I saw something Sunday that I have not seen in years. I did not see it in Philadelphia last year and I did not see it in Houston this year. The Eli Manning of old showed up on Sunday, the interceptions and the perfect passes. Since Coughlin was let go, Eli has been playing not to make mistakes. He cannot play that way and win. His SB MVPs and fabulous playoff runs were built on his ability to come up large in the most important moments.
I never criticize Eli outside of these forums. Outside these forums I am a card carrying member of the Eli Manning fan club. My argument against everyone using stats to claim Eli was lucky, mediocre or just along for the ride on a team with a great pass rush was that to win high pressure NFL games takes a certain intangible characteristic that Eli possessed in spades. You would have to watch him week in and week out to understand it.
I have been on this site claiming it was time to move on from Eli it was because I had not seen “IT” from him in so long I thought it was gone forever. He was able to summon it yesterday. It doesn’t mean it is back for good but I have more hope for this team than I have in a long time. I even have hope for this season.
Watching Eli yesterday, it felt like he stopped listening to all the noise about completion percentage and not making turnovers and trusted his experience in winning and said to himself, “If I am going out, I am going to go out my way and just sling it” I know how I felt watching him and it felt like 2011 so much to me it hurt. Those drives at the end of the game, the magic was there.
I don’t believe Sunday was definitive evidence that things are going to turn around or that Eli can repeat it. I FELT what I have been missing from Eli yesterday and it gives me hope. They can build on this. The NFL is about momentum. I believe deep in my heart, if they beat the Eagles on this short week, they will gain the confidence to become a team playing for something.
But he still did not have time to sit back there with no pressure like Cam did.....if he did, who knows what might happen.....
He seemed to throw the ball better in the fourth quarter....
First quarter, everything was high, and OBJ saved him a couple of times......
Two passes he wants back....that fourth down pass to OBj, he hurried the throw and led him too much, which would have been ok, but he had too much steam on it.....the other was that 3rd down pass to a wide open Ellison, in which he had a solid pocket....
And guys like Davis and R. Shepard stepped up, especially Shepard after the bad series he had early in the game...
This defense has cost Eli some fourth quarter comebacks the last few seasons.....
He needs to take those vertical shots, and he did some of that yesterday, which was great to see. We still need to draft his replacement this offseason.
Kimberly Jones posted on Twitter that according to some analytics, the pass had about a 15% chance of completion -- traveled 43 yds in the air and the receiver, OBJ, had only .6 yards of separation. It was a perfect throw, great catch. Maybe Shurmer and Shula should take a few peeks at the Gilbride playbook.
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was right on the money......
Kimberly Jones posted on Twitter that according to some analytics, the pass had about a 15% chance of completion -- traveled 43 yds in the air and the receiver, OBJ, had only .6 yards of separation. It was a perfect throw, great catch. Maybe Shurmer and Shula should take a few peeks at the Gilbride playbook.
And yet you can see these types of plays in about half the games each week on NFLN sunday night wrap up show...
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In comment 14113696 Doomster said:
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was right on the money......
Kimberly Jones posted on Twitter that according to some analytics, the pass had about a 15% chance of completion -- traveled 43 yds in the air and the receiver, OBJ, had only .6 yards of separation. It was a perfect throw, great catch. Maybe Shurmer and Shula should take a few peeks at the Gilbride playbook.
And yet you can see these types of plays in about half the games each week on NFLN sunday night wrap up show...
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In comment 14113696 Doomster said:
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was right on the money......
Kimberly Jones posted on Twitter that according to some analytics, the pass had about a 15% chance of completion -- traveled 43 yds in the air and the receiver, OBJ, had only .6 yards of separation. It was a perfect throw, great catch. Maybe Shurmer and Shula should take a few peeks at the Gilbride playbook.
And yet you can see these types of plays in about half the games each week on NFLN sunday night wrap up show...
Sure, but they don't show all the other ones that don't get completed, which are likely 4x as many
But we don't always win those games in which Eli has a pulse, and we never win games in which he doesn't, and that means we go 4-12 or 5-11 and STILL people think our 37 year old QB is not an issue. He is.
Coaches take the heat for it - ask Kevin Gilbride, Tom Coughlin, and yes Ben McAdoo - but they have no choice, seeing as how there's literally never a viable option on the bench to go to (nor should there be: we don't have enough Cap Room to sign an acceptable alternative and wind up with 4th round draft picks as our backups).
Honestly, it's time to move on. This era is over.
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In comment 14113711 clatterbuck said:
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In comment 14113696 Doomster said:
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was right on the money......
Kimberly Jones posted on Twitter that according to some analytics, the pass had about a 15% chance of completion -- traveled 43 yds in the air and the receiver, OBJ, had only .6 yards of separation. It was a perfect throw, great catch. Maybe Shurmer and Shula should take a few peeks at the Gilbride playbook.
And yet you can see these types of plays in about half the games each week on NFLN sunday night wrap up show...
Yes you can. He did it this week. If the officials do not chop our legs off at the knees today is a different day and those highlights would be the lead story. One performance is NOTHING to make decisions about the future. I cannot agree more. If we see old Eli again against Philadephia AND we WIN, the discussion and narrative should take note. If we work our way to .500 I will a happy fucking fan, that is all. I care so little about being right/wrong about Eli being toast/not toast to watching meaningful football again is laughable. Moments are nice but we need to win a meaningful fucking game in our division before we pop a bottle, I GET THAT. I hope, that's it. Yesterday gave me the courage to hope.
Huh? Should take note of what exactly?
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In comment 14113696 Doomster said:
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was right on the money......
Kimberly Jones posted on Twitter that according to some analytics, the pass had about a 15% chance of completion -- traveled 43 yds in the air and the receiver, OBJ, had only .6 yards of separation. It was a perfect throw, great catch. Maybe Shurmer and Shula should take a few peeks at the Gilbride playbook.
And yet you can see these types of plays in about half the games each week on NFLN sunday night wrap up show...
Sure, but they don't show all the other ones that don't get completed, which are likely 4x as many
What's your point?
Please don't tell me you are suggesting that Eli's rate would be remarkedly better...
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But we don't always win those games in which Eli has a pulse, and we never win games in which he doesn't, and that means we go 4-12 or 5-11 and STILL people think our 37 year old QB is not an issue. He is.
Coaches take the heat for it - ask Kevin Gilbride, Tom Coughlin, and yes Ben McAdoo - but they have no choice, seeing as how there's literally never a viable option on the bench to go to (nor should there be: we don't have enough Cap Room to sign an acceptable alternative and wind up with 4th round draft picks as our backups).
Honestly, it's time to move on. This era is over.
Exactly. Not only are we a bad team, with the 1st overall pick in the draft as it stands today, we have no future at QB sitting on the bench. I don't care how much some of you wanted to discount the 2018 QBs just so Eli could continue to start for our team. They all are improving, while we are going through a roller coaster ride of up and down performances from an established veteran who should be consistently performing at a high level week in and week out. We are not winning with him anymore. Period. This is now spanning seasons. I seriously do not understand what it will take at this point for Mara to move on..
In order to bash, you need to get your facts right.
But we don't always win those games in which Eli has a pulse, and we never win games in which he doesn't, and that means we go 4-12 or 5-11 and STILL people think our 37 year old QB is not an issue. He is.
Coaches take the heat for it - ask Kevin Gilbride, Tom Coughlin, and yes Ben McAdoo - but they have no choice, seeing as how there's literally never a viable option on the bench to go to (nor should there be: we don't have enough Cap Room to sign an acceptable alternative and wind up with 4th round draft picks as our backups).
Honestly, it's time to move on. This era is over.
and yet the last 3 seasons when asked Gilbride, coughlin have all daid he is not the problem. Reese has been relatively silent, Mcadoo has been vocal but noone really trust his evaluation. shumur and gettle said he has plenty left. you point to these people but with the exception of 1 or 2, they disagree with you.
I abide by the Bill Parcels adage: "You are what your record says you are."
1-4 in 2018 with a slew of tough games ahead of us
3-12 in 2017
11-5 in 2016
6-10 in 2015
6-10 in 2014
7-9 in 2013
Do the math.
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He looks good once every three games, thanks to a little bit of help from his teammates to cover up deficiencies (including a Red Zone Int). Everyone gets a stiffy and gurgles, "He's back and better than ever!!!"
But we don't always win those games in which Eli has a pulse, and we never win games in which he doesn't, and that means we go 4-12 or 5-11 and STILL people think our 37 year old QB is not an issue. He is.
Coaches take the heat for it - ask Kevin Gilbride, Tom Coughlin, and yes Ben McAdoo - but they have no choice, seeing as how there's literally never a viable option on the bench to go to (nor should there be: we don't have enough Cap Room to sign an acceptable alternative and wind up with 4th round draft picks as our backups).
Honestly, it's time to move on. This era is over.
and yet the last 3 seasons when asked Gilbride, coughlin have all daid he is not the problem. Reese has been relatively silent, Mcadoo has been vocal but noone really trust his evaluation. shumur and gettle said he has plenty left. you point to these people but with the exception of 1 or 2, they disagree with you.
Even if he wasn't the problem, he's also not the solution. If he was, the Giants would win a lot more. Some QBs are the solution. There are some QBs that are in the playoffs every year, no matter how the OL performs or how bad their defense is.
The issue is so much less than if Eli can be a good QB anymore. He'll be 38 before next season, and the team will likely be drafting in the top 5 again. Whether or not you believe his play necessitates a change at the position or not, he will still be 38 and under contract for only one more year, and you must, as an organization, draft the next franchise QB.
You're likely not going to extend him to play his age 39 season or beyond, and further, Eli may want to retire when his contract runs out anyway, especially if the losing continues and is likely to continue.
The time is nigh to plan for the future, and there will be some guys that have the ability to be franchise QBs in this next draft. The Giants should take the best one especially if they are picking in the top 5 again.
That throw was perfect. I'm surprised we havn't gotten a few people saying, it could have been a few centimeters further, the defender had a chance to make a play on it :)
I’m one of the biggest Eli believers and it has a lot to do with what you wrote. Eli has IT and he’s had IT for us fans for over a decade, through wins and losses. I can’t ever abandon a player like this. He’s special. He showed again why he has some of the most loyal fans any athlete has ever been blessed with. He also has some of the most loyal coaches and team mates. The idea that he is a coach killer is complete garbage.
Odell’s comments could have completely derailed the season especially if our QB was thin skinned and insecure. But I watched Eli go up to Odell after his TD and give him a gentle pat on the back. After the go ahead TD, he did the same with Sterling who had a meltdown of his own. In Serby’s Q&A with Will Hernandez, he was asked what it was like to protect Eli Manning and Will talked about what an honor it was to protect someone like Eli and how he knows Eli appreciates those guys. Steady as a rock and his team mates know who their Captain is.
I’m rooting like hell, like you are, that they win on Thursday and go on a run. That Eli magic is still alive so fans should support it and try to enjoy as much of what remains as they can. When he leaves, he will be deeply missed.
I’m rooting like hell, like you are, that they win on Thursday and go on a run. That Eli magic is still alive so fans should support it and try to enjoy as much of what remains as they can. When he leaves, he will be deeply missed.
He is already deeply missed. I am not sure why this is so hard to understand. I loved Eli in his prime. He was an outstanding, top 10 QB with an amazing ability to raise his level of play in the playoffs and win Superbowls. That player is gone. I do not buy into the argument of "if you have a franchise QB you better hold on as long as possible". He cannot get us to where we need to be any longer, and there is nothing wrong with that. His time as a consistently top QB has passed, why continue to live in the past?
We lost in a shootout Foles had 4 Td's passing .
I think that game was a good part of the reason that Eli
still had a good couple seasons in him .
Was great to see the deep ball again and even though he got fooled on one pick the other was more the defender making a great play . We really should have had a win but wasn't our day and the Refs did not help ! I think next year could very well be his last . So enjoy what this season and next bring .It would be epic to see him reel in another Lombardi with all the doubters and haters !
BBelle, now we know you are JTGiants..
Eli Manning total QBR over the years:
2008 - 6th
2009 - 7th
2010 - 13th
2011 - 10th
2012 - 9th
2013 - 27th
2014 - 14th
2015 - 16th
2016 - 27th
2017 - 22nd
2018 - 20th
You can believe all you want in a soon to be 38 year old QB. He is not getting better. The team around him will, but he will not magically turn back the clock and become a consistent top QB again, and he is eating a ton of cap space as it is. We are 1-4 coming off a 3-13 season, so no, I do not believe he can be good enough to get us to where we need to be. On top of that, he will only get worse as he continues to age, but lets just keep paying him and hope it works out. That will get us far...
Jesus fucking Christ.
Maybe Cady Latimer or Evana Engrams kind of fills the role.
Why we let Black Unicorn walk for a modest contract is beyond me.
Jesus fucking Christ.
My apologies Dep...you are right...nothing matters when it comes to Eli. Not total QBR, not wins, not the fact that he has a top 3 receiver and an up and coming superstar running back on his team...only that he is under center for as long as possible.
2) Eli is done
3) we have no confident plan to replace him
4) we have a diva receiver that has no confidence in him
good luck winning
2) Eli is done
3) we have no confident plan to replace him
4) we have a diva receiver that has no confidence in him
good luck winning
forgot
5) Did dep26 give Eli his footrub on Monday
The personal attacks are just comical at this point. Most posters are one trick ponies and bring little substance on this board.
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Now we are resulting to QBR.
Jesus fucking Christ.
My apologies Dep...you are right...nothing matters when it comes to Eli. Not total QBR, not wins, not the fact that he has a top 3 receiver and an up and coming superstar running back on his team...only that he is under center for as long as possible.
Yes it’s only on Eli when it comes to wins and loses. Have a good day saying the same thing over and over and over again.
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Now we are resulting to QBR.
Jesus fucking Christ.
My apologies Dep...you are right...nothing matters when it comes to Eli. Not total QBR, not wins, not the fact that he has a top 3 receiver and an up and coming superstar running back on his team...only that he is under center for as long as possible.
Yes it’s only on Eli when it comes to wins and loses. Have a good day saying the same thing over and over and over again.
And you have a good day doing the same. "I wanted Darnold! But...(insert anything that absolves Eli of any blame)". I am not even saying he is the only thing that has resulted in all the losses. I am saying it is beyond time to move on and rebuild this team. Rebuilds do not start with 38 year old QBs.
Right...so when many of the posters on this board last year were incessantly called morons for believing this organization needed to turn the page from Eli and start over..the personal attacks were not a problem then right?
Here we are. 1-4. Awesome.
Not to blame Eli, but what the hell did you all think was going to happen this year? He is clearly not the solution with taking SB and adding Solder and Hernandez. So did you feel this was a 2-3 year plan with Eli st the helm, and that the success rate continued to increase as he got older?
For the defenders of the faith...what are we doing? I don’t want criticize unduly unless I undestand what is the optimum path to take and that this is exactly what we should be doing.
Help me people...