a little more than 1. Either way Zeke had just been stopped for a loss/no-gain. That's their go-to play in that situation and I don't think he wanted to run the same thing over again and see a repeat especially with the D expecting it this time. I wouldn't put the ball into Dak's hands in that situation knowing if you don't convert the game is essentially over. Pinning Houston deep with Watson hurt actually felt like Dallas still had the upper hand. And then... D Hopkins did the damn thing.
RE: Didn't seem that bad at the time.  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2018 3:25 pm : link
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Houston's offense wasn't really doing much at the time. Dallas' offense wasn't looking good and just got stuffed. You go for it and don't get it and Houston only has to gain like 20 yards for the win. A punt makes Houston have to drive the field when they weren't moving the ball well. It wasn't that bad.


All the more reason to go for it if Houston can’t move that ball. With Dak and Elliott you basically have two of the best at their position behind a massive OL. Horrible decision.
When you have so much money invested in OL and Zeke  
joe48 : 10/8/2018 3:46 pm : link
That is their offense. I think you go for it or risk backlash from fans. Most Cowboy fans can’t stand the coach but understand a good coach could never work for Jerry Jones.
Counterpoint:  
Britt in VA : 10/8/2018 3:49 pm : link
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Meanwhile, the Texans are also 2-3 after consecutive overtime wins. Interestingly, the Week 4 victory over the Indianapolis Colts came because the opposing coach was too aggressive in overtime.

Colts coach Frank Reich elected to go for it on 4th-and-4 at the defending 43-yard line, and the attempt was unsuccessful. Houston needed only one completion to move into field-goal range and secure the win.

While they were different situations, Garrett's more conservative call didn't lead to any more success.


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RE: RE: Didn't seem that bad at the time.  
Keith : 10/8/2018 3:51 pm : link
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Houston's offense wasn't really doing much at the time. Dallas' offense wasn't looking good and just got stuffed. You go for it and don't get it and Houston only has to gain like 20 yards for the win. A punt makes Houston have to drive the field when they weren't moving the ball well. It wasn't that bad.



All the more reason to go for it if Houston can’t move that ball. With Dak and Elliott you basically have two of the best at their position behind a massive OL. Horrible decision.


I'm not following your logic. The Texans can't move the ball, so the Cowboys should risk giving it to them at midfield? How does that make sense? The smart play, with 6 minutes left, is to punt the ball, stop them and get the ball back in great field position.
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