I saw something Sunday that I have not seen in years. I did not see it in Philadelphia last year and I did not see it in Houston this year. The Eli Manning of old showed up on Sunday, the interceptions and the perfect passes. Since Coughlin was let go, Eli has been playing not to make mistakes. He cannot play that way and win. His SB MVPs and fabulous playoff runs were built on his ability to come up large in the most important moments.
I never criticize Eli outside of these forums. Outside these forums I am a card carrying member of the Eli Manning fan club. My argument against everyone using stats to claim Eli was lucky, mediocre or just along for the ride on a team with a great pass rush was that to win high pressure NFL games takes a certain intangible characteristic that Eli possessed in spades. You would have to watch him week in and week out to understand it.
I have been on this site claiming it was time to move on from Eli it was because I had not seen IT from him in so long I thought it was gone forever. He was able to summon it yesterday. It doesnt mean it is back for good but I have more hope for this team than I have in a long time. I even have hope for this season.
Watching Eli yesterday, it felt like he stopped listening to all the noise about completion percentage and not making turnovers and trusted his experience in winning and said to himself, If I am going out, I am going to go out my way and just sling it I know how I felt watching him and it felt like 2011 so much to me it hurt. Those drives at the end of the game, the magic was there.
I dont believe Sunday was definitive evidence that things are going to turn around or that Eli can repeat it. I FELT what I have been missing from Eli yesterday and it gives me hope. They can build on this. The NFL is about momentum. I believe deep in my heart, if they beat the Eagles on this short week, they will gain the confidence to become a team playing for something.
The question is whether the lack of protection has scared the 'it' factor out of him permanently. If he can get that back, he can be a viable QB for this year, potentially next.
Many people have been complaining that we should have drafted a QB at 2, and are pointing to the play of Eli as evidence. That's a faulty selling point. A young QB thrown behind this line could get the 'it' factor scared out of him permanently and be ruined.
Any chance of this team being a contender rests upon building a strong OL. sans that, it doesn't matter who the QB is.
It certainly wasnt there vs Dallas or New Orleans as examples.
It certainly wasnt there vs Dallas or New Orleans as examples.
Manning when given protection is starting to produce positive results. I think before or even a short time ago, maybe the protection was there, but maybe the throw was rushed or he seemed hurried through his progressions. I think he's trusting his OL more which allow for the deeper routes to come open. This is a process, sometimes you go forward a step then back a step. I think perhaps some think that even when a battered qb gets protection he is supposed to instantly snap out of the state of mind that has been produced over time.
If you are wanting specifics, as in specific situations I don't have any for you.
Once Eli is gone... you wont be missed and neither will your trolling ways.
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With Eli at the helm is if the defense is able to reincarnate the play of the post season runs in 2007 and 2011 or what the broncos had in Peytons last season. Otherwise this team isnt getting over 500
Once Eli is gone... you wont be missed and neither will your trolling ways.
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In comment 14116543 Les in TO said:
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With Eli at the helm is if the defense is able to reincarnate the play of the post season runs in 2007 and 2011 or what the broncos had in Peytons last season. Otherwise this team isnt getting over 500
Once Eli is gone... you wont be missed and neither will your trolling ways.
Ive been here since 1995 when this was BBHP and Petes Corner. I survived and endured through the Dave Brown era and I will be here after Eli is gone. You on the other hand will likely not only be absent from here (assuming you arent banned again first) but your life will probably be without any purpose or meaning.
Ill be here sweetie when Eli is gone wondering why your posting has decreased dramatically.
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improvement that you speak of. In the second half of the 4qtr vs Carolina?
It certainly wasnt there vs Dallas or New Orleans as examples.
Manning when given protection is starting to produce positive results. I think before or even a short time ago, maybe the protection was there, but maybe the throw was rushed or he seemed hurried through his progressions. I think he's trusting his OL more which allow for the deeper routes to come open. This is a process, sometimes you go forward a step then back a step. I think perhaps some think that even when a battered qb gets protection he is supposed to instantly snap out of the state of mind that has been produced over time.
If you are wanting specifics, as in specific situations I don't have any for you.
Ok, but your comments above really just reek of a fan's undying faith in a something/somebody that no longer exists.
While you may be a really good loyal fan, you also post based on some emotional hope that time/circumstances from the past should be able to be reincarnated in the future given enough chances.
And in the end, you are most likely just going to wind up being a really good loyal disappointed fan...
Ill be here sweetie when Eli is gone wondering why your posting has decreased dramatically.
both of you are embarrassing...
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Ive been here since 1995 when this was BBHP and Petes Corner. I survived and endured through the Dave Brown era and I will be here after Eli is gone. You on the other hand will likely not only be absent from here (assuming you arent banned again first) but your life will probably be without any purpose or meaning.
Ill be here sweetie when Eli is gone wondering why your posting has decreased dramatically.
both of you are embarrassing...
We follow your lead....
Right...
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In comment 14116209 Jimmy Googs said:
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improvement that you speak of. In the second half of the 4qtr vs Carolina?
It certainly wasnt there vs Dallas or New Orleans as examples.
Manning when given protection is starting to produce positive results. I think before or even a short time ago, maybe the protection was there, but maybe the throw was rushed or he seemed hurried through his progressions. I think he's trusting his OL more which allow for the deeper routes to come open. This is a process, sometimes you go forward a step then back a step. I think perhaps some think that even when a battered qb gets protection he is supposed to instantly snap out of the state of mind that has been produced over time.
If you are wanting specifics, as in specific situations I don't have any for you.
Ok, but your comments above really just reek of a fan's undying faith in a something/somebody that no longer exists.
While you may be a really good loyal fan, you also post based on some emotional hope that time/circumstances from the past should be able to be reincarnated in the future given enough chances.
And in the end, you are most likely just going to wind up being a really good loyal disappointed fan...
First off Jimmy, I appreciate the honest reply. Second, my disappointment is only tied to my expectations. I have faced the possibility that Manning won't get back mentally to where he was and I'm fine with that. So even if I am seeing things that aren't there I still keep in mind that I certainly can be wrong which helps mitigate any disappointment.
I understand the possibility that I still don't know shit about the game, while also knowing I'm attempting to learn when given the opportunity, pending I don't let my own personal pride blind me.
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