Any rumors about the team lately?
Haven’t seen much in the mainstream lately on team and haven’t had much time to really follow the back alley sources.
Make the fucking playoffs more than twice in 20 years, then talk.
A Fucking Mets fan talking shit? Hilarious.
When I typed the post I knew you were going to respond just like you did. I hate to disappoint you, but I have no dog in the MLB fight. I don’t watch it but follow it very loosely on the Internet and whatever I pick up on sports radio. The Yankees are only down 2-1. It’s not over.
The primary news is the GM search, but I have bad news.. Â
Jeff Coupon is the team's head of baseball operations and the GM search is a farce as Coupon has final say on every baseball move. So nothing will really change with a new GM or front office, as Jeff Coupon is horribly unqualified to be a baseball executive.
Also, the "hot stove" is going to probably be cold. Expect the Coupons to sign no impact free agents and instead market the health of the starting pitchers and better play in the second half as reasons to not improve the roster.
RE: The primary news is the GM search, but I have bad news.. Â
Jeff Coupon is the team's head of baseball operations and the GM search is a farce as Coupon has final say on every baseball move. So nothing will really change with a new GM or front office, as Jeff Coupon is horribly unqualified to be a baseball executive.
Also, the "hot stove" is going to probably be cold. Expect the Coupons to sign no impact free agents and instead market the health of the starting pitchers and better play in the second half as reasons to not improve the roster.
Jesus. Aren't you a joy. What the hell happened to you man?
The Scottsdale team has a few Metsies on the roster. Gimenez, Alonzo. My wife & I are planning on going on a long weekend trip from Las Vegas to see a couple of games.
Is putting it mildly. It’s every retread name in the business being thrown around; with countless stories about anyone up and coming being not interested because of Jeff.
I mean we all know this so it’s frustrating to read, but also there are only 30 of these jobs, someone has to be willing to take it who isn’t utterly desperate.
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) 21/31- 68%
like it will be Gary Laroque... claim to fame is drafting Wright, his time running the Mets farm/draft overall was awful, 66 years old, zero experience making trades/signings... close with Fred... weeeeeee
Supposedly Fred won’t sit in the interviews but has final say... Jeff and Ricco will do the interviewing. Such a bizarre process, no wonder no one wants the job.
Is putting it mildly. It’s every retread name in the business being thrown around; with countless stories about anyone up and coming being not interested because of Jeff.
I mean we all know this so it’s frustrating to read, but also there are only 30 of these jobs, someone has to be willing to take it who isn’t utterly desperate.
Truly embarrassing, nobody even wants the job, pathetic!
The Scottsdale team has a few Metsies on the roster. Gimenez, Alonzo. My wife & I are planning on going on a long weekend trip from Las Vegas to see a couple of games.
I hope you and Mrs Boca have a good time. Please let us know how Gimenez and Alonzo do.
replaced an injured Hanhold. Amazing how the "deadline darlings" from last year... mostly ALL sucked or were hurt this year. Crazy.
Literally. The entire point of last year was so that thisoffseason no time, money or effort would need to be spent on the BP. Shuttle them this year, save arms and let their earn their stripes for 2019. Now we head into the offseason with more BP questions than answers. Great strategy that just didn’t work out (yet?)
this is an unscientific anecdotal opinion, but it seems to me the better strategy to working young guys into the major leagues is letting them learn a few things in middle innings and over time take on bigger roles (and workloads) later in games as they earn them. To do that you have to have a solid back end of the BP so they aren't thrust into those roles too quickly - which is where the Mets have failed this current crop the past 2 years. It's also hard to juggle so many mediocre young guys at the same time. There's probably still some hope for a few of them and getting even 1 reliable middle reliever out of that whole deadline would be a good outcome, but they need to do better bringing young relievers along in low leverage to figure out how to pitch in the big leagues. And to do that you need to have a solid BP of veterans who can handle the innings you don't want to thrust young guys into.
RE: they may all suck but the Mets don't do young relievers favors w usage Â
this is an unscientific anecdotal opinion, but it seems to me the better strategy to working young guys into the major leagues is letting them learn a few things in middle innings and over time take on bigger roles (and workloads) later in games as they earn them. To do that you have to have a solid back end of the BP so they aren't thrust into those roles too quickly - which is where the Mets have failed this current crop the past 2 years. It's also hard to juggle so many mediocre young guys at the same time. There's probably still some hope for a few of them and getting even 1 reliable middle reliever out of that whole deadline would be a good outcome, but they need to do better bringing young relievers along in low leverage to figure out how to pitch in the big leagues. And to do that you need to have a solid BP of veterans who can handle the innings you don't want to thrust young guys into.
To be clear I said they SUCKED or were injured. I'm not closing the door on the entire lot but performance wise... disastrous as a group.
Some like Ryder Ryan were extremely raw and had barely even pitched before. We were never going to know what we had in a little over a year and I agree, that in a terrible market, the hope was probably if you hit on one or two of the gambles the whole strategy becomes a success.
That said, you won’t see me defending any Mets pen this offseason. It’s arguably the biggest need on the team. Needs major work.
Some like Ryder Ryan were extremely raw and had barely even pitched before. We were never going to know what we had in a little over a year and I agree, that in a terrible market, the hope was probably if you hit on one or two of the gambles the whole strategy becomes a success.
That said, you won’t see me defending any Mets pen this offseason. It’s arguably the biggest need on the team. Needs major work.
Nogosek was a disaster, Bautista was a disaster, Hanhold was disappointing etc etc. It was more than just being raw arms struggling. Heck, Hanhold is 25 next month, Nogosek 24 in January, Callahan is 24... Bautista and Ryan were viewed as raw. The others were expected to be fast movers with the majority being late 2018 options or opening day 2019 candidates.
My point wasn't to take issue with any of their performance to date, it was simply that the Mets don't do any of these guys any favors with their usage. They should have 5-6 established veterans (3 or more of very high quality) in the BP and 1-2 slots they use to rotate kids based on earning the opportunity. The young guys should mostly pitch low leverage until they earn bigger opportunities. Part of the problem (IMO) has been having such a thin stable of veterans that we are forced to use the young guys in bigger spots than they are ready for and they get shelled. Sometimes you will get guys like Robles who just can't handle big moments but hopefully 1 of these guys actually pans out.
My point wasn't to take issue with any of their performance to date, it was simply that the Mets don't do any of these guys any favors with their usage. They should have 5-6 established veterans (3 or more of very high quality) in the BP and 1-2 slots they use to rotate kids based on earning the opportunity. The young guys should mostly pitch low leverage until they earn bigger opportunities. Part of the problem (IMO) has been having such a thin stable of veterans that we are forced to use the young guys in bigger spots than they are ready for and they get shelled. Sometimes you will get guys like Robles who just can't handle big moments but hopefully 1 of these guys actually pans out.
Eric,
I was mostly talking about the minor leaguers to be honest. Bautista was rushed. He was said to be raw, started hot and got some buzz and they rushed him through but the minor leaguers by and large were a disaster. I still think guys like Bashlor can be solid big leaguers but he really pretty much stunk for a soon to be 26 year old RP. 5.44 FIP. Yikes
Just have to commit to it. They have the numbers, which is ha.f the battle.
A good offseason cN change everything quickly, and for the next 5+ years. To be honest, I’m not confident though I’ve already established my astonishment that they have essentially wasted the past four months. First on the lack of PT for some young guys. Secondly, and more importantly, was how poorly they screwed up the non player side of the franchise. Instead of a jump start on rebuilding it,he instead put more severe cracks in the foundation. Media started to touch on it,but quickly got distracted by Yankee playoffs. Hopefully if/when Yankee news fades, Fred takes a shit ton of heat because he will listen...
RE: RE: Good news. They weren’t the most embarrassing ... Â
I still remember the first day walking by the fields and seeing Bautista having a catch. His raw a i,it’s just completely jumped off the field. I didn’t recognize him, since I’d never seen him before. But he so effortlessly just whipped the ball, it was really something beautiful to watch. I couldn’t wait to see him actually pitch. Well, he could still develop, but I just don’t see it happening. A shuttle arm, sure. But that’s all I see. But can always dream on his natural talent just clicking somehow one day.
Bashlor. I always wanted to fall in love with him. Always heard such incredible things about him. He’s got the makeup part down. The mental part to be a closer. The attitude. But I just never see the same thing everyone else sees. Usually I’m patient when everyone else sees something I don’t (and I’m usually the wrong one), so I hope I’m wrong once again. Just strikes me as a good who will. Look good,look like he’s about to break through. But instead breaks your heart. Then has a good to dom8nant season, gets overpaid, and disappears. Hope I’m wrong as Usual
Hanhold was pitching well before the injury. Ryan was decent all things considered. Smith doesn’t have huge K numbers but had a good year overall. I dont think it’s fair to only look at what these guys did in their last stops. Some had success and then struggled upon being promoted which is pretty normal I think. Not high on Rhame, Callahan, or Bautista but they throw hard and could conceivably improve their secondary offerings (again not likely to happen overnight). That’s pretty much what you want from fliers/gambles. Big arms that “maybe” can improve. Better than a bunch of Dillon Gee types.
I also think Zamora will find a place in the 2019 pen although he wasn’t a deadline deal last year.
Offer the Rockies Bruce, who may do well in the mile high with his “skill set”. I’d let them pick the return package. McGee, Shaw, Davis. Send us any one, two or three of them. Depends on how much salary the Rockies want to dump going into the offseason.
Then call the Twins and bad mouth Buxton. Offer them a fully paid By us Legares + something g they’d want.
Cleared up the OF.
Added vet arms to the pen, perhaps by eating money.
Most of the good middle relievers are converted starters like Lugo and Gsellman
Looks like they got a good loogy in Zamora. Maybe Bautista gains command and lives up to his stuff. That’s really all we should have expected from the deadline darlings, some of whom, like Rhame, would not have been put on their original teams 40.
Offer the Rockies Bruce, who may do well in the mile high with his “skill set”. I’d let them pick the return package. McGee, Shaw, Davis. Send us any one, two or three of them. Depends on how much salary the Rockies want to dump going into the offseason.
Then call the Twins and bad mouth Buxton. Offer them a fully paid By us Legares + something g they’d want.
Cleared up the OF.
Added vet arms to the pen, perhaps by eating money.
Here's a question for all - if the "something they want" is Alonso do you do it? I don't particularly love Buxton's hitting profile (too swing and miss) but I do think those are the types of trades that could make sense if they are going to deal Alonso. An AL team light hitting at 1b & DH with a high upside CF.
Sandy needed to go. Did the job he was brought into do by cleaning up Omar’s mess. He just stayed too long. New blood will help. Both Omar and Sandy were good in the beginnng. I expect the same from new GM
Starting rotation is top 5 in baseball . Starting pitching is still the most valuable commodity in baseball. Just look at the teams moving on in the playoffs.
Bullpen Needs depth. But Lugo and Gsellman
Are very solid and workhorses
Lineup: you just have to hope guys evolve. If the young guys evolve, lineup could be good. If not, they will struggle. But the potential is there. And quite honestly the Mets way has always been to develop young talent. Yankees try and buy pennants. As a lifelong Mets fan, I’ll take way more pleasure in winning it with young players from the organization
On the market you can get away with just a swap for a McGee/Shaw as the second piece. Or you probably have to sign an additional vet in liu of that swap. We have enough with Swarzak, Lugo, Smith, Zamora, and Gsellman to round out the pen IMO. You then can always add another piece later.
My order of importance is still
1.) RH hitting middle of the order bat(established player)
2.) Closer
3.) SU option
4.) Catcher
Make the fucking playoffs more than twice in 20 years, then talk.
A Fucking Mets fan talking shit? Hilarious.
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... MLB team from NYC tonight.
Make the fucking playoffs more than twice in 20 years, then talk.
A Fucking Mets fan talking shit? Hilarious.
When I typed the post I knew you were going to respond just like you did. I hate to disappoint you, but I have no dog in the MLB fight. I don’t watch it but follow it very loosely on the Internet and whatever I pick up on sports radio. The Yankees are only down 2-1. It’s not over.
Also, the "hot stove" is going to probably be cold. Expect the Coupons to sign no impact free agents and instead market the health of the starting pitchers and better play in the second half as reasons to not improve the roster.
Also, the "hot stove" is going to probably be cold. Expect the Coupons to sign no impact free agents and instead market the health of the starting pitchers and better play in the second half as reasons to not improve the roster.
Jesus. Aren't you a joy. What the hell happened to you man?
He turned down multiple teams.
I mean we all know this so it’s frustrating to read, but also there are only 30 of these jobs, someone has to be willing to take it who isn’t utterly desperate.
If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.
*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible
1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) 21/31- 68%
I mean we all know this so it’s frustrating to read, but also there are only 30 of these jobs, someone has to be willing to take it who isn’t utterly desperate.
Truly embarrassing, nobody even wants the job, pathetic!
I hope you and Mrs Boca have a good time. Please let us know how Gimenez and Alonzo do.
Literally. The entire point of last year was so that thisoffseason no time, money or effort would need to be spent on the BP. Shuttle them this year, save arms and let their earn their stripes for 2019. Now we head into the offseason with more BP questions than answers. Great strategy that just didn’t work out (yet?)
To be clear I said they SUCKED or were injured. I'm not closing the door on the entire lot but performance wise... disastrous as a group.
That said, you won’t see me defending any Mets pen this offseason. It’s arguably the biggest need on the team. Needs major work.
That said, you won’t see me defending any Mets pen this offseason. It’s arguably the biggest need on the team. Needs major work.
Nogosek was a disaster, Bautista was a disaster, Hanhold was disappointing etc etc. It was more than just being raw arms struggling. Heck, Hanhold is 25 next month, Nogosek 24 in January, Callahan is 24... Bautista and Ryan were viewed as raw. The others were expected to be fast movers with the majority being late 2018 options or opening day 2019 candidates.
Eric,
I was mostly talking about the minor leaguers to be honest. Bautista was rushed. He was said to be raw, started hot and got some buzz and they rushed him through but the minor leaguers by and large were a disaster. I still think guys like Bashlor can be solid big leaguers but he really pretty much stunk for a soon to be 26 year old RP. 5.44 FIP. Yikes
A good offseason cN change everything quickly, and for the next 5+ years. To be honest, I’m not confident though I’ve already established my astonishment that they have essentially wasted the past four months. First on the lack of PT for some young guys. Secondly, and more importantly, was how poorly they screwed up the non player side of the franchise. Instead of a jump start on rebuilding it,he instead put more severe cracks in the foundation. Media started to touch on it,but quickly got distracted by Yankee playoffs. Hopefully if/when Yankee news fades, Fred takes a shit ton of heat because he will listen...
Quote:
... MLB team from NYC tonight.
Make the fucking playoffs more than twice in 20 years, then talk.
A Fucking Mets fan talking shit? Hilarious.
I don't really see how that's talking shit, it seemed self-deprecating to me.
and it's only October 9th.
Bashlor. I always wanted to fall in love with him. Always heard such incredible things about him. He’s got the makeup part down. The mental part to be a closer. The attitude. But I just never see the same thing everyone else sees. Usually I’m patient when everyone else sees something I don’t (and I’m usually the wrong one), so I hope I’m wrong once again. Just strikes me as a good who will. Look good,look like he’s about to break through. But instead breaks your heart. Then has a good to dom8nant season, gets overpaid, and disappears. Hope I’m wrong as Usual
and it's only October 9th.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I also think Zamora will find a place in the 2019 pen although he wasn’t a deadline deal last year.
Thanks.
From the looks of these comments, nothing has happened I missed it side of the typical Coupon ownership fails.
Holding out faith this is the year they decide to go all in again
Perfect fit for this team in every way. Dude can mash and can play all over the field.
Good player, great fit, will get paid WAY more $$ than anyone expects
Then call the Twins and bad mouth Buxton. Offer them a fully paid By us Legares + something g they’d want.
Cleared up the OF.
Added vet arms to the pen, perhaps by eating money.
Looks like they got a good loogy in Zamora. Maybe Bautista gains command and lives up to his stuff. That’s really all we should have expected from the deadline darlings, some of whom, like Rhame, would not have been put on their original teams 40.
Then call the Twins and bad mouth Buxton. Offer them a fully paid By us Legares + something g they’d want.
Cleared up the OF.
Added vet arms to the pen, perhaps by eating money.
Here's a question for all - if the "something they want" is Alonso do you do it? I don't particularly love Buxton's hitting profile (too swing and miss) but I do think those are the types of trades that could make sense if they are going to deal Alonso. An AL team light hitting at 1b & DH with a high upside CF.
Starting rotation is top 5 in baseball . Starting pitching is still the most valuable commodity in baseball. Just look at the teams moving on in the playoffs.
Bullpen Needs depth. But Lugo and Gsellman
Are very solid and workhorses
Lineup: you just have to hope guys evolve. If the young guys evolve, lineup could be good. If not, they will struggle. But the potential is there. And quite honestly the Mets way has always been to develop young talent. Yankees try and buy pennants. As a lifelong Mets fan, I’ll take way more pleasure in winning it with young players from the organization
My order of importance is still
1.) RH hitting middle of the order bat(established player)
2.) Closer
3.) SU option
4.) Catcher