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NFT: So what will Mike be most torqued about today?

DC Gmen Fan : 10/8/2018 1:50 pm
OBJ interview?
The refs?
NFL penalties?
Shurmur's presser?
Mets middle relief going forward?


he just spent his opening...  
jnoble : 10/8/2018 3:16 pm : link
...going off on OBJ who is "always going to be a problem"
RE: he just spent his opening...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/8/2018 3:29 pm : link
In comment 14113966 jnoble said:
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...going off on OBJ who is "always going to be a problem"


He's right. The team is committed to 5 years of this dumb drama. You can't win with guys like this. It doesn't matter if the guy is the most talented football player ever. This isn't baseball with 1 v. 1 match ups every time with a pitcher and batter. The unit has to function as a cohesive team at all times.

Remember when Beckham "turned the corner" mentally in this off- season and I kept saying it was a ridiculous act?

The Giants sacrificed the way the have done business (successfully) since the days of George Young and appeased this fool.

Wait until he has a rookie QB who needs to develop on the fly and Beckham can't "get his" for a little while. You might as well bring the PT Barnum elephants right into the locker room for that circus.

The move was to trade Beckham for max value this offseason. If it was a first and a third then so be it.

It's hard for a lot of you guys to imagine this but literally just cutting him today would lead to better success long term for the Giants at this point. He's a cancer that permeates the entire team and organization.

Compare him to Shephard- a hard nose player who isn't that far off in terms of talent but does things properly. Never shows up an opponent, never interviews with Josina Anderson and complains, just shows up, makes his $$, produces and goes home.

Realistically you need to realize we lost the game because of Odell Beckham yesterday. I know he had 2 tds but think of the swing from a team punting to getting a TD. That could be a 14 point swing right there, in a 2 point game.

I'm sorry to rant but there has to be some end to the placating of this guy. He's a great talent with a .10 cent head. No thanks. I'd rather go 0-16 for 2 years to rebuild with smart and reliable football players than deal with this idiot.
Yeah plus  
B in ALB : 10/8/2018 3:37 pm : link
there are rumors about him being part of the Midwest Gay Club scene. That is a huge contract violation.
I would hold judgment for a couple more weeks  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/8/2018 3:47 pm : link
to see how the team responds and to see what he says/does going forward.
F that  
spike : 10/8/2018 3:49 pm : link
Beckham is right and this team should be MAD about something and everything.

Now go beat the Birds!
RE: Yeah plus  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/8/2018 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14113992 B in ALB said:
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there are rumors about him being part of the Midwest Gay Club scene. That is a huge contract violation.


Smh........why. I thought we were past this man. What's your issue with me now?
For the beckham haters  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2018 3:56 pm : link
Michael kay is ripping him apart saying the team played in spite of beckham and that brckham is plotting either an exit or trying to implode the team on purpose..
RE: For the beckham haters  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 10/8/2018 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14114035 nygiants16 said:
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Michael kay is ripping him apart saying the team played in spite of beckham and that brckham is plotting either an exit or trying to implode the team on purpose..


The next informed comment from Michael Kay on the New York Giants will be the first.
RE: RE: For the beckham haters  
nygiants16 : 10/8/2018 4:00 pm : link
In comment 14114045 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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In comment 14114035 nygiants16 said:


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Michael kay is ripping him apart saying the team played in spite of beckham and that brckham is plotting either an exit or trying to implode the team on purpose..



The next informed comment from Michael Kay on the New York Giants will be the first.


also blamed beckham for shepard being upset on the sidelines, no mention of beckham calming him down
Never would have guessed TLG  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2018 4:04 pm : link
coming on here and cutting and pasting his book entry on Odell. Very original.
And I couldn’t suffer through the post  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2018 4:05 pm : link
but I did see that Shepard is almost as talented as Beckham. That’s a joke right?
Beckham is what gets the ratings  
AJ23 : 10/8/2018 4:06 pm : link
It does bum me out that he's all anyone is talking about, and no one seems to have time to also discuss the officiating
yeah ratings  
mdc1 : 10/8/2018 4:18 pm : link
every game they have this optic of him cooling off by the fan, talking to himself or multiple personalities. Who the f can hear him saying anything in front of a fan?

going political with an an ex and disgraced ESPN reporter is not helping him. Who knows, maybe he wants to have his own private circus each game and become the next Colin K.
RE: For the beckham haters  
jnoble : 10/8/2018 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14114035 nygiants16 said:
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Michael kay is ripping him apart saying the team played in spite of beckham and that brckham is plotting either an exit or trying to implode the team on purpose..


...or Odell is doing (or planning on doing) either of those.

These sports guys just LOOOOOOOOOVE looking for gossipy drama where it doesn't exist or isn't what they describe it as.
Kay is a big headed fool.
RE: And I couldn’t suffer through the post  
japanhead : 10/8/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14114071 UConn4523 said:
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but I did see that Shepard is almost as talented as Beckham. That’s a joke right?


thatlimerick guy is right about beckham, and so is francesser. beckham made as many bad plays yesterday as he did good, his attitude is infecting shepard, and he will always need to be "managed" in some way, because he's a baby who doesn't seem to get it. i'll be honest, i kind of hope they trade him.
RE: RE: For the beckham haters  
japanhead : 10/8/2018 5:18 pm : link
In comment 14114249 jnoble said:
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In comment 14114035 nygiants16 said:


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Michael kay is ripping him apart saying the team played in spite of beckham and that brckham is plotting either an exit or trying to implode the team on purpose..



...or Odell is doing (or planning on doing) either of those.

These sports guys just LOOOOOOOOOVE looking for gossipy drama where it doesn't exist or isn't what they describe it as.
Kay is a big headed fool.


this isn't gossipy drama. beckham is a diva headcase, and has been throughout his career, on the field, as recently as last year when he pretended to piss like a dog before he went on IR. this year he seems fine enough on the field, but is a mess on the sideline and in the media-lockerroom.

francesser has him pegged exactly right
TLG Is GoTerps Lite  
j_rud : 10/8/2018 5:23 pm : link
Twice the contrarianism with half the intelligence
Well Michael Kay is a complete  
Dave on the UWS : 10/8/2018 5:41 pm : link
dill weed. He makes up crap to seem controversial.
As far as Limerick is concerned LT used to be just as much a problem child. Social media and how the press covers sports now magnifies these issues 100 fold. Other than talking in the press (which is never a good idea) Beckham is trying to galvanize his team ( which seemed to have worked on Sun). Shurmur has issues with it, and he spoke with the team and the locker room handled it according to the coach. It is essentially a non story but anything to do with OBJ ( including how often he takes a piss) is MAJOR news and deserves wall to wall coverage. It gets listeners and sells papers. That’s the bottom line.
right now  
japanhead : 10/8/2018 5:45 pm : link
beckham's most memorable moments are the one handed catch v dallas, the meltdown v josh norman, coming up small in the playoffs dropping everything in sight, pissing like a dog after a TD w/ zero team wins, opining to reporters how he wants to play for the rams, and the muffed/half ass on the punt return to put his team in a deep hole in the closest thing to a must-win game this season.. shurmur said he's been held accountable and that it's galvanized the lockerroom. i'll take him at his word.
Major league idiots on this site and on the radio  
Keyser : 10/8/2018 5:53 pm : link
8 for 131 with a TD as well as a 57 TD pass thrown. Yeah, OBJ is why they lost and he had nothing to do with why the Giants finally scored 30+ points and had a lead at the end of the game that the defense blew.

I'm sure OBJ's attitude caused Eli to throw those two killer interceptions that had absolutely nothing to do with the loss.

We certainly saw last year that the Giants didn't commit any knuckleheaded penalties when OBJ was out. Its all on him. Boy, Eli Apple, Janoris Jenkins, and DRC sure were choir boys last year and the epitome of effort without OBJ's bad attitude around.

And I'm sure the fact that Shepard got open deep late in the game had nothing to do with the safeties eyes following where OBJ was on the play.

I certainly would be much happier if the Giants would have just lost quietly and quit by halftime without OBJ's terrible attitude.
RE: right now  
Keyser : 10/8/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14114349 japanhead said:
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beckham's most memorable moments are the one handed catch v dallas, the meltdown v josh norman, coming up small in the playoffs dropping everything in sight, pissing like a dog after a TD w/ zero team wins, opining to reporters how he wants to play for the rams, and the muffed/half ass on the punt return to put his team in a deep hole in the closest thing to a must-win game this season.. shurmur said he's been held accountable and that it's galvanized the lockerroom. i'll take him at his word.


I certainly don't remember his 2016 TD against Baltimore bailing out a defensive collapse or his 2016 TD against Dallas late in the season which flipped that game from an L to a W, just off the top of my head.
RE: RE: right now  
japanhead : 10/8/2018 6:01 pm : link
In comment 14114390 Keyser said:
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In comment 14114349 japanhead said:


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beckham's most memorable moments are the one handed catch v dallas, the meltdown v josh norman, coming up small in the playoffs dropping everything in sight, pissing like a dog after a TD w/ zero team wins, opining to reporters how he wants to play for the rams, and the muffed/half ass on the punt return to put his team in a deep hole in the closest thing to a must-win game this season.. shurmur said he's been held accountable and that it's galvanized the lockerroom. i'll take him at his word.



I certainly don't remember his 2016 TD against Baltimore bailing out a defensive collapse or his 2016 TD against Dallas late in the season which flipped that game from an L to a W, just off the top of my head.


you do remember him being awful in the GB playoff game, though, right?
The ONLY problem with Beckham  
Dave in PA : 10/8/2018 6:01 pm : link
Is that he is still dropping too many catchable balls. The Giants aren’t good enough to overcome drive killing drops by him. It may not be fair, but he needs to be damn near perfect every game for this offense to put up meaningful points.

For everyone lamenting the off field gossip and bullshit, JUST IGNORE THAT CRAP AND WATCH THE GAMES ON SUNDAY. I assure you this team is much better off with Backhan than without.
RE: RE: RE: right now  
Keyser : 10/8/2018 6:20 pm : link
In comment 14114400 japanhead said:
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In comment 14114349 japanhead said:


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beckham's most memorable moments are the one handed catch v dallas, the meltdown v josh norman, coming up small in the playoffs dropping everything in sight, pissing like a dog after a TD w/ zero team wins, opining to reporters how he wants to play for the rams, and the muffed/half ass on the punt return to put his team in a deep hole in the closest thing to a must-win game this season.. shurmur said he's been held accountable and that it's galvanized the lockerroom. i'll take him at his word.



I certainly don't remember his 2016 TD against Baltimore bailing out a defensive collapse or his 2016 TD against Dallas late in the season which flipped that game from an L to a W, just off the top of my head.



you do remember him being awful in the GB playoff game, though, right?


Yep, terrible game by him, no question. However, a game they only got to because he was essentially the entire offense that year and had many moments which were conveniently left off of his list of memorable moments.

BTW, take a look at Jerry Rice's first couple of playoff games for comparison, especially his second game where he fumbled away a sure TD without being touched and swung the momentum of that game which turned into a rout. They were playing some team in blue IIRC.

RE: Major league idiots on this site and on the radio  
ThatLimerickGuy : 10/8/2018 7:55 pm : link
In comment 14114378 Keyser said:
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8 for 131 with a TD as well as a 57 TD pass thrown. Yeah, OBJ is why they lost and he had nothing to do with why the Giants finally scored 30+ points and had a lead at the end of the game that the defense blew.

I'm sure OBJ's attitude caused Eli to throw those two killer interceptions that had absolutely nothing to do with the loss.

We certainly saw last year that the Giants didn't commit any knuckleheaded penalties when OBJ was out. Its all on him. Boy, Eli Apple, Janoris Jenkins, and DRC sure were choir boys last year and the epitome of effort without OBJ's bad attitude around.

And I'm sure the fact that Shepard got open deep late in the game had nothing to do with the safeties eyes following where OBJ was on the play.

I certainly would be much happier if the Giants would have just lost quietly and quit by halftime without OBJ's terrible attitude.


You don't get what I am (and I think japanhead to some extent) is saying.

Beckham may very well be the most physically gifted player in the NFL right now. If anyone says otherwise they aren't being honest.

I think a lot of people think it is like baseball or the NBA, where just assembling the best individual talent usually wins.

Football doesn't work that way. My grandfather used to have a saying...."the football has these pointy edges and they make it bounce real funny sometimes".

Football more than any other sport requires more than just talent. It's a commitment to the guy next to you. It's a commitment to the coaches and yes even the owners who pay you. It's called PROFESSIONAL football for a reason.

Now if you read about this interview- he bypassed the normal protocol that players use for those Sunday shows of running it through the Giants PR department. In other words- to self-serve his own interests he decided to speak out against his organization, his coaches and his teammates. Great.

So he goes ahead and runs his dumb mouth and then basically hands 7 points to the other team by being a blockhead and drops a key 4th down pass. In a bubble either are fine, but for 90 million dollars the guy needs to be a leader and set an example for the younger guys about how to act and how to be a Giant.

In short, it means absolutely nothing to him to wear a Giants uniform, which is fine. It's a business. But what should mean something is his responsibility to his teammates, coaches, owners and most importantly FANS to try to HELP the team win. That is his only job requirement. Having to have all of the above make excuses for actions every week isn't helping.

He's never going to get it. Again- wait for this rebuild with the young QB. It's going to be disgusting how he acts.

some of you people are so obsessed with sound bytes  
UConn4523 : 10/8/2018 8:11 pm : link
it makes me question how you even get up in the morning and make it through a day.

If Beckham's comments really bother you in this version of the NFL, that's basically a giant video game pimping its players, than go nuts with the pitch forks. Such stupid stuff to get bent out of shape over, but that's BBI.
...  
christian : 10/8/2018 8:23 pm : link
Bwahhahahhahha. Oh this guy's a big spoofer.

Shepard close to the talent of Beckham. Almost got me there counselor.
RE: RE: Major league idiots on this site and on the radio  
Keyser : 10/8/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 14114569 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 14114378 Keyser said:


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8 for 131 with a TD as well as a 57 TD pass thrown. Yeah, OBJ is why they lost and he had nothing to do with why the Giants finally scored 30+ points and had a lead at the end of the game that the defense blew.

I'm sure OBJ's attitude caused Eli to throw those two killer interceptions that had absolutely nothing to do with the loss.

We certainly saw last year that the Giants didn't commit any knuckleheaded penalties when OBJ was out. Its all on him. Boy, Eli Apple, Janoris Jenkins, and DRC sure were choir boys last year and the epitome of effort without OBJ's bad attitude around.

And I'm sure the fact that Shepard got open deep late in the game had nothing to do with the safeties eyes following where OBJ was on the play.

I certainly would be much happier if the Giants would have just lost quietly and quit by halftime without OBJ's terrible attitude.



You don't get what I am (and I think japanhead to some extent) is saying.

Beckham may very well be the most physically gifted player in the NFL right now. If anyone says otherwise they aren't being honest.

I think a lot of people think it is like baseball or the NBA, where just assembling the best individual talent usually wins.

Football doesn't work that way. My grandfather used to have a saying...."the football has these pointy edges and they make it bounce real funny sometimes".

Football more than any other sport requires more than just talent. It's a commitment to the guy next to you. It's a commitment to the coaches and yes even the owners who pay you. It's called PROFESSIONAL football for a reason.

Now if you read about this interview- he bypassed the normal protocol that players use for those Sunday shows of running it through the Giants PR department. In other words- to self-serve his own interests he decided to speak out against his organization, his coaches and his teammates. Great.

So he goes ahead and runs his dumb mouth and then basically hands 7 points to the other team by being a blockhead and drops a key 4th down pass. In a bubble either are fine, but for 90 million dollars the guy needs to be a leader and set an example for the younger guys about how to act and how to be a Giant.

In short, it means absolutely nothing to him to wear a Giants uniform, which is fine. It's a business. But what should mean something is his responsibility to his teammates, coaches, owners and most importantly FANS to try to HELP the team win. That is his only job requirement. Having to have all of the above make excuses for actions every week isn't helping.

He's never going to get it. Again- wait for this rebuild with the young QB. It's going to be disgusting how he acts.


Lets take your on the field play examples.
1) The muffed punt touchdown. He was doing the right thing, namely NOT fielding the punt and trying to block the opponent from downing it inside the 5. He unfortunately didn't realize how close he was to the punt and it went off his leg. This is not exactly the same as just trying to catch a punt and muffing it
2) The dropped 4th down pass. Yep, it hurt. Guess what, every great player has drops and fumbles, and sometimes it comes at the worst time.

Did he let these mistakes get him down? No. He did what all great players do. He brushed them off and made up for his mistakes in spades for all of the good plays he made. 8-131-1 and 1-57-1 aren't just stats, they were an integral part of what should have been a Giants victory. The pass to Barkley completely turned that game around. He beat double coverage for his touchdown to give them a shot to win.

If we are going to demand absolute perfection, then Eli Manning should have been dropped to the curb a long time ago. I love Eli, but lets be honest, how many awful INTs has he thrown in this career. He threw 2 in this game that were absolute killers! Yet, somehow its all OBJs fault.

Were you even paying attention to the what this teams offense looked like without OBJ last year?

Now lets go to the off the field interview. Did it look like at any point in the game that the Giants weren't unified as a team, and that OBJ wasn't a key part of that unity? Did they give up when adversity struck as they did so many times last year? Did OBJ sit by himself and not constantly encourage and cheer on and celebrate with his teammates?

Let talk about commitment. OBJ gets himself hurt last year and is begging to come back on the field. He played in game 2 as essentially a decoy and put himself in harms way when he was in no way ready to play because his team needed him. He almost single-handedly turned around the Eagles games which the defense proceeded to hand back to the Eagles. If you looked at that last year and thought he was a me first player, then I don't know what to tell you.
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