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NFT: Mets news updates?

giantsFC : 10/8/2018 11:33 pm
Any rumors about the team lately?
Haven’t seen much in the mainstream lately on team and haven’t had much time to really follow the back alley sources.
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Yep, talking to a LOT of smart people  
Shecky : 10/11/2018 1:29 pm : link
To pick theirs brains about what they’re screwing up
RE: Mets asking for permission  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 14119233 Metnut said:
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to speak with John Byrnes (VP of baseball operations for LAD).

I understand the skepticism but they are certainly trying to speak with a lot of promising candidates. I'm going to be optimistic here.


Josh Byrnes is NOT promising. He was a disaster in both Arizona and SD and is being interviewed in large part because... he hired Omar in SD. What's promising about a 2 time failure?
Arizona  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2018 1:35 pm : link
2005-2010

77 wins, 76 wins, 90 wins, 82 wins, 70 wins, 65 wins.. his 6 seasons as GM

SD

Lasted 2.5 seasons as GM

76 wins, 76 wins 77 wins
Hasn't he played a huge role  
Metnut : 10/11/2018 1:39 pm : link
in what the Dodgers are doing?

He's only 48 and was a baby in GM terms when with Arizona. I think people can learn from mistakes and being an integral part of one of the best run operations in MLB means a lot to me. High up assistant execs on successful organizations are guys the Mets should absolutely be talking to.

RE: Hasn't he played a huge role  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 14119283 Metnut said:
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in what the Dodgers are doing?

He's only 48 and was a baby in GM terms when with Arizona. I think people can learn from mistakes and being an integral part of one of the best run operations in MLB means a lot to me. High up assistant execs on successful organizations are guys the Mets should absolutely be talking to.


The Dodgers have Friedman in charge (who helped build the Rays) as well as Farhan Zaidi, one of the smartest men in the game... + the #1 most full-time analytical staffers and a monster payroll. There is little evidence to suggest Byrnes deserves a large part of their credit at very best he's third on the totem pole.
RE: Hasn't he played a huge role  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 14119283 Metnut said:
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in what the Dodgers are doing?

He's only 48 and was a baby in GM terms when with Arizona. I think people can learn from mistakes and being an integral part of one of the best run operations in MLB means a lot to me. High up assistant execs on successful organizations are guys the Mets should absolutely be talking to.


So then what was the excuse in SD? He might be smart but he has had zero success as a GM. He has Omar ties. Great. Here is what Keith Law said about Byrnes after he was fired by SD

"The San Diego Padres' decision to relieve Josh Byrnes of his duties as general manager is unsurprising, and was probably overdue, given the team's poor performance at the major league level and lack of production from young players, especially those acquired in trades or handed long-term contracts. The move, by itself, solves no problem, however. The Padres need to hire the right successor, a GM who has experience in scouting and player development, because there is no way a team with the Padres' low payroll can succeed without a productive farm system and coming out even or ahead in trades."

PASS.
Ughhh Dan...  
Metnut : 10/11/2018 1:45 pm : link
I'm sure you're right.

I just really want them to nail this hire and am looking for positive signs.
Matt  
DanMetroMan : 10/11/2018 1:50 pm : link
Arnold would be an inspiring hire. Young, smart, highly thought of. Stearns (who used to be with the Mets and is a Mets fan) speaks extremely highly of him. No opinion of this weird rumor of hiring an MLB agent. No way to judge them. Chernoff would be a get, but sounds unlikely, Forst the same deal.
Speaking of SD  
Shecky : 10/11/2018 2:11 pm : link
Prime team for the Mets to be talking to right now. Insanely DEEP farm, rule 5 issues, and would like to make a splash.

If we only had a GM...
I said early in this thread  
bhill410 : 10/11/2018 3:18 pm : link
But pound for pound imo josh Bryne’s is worst baseball gm in my lifetime
What if  
giantsFC : 10/11/2018 11:49 pm : link
They just wind up keeping this 3 headed fail GM for next year?

I mean the team did get stable after alderson left.

Maybe 3 failures can combine to make Vultron..,the ultimate GM
STILL?  
Shecky : 10/12/2018 11:22 am : link
No one wants to talk AFL???
RE: STILL?  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14124097 Shecky said:
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No one wants to talk AFL???


Alonso is 7 for 12 in three games. Gimenez I believe only played 1 so far and is .250 with a HR.


RE: What if  
ZGiants98 : 10/12/2018 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14122435 giantsFC said:
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They just wind up keeping this 3 headed fail GM for next year?

I mean the team did get stable after alderson left.

Maybe 3 failures can combine to make Vultron..,the ultimate GM


Transitioning from Sandy to the three execs had literally nothing to do with Conforto rebounding in the second half, McNeil busting on the scene, and a few players coming back from injury (Bruce).
How does Jose Reyes win an award that:  
pjcas18 : 10/12/2018 5:40 pm : link
Players are asked to select the single player in the Major Leagues they “most respect based on his leadership on the field and in the community.”

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Jose Reyes – New York Mets

In his 16th season, Jose earned the respect of his teammates with the professionalism he demonstrated in transitioning from everyday player to role player. He took on the responsibility of mentoring young players, including the Mets' promising young shortstop Amed Rosario.


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RE: How does Jose Reyes win an award that:  
Shecky : 10/12/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 14125453 pjcas18 said:
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Players are asked to select the single player in the Major Leagues they “most respect based on his leadership on the field and in the community.”



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Jose Reyes – New York Mets

In his 16th season, Jose earned the respect of his teammates with the professionalism he demonstrated in transitioning from everyday player to role player. He took on the responsibility of mentoring young players, including the Mets' promising young shortstop Amed Rosario.

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Sure, pick the wife beater over the nicest, happiest guy in all of baseball...
WTF  
Shecky : 10/13/2018 9:56 am : link
Do we need to do to get people to follow the AFL????

Dan, any chance you can do your daily minor league reports?
all 36 peter alonso home runs from '18  
CMicks3110 : 10/13/2018 10:17 am : link
.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhOVdpFJlrA - ( New Window )
Will someone please tell me about AFL?!?  
Metnut : 10/13/2018 6:42 pm : link
.
Desmond Lindsay made his AFL  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2018 10:09 am : link
debut in monster fashion.

2 for 4 with 2 solo HR's.

Alonso now 8 for 16 with a 1.3 OPS.

Vlad Guerrero Jr, batting a robust .643 (9 for 14) to lead the AFL.

Alonso is 5th.

Gimenez still has only played 1 game. not sure why.

Zanghi and Bautista have pitched, Zanghi hasn't allowed a run, Bautista 1 in 3 innings.

RE: all 36 peter alonso home runs from '18  
Ira : 10/15/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 14126055 CMicks3110 said:
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. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhOVdpFJlrA - ( New Window )


Thanks. I most enjoyed the inside the park homer.
RE: WTF  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 14126018 Shecky said:
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Do we need to do to get people to follow the AFL????

Dan, any chance you can do your daily minor league reports?


I find the AFL to be somewhat tedious/doesn't tell us much but you got it.
Top 11  
DanMetroMan : 10/15/2018 10:26 am : link
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.

*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) AA 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
8) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
9) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
10) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
11) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%

Mike Chernoff has turned down a chance to speak to the Mets.. not good.
I don't like following the AFL because  
NyquistX3 : 10/15/2018 12:01 pm : link
I feel like it doesn't tell us a lot about hitters. Pitchers in that league are often gassed or not high quality and the ball flies off the bat in Arizona.
We can agree to disagree  
Shecky : 10/15/2018 1:25 pm : link
I think the AFL May provide you more about prospects throughout the game better than anywhere at anytime. Not the stats necessarily. But clearly I’m in the minority by a large degree, so I get it.
.  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 9:13 am : link
Giménez and Alonso both went 0 for 4 . Nogosek threw a scoreless inning - 1 walk, 1 K. He's been a disaster this year.
Sherman article  
pjcas18 : 10/16/2018 9:19 am : link
on the disaster of a Mets GM search

some highlights:

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Mets ownership has promised autonomy before, but no one has ever left a Mets front-office job saying the head of baseball operations actually has unfettered power. Instead, they describe a situation in which, at best, the recommendations of the baseball head are followed but not until — regardless of the size of the issue — both owners are consulted (usually separately). As one former employee said, “Those are not two- or five-minute phone calls.”

Translation: Those in charge get worn down and use a lot of the workday clock with this setup.


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....But how does being too analytical jibe with what Jeff said in that end-of-year media briefing, that Alderson recommended not enlarging one of the smallest analytic departments in the majors? How can you be too analytical and yet have a tiny analytics department? And, by the way, don’t you think some good candidates noticed that Jeff put this on Alderson’s plate and also said his regime did not want to spend heavily on free agents?

Lack of appreciation/accountability from ownership also is not going to draw the best and brightest. Alderson brought stability and a strong public face at the worst of times for these owners (think Madoff), steered the Mets to an NL title, did not leave the cupboards bare of talent and — for goodness’ sake — is battling cancer. Do you think this ingratitude is not a talking point within the game?

So is the disconnect of what the Mets want and how they seem to be getting there, with Minaya and Terry Collins offering the old-school whispers Fred longs to hear while Ricco and Jeff canvass a wider field during interviews. What will emerge?....

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That article is terrifying...  
Metnut : 10/16/2018 9:29 am : link
if this team ends up with a yes-man retread for a GM and is run by some crazy 5 man-committee we are in big trouble.
i hate this franchise  
Eric on Li : 10/16/2018 9:39 am : link
of course whoever they go with deserves a chance, but if they don't spend money this winter and blow this hire on a retread that may finally be the end of paying attention until the wilpons are gone.
So far-  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 9:42 am : link
Rookie maximums for at-bats (130), games pitched (30) or innings (50) in the major leagues"

If the 2 leaders are within 5% of each other, or the leader has less than 35% there will be a run-off between the top 2. If a run-off results in a tie the tiebreaker will be vote total in the previous poll, we will continue to "go back" in the polls until there is a clear leader.

*Jeff McNeil is ineligible
*Chris Flexen is ineligible

1) Andres Gimenez (SS) AA 19/37 votes- 51%
2) Peter Alonso (1B) AAA 24/36 votes- 67%
3) Jarred Kelenic (CF) Kingsport 31/36-86%
4) Ronny Mauricio (SS) Kingsport 12/33-36%
5) Justin Dunn (RHP) AA 10/37-27%, Run-off with Mark Vientos 17/30-57%
6) Mark Vientos (3b) Kingsport 16/31-52%
7) David Peterson (LHP) A+ 21/31- 68%
8) Franklyn Kilome (RHP) AA 20/33-61%
9) Thomas Szapucki (LHP) A 18/32-56%
10) Shervyen Newton (SS) Kingsport 12/30-40%, Run-off with Anthony Kay 17/33-52%
11) Anthony Kay (LHP) AA 18/26-69%
12) Simeon Woods-Richardson (RHP) Kingsport 12/30-40%
13) Luis Santana (2B) 15/26-58%
Can someone tell me what I'm missing  
Metnut : 10/16/2018 9:53 am : link
on Andres Gimenez? He seems like a talented kid, but I'm very underwhelmed by him being the best prospect that the Mets have. That's not the sign of a good system IMO.

He's 20 years old and hit for zero power in limited time in AA. It's not like he really crushed A ball either. Guys like Acuna and Soto, both in our division, are the same age or younger and already raking in MLB.

Looks like he's a good defender who you hope can be an average offensive bat. Fine prospect but far from an elite one.

Please convince me I'm wrong.
RE: Can someone tell me what I'm missing  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 11:31 am : link
In comment 14130866 Metnut said:
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on Andres Gimenez? He seems like a talented kid, but I'm very underwhelmed by him being the best prospect that the Mets have. That's not the sign of a good system IMO.

He's 20 years old and hit for zero power in limited time in AA. It's not like he really crushed A ball either. Guys like Acuna and Soto, both in our division, are the same age or younger and already raking in MLB.

Looks like he's a good defender who you hope can be an average offensive bat. Fine prospect but far from an elite one.

Please convince me I'm wrong.


He's very polished, above average speed, should hit for some average. Hate to bring his name up but if Ruben Tejada had a more pop and actually gave a shit he would have had a 10 year career as a starting MI. Gimenez is likely not a future star but could be a 280+ 10+ 20+ MI
.  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 11:33 am : link
I'd like to see @Mets consider Amiel Sawdaye to replace Alderson. Not as "well known" as Bloom but quite the resume #Mets
RE: Can someone tell me what I'm missing  
Shecky : 10/16/2018 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14130866 Metnut said:
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on Andres Gimenez? He seems like a talented kid, but I'm very underwhelmed by him being the best prospect that the Mets have. That's not the sign of a good system IMO.

He's 20 years old and hit for zero power in limited time in AA. It's not like he really crushed A ball either. Guys like Acuna and Soto, both in our division, are the same age or younger and already raking in MLB.

Looks like he's a good defender who you hope can be an average offensive bat. Fine prospect but far from an elite one.

Please convince me I'm wrong.


That’s like wondering why a SP prospect doesn’t have a lot of saves in the minors... if Kelenic and Mauricio are a teams 3/4 prospect, that’s not too shabby ;). There’s depth and youth in our top prospects. That’s a damn good thing whether you’re looking to promote them or “promote” them.
Also  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 12:09 pm : link
Gimenez is nowhere near the prospect those 2 are/were. Not a knock, just not that caliber of talent. Those are are more talented than anyone the Mets have produced since Wright and quite frankly both have the potential to be as good, or even better than the captain. They are special. Vlad might be better than them both.. yikes.
RE: Sherman article  
Shecky : 10/16/2018 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14130815 pjcas18 said:
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Can’t say you weren’t warned about this when the season was wrapping up and that when it’s all said and done it will start to make more “sense”
Vlad  
Shecky : 10/16/2018 12:12 pm : link
Has all of the ability to be one of the greatest bats of all time. It’s that scary good. I just wonder how he holds up over time, that I’m not nearly as confident about. But that bat is so insanely rare, it can’t be described.
Acuna and Soto are phenoms - so that's a misguided expectation  
Eric on Li : 10/16/2018 12:13 pm : link
of any minor leaguer. It's like saying "Trout was in the majors at 19".

Here's what to like about Gimenez - he has advanced through the system quicker and been a more consistent player than Rosario - who was at 1 point a unanimous top 10 prospect in all of baseball. His overall athleticism isn't quite as flashy but as Dan said he has shown a lot of polish in the way he's consistently produced. Also it's not like he's a try hard david eckstein without talent, this past year he was voted to have the best glove and speed in all of A+. I believe he may have even had the best hit tool also but I can't find the article.

And for added context - he's held his own in AA despite being just 10 months older than Kelenic who is still in rookie ball. Gimenez may not be in the phenom category like Acuna or Soto, but he is 1 of the top minor league SS prospects and he's not that far away. He's also the type of player we've all been begging the team to add more of - good hitter, lots of XBH, doesn't strike out a ton, speed, defense, hustle, etc.
Pipeline  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 12:23 pm : link
gave Vlad the first 80 grade hit tool EVER. He's likely going to end up at 1b/DH but he has HOF caliber offensive upside.
Appreciate the thoughts  
Metnut : 10/16/2018 12:54 pm : link
on Gimenez guys. I think I'm still more excited about Alonso, but hopefully Gimenez can be a long term piece for us.

Would the long term plan be to trade or more Rosario to second? It looks like Gimenez is a better defender? Rosario's bat will really need to take a step forward next year for that plan to be viable. He definitely showed flashes and I think the kid can do it, but his bat barely played at SS, so we need him to really keep developing at the plate.
Mauricio is who I am really excited about  
Shecky : 10/16/2018 1:58 pm : link
If he can take that next step discipline wise - watch out.
RE: Appreciate the thoughts  
Eric on Li : 10/16/2018 2:36 pm : link
In comment 14131354 Metnut said:
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on Gimenez guys. I think I'm still more excited about Alonso, but hopefully Gimenez can be a long term piece for us.

Would the long term plan be to trade or more Rosario to second? It looks like Gimenez is a better defender? Rosario's bat will really need to take a step forward next year for that plan to be viable. He definitely showed flashes and I think the kid can do it, but his bat barely played at SS, so we need him to really keep developing at the plate.


Depends on how Rosario and Mcneil do this year. Rosario has athleticism but has yet to grade out well at SS. Maybe he moves to 3rd. If Mcneil doesn't entrench himself at 2nd, Gimenez would seemingly fit at 2nd (and I believe has played there some in the minors). If all of them look great, that's a good problem to have so there's no bad outcome.
,  
DanMetroMan : 10/16/2018 3:37 pm : link
SAL fan
2:44 is there any concern with Kelenic that he may have a Rutherfordish trajectory? I recall Blake being a pretty polished old-for-his class bat that did very well in the Appy, and then struggled since.

Kiley McDaniel
2:45 Rutherford was a tweener guy that lost a step and became a corner guy and Kelenic is a CF that could possibly lose a step, but seems less likely to do that given his build. He's also not as old as BR was and was generally seen as having a slightly superior combo of tools and performance, but they are in the same ballpark
2:46 I also think Kelenic has a little better game power potential in his swing than Rutherford does even now
.  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2018 9:20 am : link
Jenrry Mejia started for Toro and went 3 innings, giving up 2 ER on 4 hits, a walk and a K.

Alonso HR and 2b, poor marks at 1b.
The Syracuse situation  
Metnut : 10/17/2018 9:25 am : link
looks great. 25 year agreement. State and local going to throw in significant money to upgrade the stadium. It looks a bit like Citi Field in the mockups. Definitely a long overdue move as the Vegas situation was a disgrace.

Stadium mocks at the bottom of link


https://www.syracuse.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/10/ccbc0879c07886/check-out-syracuse-mets-new-lo.html - ( New Window )
There  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2018 9:27 am : link
is some belief because the Mets own the Syracuse team they may actually try and put out an okay roster. Hopefully that doesn't mean older guys playing over prospects.
There were some  
Pete in MD : 10/17/2018 9:38 am : link
rumors that the Mets were looking to move the AAA Syracuse team to other places (New Jersey was mentioned.) I guess that made the local government step up to keep them.
RE: There  
Metnut : 10/17/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 14132417 DanMetroMan said:
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is some belief because the Mets own the Syracuse team they may actually try and put out an okay roster. Hopefully that doesn't mean older guys playing over prospects.


While I get your point, building a stronger AAA roster will be a good thing IMO.

If the "older guys" are good AAA players, it means they would
likely be better emergency call-ups than lots of the garbage this organization has resorted to during the Alderson era.

RE: RE: There  
DanMetroMan : 10/17/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 14132439 Metnut said:
Quote:
In comment 14132417 DanMetroMan said:


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is some belief because the Mets own the Syracuse team they may actually try and put out an okay roster. Hopefully that doesn't mean older guys playing over prospects.



While I get your point, building a stronger AAA roster will be a good thing IMO.

If the "older guys" are good AAA players, it means they would
likely be better emergency call-ups than lots of the garbage this organization has resorted to during the Alderson era.


You say that and yet they didn't give guys like Brentz or Michael a look, so they bolted. Really strange decision making sometimes.
I think more and more  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2018 11:28 am : link
that I'd trade Alonso this off-season, especially if he's top 50 in the pre-season prospect ratings (not sure when they come out, and I'm pretty sure fans put more stock in them than teams do, but it doesn't hurt).

I feel like as prodigious as his bat may be, he'll wind up yet another Met to have a playable bat, but no "real" position.

I'd look to move him (not give him a way), but move him for players who better fit my vision for the roster of the Mets.

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