gets the top job as president or something and they bring is Bloom as the GM? Wouldn't be ideal but could be a lot worse right?
I'd take that in one second. I expect it to be LaRoque or Melvin. Again Melvin is ON record saying he's too old for this and it's a young mans game... 3 years ago!
In giving up my Mets Fan card if thats the offseason
I have no problem with it, not the players I suggested but the positions (other than catcher) are almost spot-on to my post about how I'd handle this off-season.
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For those that are in favor of the previously mentioned offseason. Not arguing the lpayers, or their ability. But what are your guesses on the contracts each guy will land?
Catcher - Wilson Ramos
Third Base - Josh Donaldson
Starter - Nathan Eovaldi
Reliever - Greg Holland
Reliever - Jorge De La Rosa
Reliever - Shawn Kelley
I work in analytics, not in baseball, but you don't need the GM to be some analytics wiz, you need the analytics people to be under someone. Feeding them information. The GM job, needs leadership, needs to understand relationships, needs to be smart about selling and buying, they are more a day trader than a data scientist. Think about the movie the big short - you had Ryan Gosling's character and his quant...Gosling's character was the trader, he was buying, he was bringing people together on a deal. We need that guy. Dan, tell me how i'm wrong?
any feelings of hope are probably futile but this seems encouraging
No fewer than seven candidates interviewed in the first round. Of those, at least four -- Chaim Bloom, Doug Melvin, Kim Ng and Brodie Van Wagenen -- remain in realistic contention.
Out of the running are Gary LaRocque and De Jon Watson, who will not receive second interviews. A source expressed skepticism that another interviewee, Dave Littlefield, will receive a call-back, though his status was not completely clear as of Friday night.
Bloom and Ng are probably the 2 most intriguing candidates. Melvin I'd hope would be more of a senior position to manage the wilpons and hire/advise a younger GM a la stearns. Would prefer to not try to convert an agent to a GM, but i'm not super familiar with Van Wagenen. 1st-round GM interviews end; at least 4 in running - ( New Window )
whoops looks like that was oldish news - re: sheckys question
that offseason would be a failure for the bullpen alone.
Eovoldi should get close to Cobb money (4/50m+). Ramos I'd guess 2 years with a 3rd year option. Holland 1 year. Donaldson no idea. I wouldn't mind him on a big 1 year prove it deal.
Guesstimates say the Mets would spend $60/$65mm for 2019??? And may or may not be improving the ball club? And thats a good offseason?
It's a generic offseason without strategy. So I wouldn't call it a good offseason but "very mets". I feel like it wouldnt be hard to go back 12 months and find a tweet that says "if the mets resign bruce, add an IF like Frazier, a depth starter + a reliever similar to Reed would that be a good offseason?". They check off shopping list needs in the discount aisle vs. finding the right guys - which is probably the biggest shift in thinking I hope results from a new gm.
hindsight is 20/20 but had they splurged most of what they'd spent last year on just Cain and better relievers and just filled in cheaply with internal options at 3B/SP (Flores/Lugo?) they'd have put themselves in a much better position for wherever this current "run" goes during JDG's prime.
Swing for the fences and get both Machado and Harper
Bruce for someones overpaid reliever
Frazier/Flores for RP and backup catcher.
Move Wheeler if opportunity presents itself, keep if not.
DG, Thor, Wheeler, Matz Vargas/Gsellman
Mix and match the pen from above and holdovers
Great, balanced lineup
Unreal SP
Potential holes in pen, but easiest place to plug in offseason. Or deadl8ne.
Younger. Faster. More athletic. Built to win now
And for several years. Didnt touch the future!! Most importantly, tons of flexibility moving forward.
I work in analytics, not in baseball, but you don't need the GM to be some analytics wiz, you need the analytics people to be under someone. Feeding them information. The GM job, needs leadership, needs to understand relationships, needs to be smart about selling and buying, they are more a day trader than a data scientist. Think about the movie the big short - you had Ryan Gosling's character and his quant...Gosling's character was the trader, he was buying, he was bringing people together on a deal. We need that guy. Dan, tell me how i'm wrong?
You would advocate a 66 year old ON RECORD as admitting the game has likely passed him by? That sounds ideal to you? His age isn't the issue.
"The job had just grown to a point that it's more suited for somebody who's younger than me."
Now you give me a defense of hiring him given that quote
He also said this-
Melvin has continued to work in player development with the Brewers, but hes also taken more time for himself. Its like the difference between a coach and a manager. When youre a coach, you have your certain responsibilities. Youre available. But when youre the manager, you feel responsible to 25 players, plus the coaches and the trainers and everybody, says Melvin. As a GM, he says, [you feel a total responsibility. Pro scouting, amateur scouting, international scouting, player development, the Major League team theres always something to think about.
Now I ask again... 3 seasons ago he said these things... does THIS sound like the guy you want to hire? With the fire in his belly? With the energy?
At season's end, he transitioned to be senior advisor to a new GM less than half his age, David Stearns.
"You do sleep better," Melvin said.
He's done more than sleep. With Stearns and new assistant GM Matt Arnold in charge, Melvin has returned to his player-development roots. Ray Montgomery, amateur scouting director, invited Melvin to Houston for four days of meetings with the team's scouts. Melvin also spent five days in Phoenix at the Brewers' instructional league and the Arizona Fall League. He only briefly attended the GM Meetings in November to receive a 20-year service award. At the Winter Meetings in December, he had time to catch up with old friends in the lobby.
He's also had more time for real life. This past fall he spent a full week in Tampa, Fla., where son Cory, a Brewers scout, was married. He's enjoyed several weeks at the family's second home in Park City, Utah, where he reads and goes snowshoeing. He visited his parents in Ontario. In Milwaukee he has attended Bucks games with their GM, John Hammond, a good friend.
Melvin still occupies the same office at Miller Park but keeps a more flexible schedule, and he summed up his role like this: "I'm there when they need me."
Swing for the fences and get both Machado and Harper
Bruce for someones overpaid reliever
Frazier/Flores for RP and backup catcher.
Move Wheeler if opportunity presents itself, keep if not.
DG, Thor, Wheeler, Matz Vargas/Gsellman
Mix and match the pen from above and holdovers
Great, balanced lineup
Unreal SP
Potential holes in pen, but easiest place to plug in offseason. Or deadl8ne.
Younger. Faster. More athletic. Built to win now
And for several years. Didnt touch the future!! Most importantly, tons of flexibility moving forward.
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) AA 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
8) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
9) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
10) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
11) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
12) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
13) Luis Santana (2B) 15/26-58%
14) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
15) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
16) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
to let the candidates speak to the press, I think Brodie is a very very charismatic guy. I just think he oozes it. And the players will love him because he understands their side of the deal.
I wont pull a bitch move and root for the Yankees because Grandma liked them, however Id probably just stop watching altogether. Im close as it is anyway.
This is such a Mets type of move. Lets take a guy who publicly admitted he sucks and doesnt want to do it, and make this guy one of our top choices. Hell, senile Fred Wilpon is probably trying to talk Melvin into it.
This franchise is such a joke. This really is the last straw for me.
Extremely highly thought of throughout the game. It's a risk but he's run a successful business and knows the game. I want Bloom but if they go BVG I'm on board.
With the help of an analytics firm in Chicago, (Cespedes agents) came up with a dollar figure for the impact Cespedes had on the field, social media, team television revenues, and ticket and merchandise sale. They even put a figure, $3.2 million, on the value of the approximately 50 tabloid back pages that had featured Cespedes over the course of 2016. Cespedes playing with flair, Cespedes hitting game-changing home runs, Cespedes driving exotic cars in spring training, Cespedes arriving for a workout on horseback.
The only guy I have confidence can convice the Coupons to listen to him is Omar.
At this point, just make Omar the freaking GM. I wasn't much of a fan of the job he did last time out, but he at least convinced the Coupons to spend money on free agents, something I have no confidence anybody else can do.
RE: honest question - are there examples of agent turned gms succeeding?
and in my plan Frazier isn't on the bench, they suffer through another year with the "toddfather".
and in my plan Frazier isn't on the bench, they suffer through another year with the "toddfather".
Wilmer likely will be but I think they will look at Wilmer/Frazier at 15+ million on the bench in 2 players and that's not very Mets-like.
I'd take that in one second. I expect it to be LaRoque or Melvin. Again Melvin is ON record saying he's too old for this and it's a young mans game... 3 years ago!
I have no problem with it, not the players I suggested but the positions (other than catcher) are almost spot-on to my post about how I'd handle this off-season.
So 2 more down and then you can breathe easier? Littlefield and Melvin?
Looks like Melvin, Bloom and Ng remain
Melvin... 3 years ago. "The job had just grown to a point that it's more suited for somebody who's younger than me." #Mets
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He's out per Carig
Looks like Melvin, Bloom and Ng remain
Good one.
Catcher - Wilson Ramos
Third Base - Josh Donaldson
Starter - Nathan Eovaldi
Reliever - Greg Holland
Reliever - Jorge De La Rosa
Reliever - Shawn Kelley
Donaldson - 4 years 72 million
De La Rosa - 1 year 3.5 million
Kelly - 2 year 12 million
Holland - 1 year 5 million
Out of the running are Gary LaRocque and De Jon Watson, who will not receive second interviews. A source expressed skepticism that another interviewee, Dave Littlefield, will receive a call-back, though his status was not completely clear as of Friday night.
Bloom and Ng are probably the 2 most intriguing candidates. Melvin I'd hope would be more of a senior position to manage the wilpons and hire/advise a younger GM a la stearns. Would prefer to not try to convert an agent to a GM, but i'm not super familiar with Van Wagenen.
1st-round GM interviews end; at least 4 in running - ( New Window )
Eovoldi should get close to Cobb money (4/50m+). Ramos I'd guess 2 years with a 3rd year option. Holland 1 year. Donaldson no idea. I wouldn't mind him on a big 1 year prove it deal.
It's a generic offseason without strategy. So I wouldn't call it a good offseason but "very mets". I feel like it wouldnt be hard to go back 12 months and find a tweet that says "if the mets resign bruce, add an IF like Frazier, a depth starter + a reliever similar to Reed would that be a good offseason?". They check off shopping list needs in the discount aisle vs. finding the right guys - which is probably the biggest shift in thinking I hope results from a new gm.
hindsight is 20/20 but had they splurged most of what they'd spent last year on just Cain and better relievers and just filled in cheaply with internal options at 3B/SP (Flores/Lugo?) they'd have put themselves in a much better position for wherever this current "run" goes during JDG's prime.
Bruce for someones overpaid reliever
Frazier/Flores for RP and backup catcher.
Move Wheeler if opportunity presents itself, keep if not.
DG, Thor, Wheeler, Matz Vargas/Gsellman
Mix and match the pen from above and holdovers
Nimmo, McNeil, Machado, Harper, Alonso, Conforto, Rosario, Plawecki
Great, balanced lineup
Unreal SP
Potential holes in pen, but easiest place to plug in offseason. Or deadl8ne.
Younger. Faster. More athletic. Built to win now
And for several years. Didnt touch the future!! Most importantly, tons of flexibility moving forward.
You would advocate a 66 year old ON RECORD as admitting the game has likely passed him by? That sounds ideal to you? His age isn't the issue.
Now you give me a defense of hiring him given that quote
He also said this-
Melvin has continued to work in player development with the Brewers, but hes also taken more time for himself. Its like the difference between a coach and a manager. When youre a coach, you have your certain responsibilities. Youre available. But when youre the manager, you feel responsible to 25 players, plus the coaches and the trainers and everybody, says Melvin. As a GM, he says, [you feel a total responsibility. Pro scouting, amateur scouting, international scouting, player development, the Major League team theres always something to think about.
Now I ask again... 3 seasons ago he said these things... does THIS sound like the guy you want to hire? With the fire in his belly? With the energy?
At season's end, he transitioned to be senior advisor to a new GM less than half his age, David Stearns.
"You do sleep better," Melvin said.
He's done more than sleep. With Stearns and new assistant GM Matt Arnold in charge, Melvin has returned to his player-development roots. Ray Montgomery, amateur scouting director, invited Melvin to Houston for four days of meetings with the team's scouts. Melvin also spent five days in Phoenix at the Brewers' instructional league and the Arizona Fall League. He only briefly attended the GM Meetings in November to receive a 20-year service award. At the Winter Meetings in December, he had time to catch up with old friends in the lobby.
He's also had more time for real life. This past fall he spent a full week in Tampa, Fla., where son Cory, a Brewers scout, was married. He's enjoyed several weeks at the family's second home in Park City, Utah, where he reads and goes snowshoeing. He visited his parents in Ontario. In Milwaukee he has attended Bucks games with their GM, John Hammond, a good friend.
Melvin still occupies the same office at Miller Park but keeps a more flexible schedule, and he summed up his role like this: "I'm there when they need me."
Bruce for someones overpaid reliever
Frazier/Flores for RP and backup catcher.
Move Wheeler if opportunity presents itself, keep if not.
DG, Thor, Wheeler, Matz Vargas/Gsellman
Mix and match the pen from above and holdovers
Nimmo, McNeil, Machado, Harper, Alonso, Conforto, Rosario, Plawecki
Great, balanced lineup
Unreal SP
Potential holes in pen, but easiest place to plug in offseason. Or deadl8ne.
Younger. Faster. More athletic. Built to win now
And for several years. Didnt touch the future!! Most importantly, tons of flexibility moving forward.
I'll take 2 of whatever he's having.
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) AA 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
8) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
9) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
10) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
11) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
12) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
13) Luis Santana (2B) 15/26-58%
14) Will Toffey (3B) 10/29-34%, run-off with Cecchini 15/27-56%
15) Gavin Cecchini (2b) 14/26-46%
16) Francisco Alvarez (C) 9/26-35%
This is such a Mets type of move. Lets take a guy who publicly admitted he sucks and doesnt want to do it, and make this guy one of our top choices. Hell, senile Fred Wilpon is probably trying to talk Melvin into it.
This franchise is such a joke. This really is the last straw for me.
Shecky here is last years list
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) 12/27 votes-44%
2) David Peterson (LHP) 12/24 votes-50%
3) Mark Vientos (SS/3B) 13/24 votes-54%
4) Peter Alonso (1B) 21/28 votes-75%
5) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) 10/22-45%
6) Justin Dunn (RHP) 4/20-20%, runoff with Lindsay/Guillorme/Kay 9/22-41%
7) Desmond Lindsay (OF) 12/26-46%
8) Luis Guillorme (SS) 8/25-32%, run-off with Kay 11/22-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
9) Anthony Kay (LHP) 9/24-38%, run-off with Bashlor 10/20-50%, advances due to more votes in previous poll
10) Tyler Bashlor (RHP) 11/16-69%
11) Tomas Nido (C) 6/24-25%, run-off with Molina and Oswalt 12/20 60%
12) Marcos Molina (RHP) 6/20-30%, run-off with Evans 13/20-65%
13) Ronny Mauricio (SS) 6/17-35%
14) Gavin Cecchini (2B) 6/23-26%, run-off with Mazeika 12/15-80%
15) Chris Flexen (RHP) 8/26-31%, run-off with Mazeika/Thompson 8/11-73%
16) Patrick Mazeika (C) 6/22-27%, run-off with Thompson 8/14-57%
17) Corey Oswalt (RHP) 6/21-29%, run-off with Thompson 10/18-56%
18) David Thompson (3B) 8/21-38%
19) Jordan Humphreys (RHP) 9/16-56%
20) Kevin Kaczmarski (OF) 5/14-36%
21)Gerson Bautista (RHP) 5/24-21%, run-off with Evans 11/19-58%
22) Phil Evans (UTIL) 6/17-35%
23) Juan Uriarte (C) 6/19-32%
24) Drew Smith (RHP) 6/21-29%, run-off with Uceta 11/18-61%
25) Adonis Uceta (RHP) 9/20-45%
26) Jamie Callahan (RHP) 3/14-21%, Runoff with Holderman/Conlon 9/16-56%
27) PJ Conlon 6/16-38%
28) Nabil Crismatt 4/14-29%, Runoff with Holderman 10/17-59%
29) Colin Holderman 3/14-21%, Runoff with Blackham 7/13-54%
30) Matt Blackham 5/18 28%, Runoff with Becerra 9/13-69%
31) Steven Villines 3/15-20%, runoff with Becerra/James/Brodey 6/15-40%
32) Adrian Hernandez 3/17-18%, Run off with Becerra/James/Brodey 4/11-36%
33) Jhoan Urena (1b/3B) 3/16-19%, runoff with James 6/11-55%
34) Christian James (RHP) 4/16-25%, runoff with Nogosek 7/12-58%
35) Stephen Nogosek 8/17-47%
36) Jacob Rhame 4/16-27%
37) Quinn Brodey (OF) 5/20-25%, runoff with McNeil/Becerra 6/14-43%
38) Jeff McNeil (UTIL) 4/17-24%, runoff with Becerra/McGeorge 6/15-40%
39) Austin McGeorge (RHP) 6/13-46%
40) Cameron Planck (RHP) 5/16-31%
41) Mickey Jannis (RHP) 3/17-18%, runoff with Pobereyko and Becerra 9/15-60%
42) Matt Pobereyko (RHP) 6/14 43%
43) Bryce Hutchinson (RHP) 6/16-38%
44) Michael Paez (SS) 4/15-27%, Runoff with Becerra 9/16-56%
45) Harol Gonzalez (RHP) 5/14-36%
46) Warner Lagrange (OF) 7/14-50%
47) Wuilmer Becerra (OF) 7/17-41%
48) Chris Viall (RHP)
49) Blake Tiberi (3B)
50) Jayce Boyd (DH)
HM-
Ali Sanchez (C)
Matt Winaker (1b)
Gregory Guerrero (SS)
Hansel Moreno (SS)
Eric Hanhold (RHP)
Luis Carpio (SS)
Ryder Ryan (RHP)
Extremely highly thought of throughout the game. It's a risk but he's run a successful business and knows the game. I want Bloom but if they go BVG I'm on board.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/04/sports/baseball/yoenis-cespedes-stat-back-page.html?_r=0&login=smartlock&auth=login-smartlock - ( New Window )
https://paullebowitz.wordpress.com/2018/10/20/why-brodie-van-wagenen-might-succeed-as-mets-gm/ - ( New Window )
The only guy I have confidence can convice the Coupons to listen to him is Omar.
At this point, just make Omar the freaking GM. I wasn't much of a fan of the job he did last time out, but he at least convinced the Coupons to spend money on free agents, something I have no confidence anybody else can do.
Different sport, but Bob Myers--the Warriors' GM--is an agent turned GM who has had incredible success.
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I cant think of any recently and it goes without saying there aren't many examples of the mets org forging new terrain effectively.
Different sport, but Bob Myers--the Warriors' GM--is an agent turned GM who has had incredible success.
Of course, Myers doesn't have two imbecile owners meddling in basketball operations, however.
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Victor Victor and Victor Mesa Jr. are signing with the Marlins today.
They spoke with me in depth about their decision, their names, baseball in Cuba and their future in Miami: