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NFT: 2019 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees

giantfan2000 : 10/9/2018 9:27 am
The full list of the Class of 2019 nominees:

Def Leppard
Devo
Janet Jackson
John Prine
Kraftwerk
LL Cool J
MC5
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Roxy Music
Rufus featuring Chaka Khan
Stevie Nicks
The Cure
The Zombies
Todd Rundgren

Wow...  
M.S. : 10/9/2018 9:31 am : link

...the Zombies weren't already in???

Their Classic British Invasion hits "She's Not There", "Tell Her No" and "Time of the Season" were as good as anything of that era. Probably better!

Wow... very under-rated group. It's time for the R&R HOF to rectify their decades-long mistake.
That's a hell of a class,  
Section331 : 10/9/2018 9:33 am : link
but I'm a little surprised to see Kraftwerk in there. Interesting band with some great musicians, but a little obscure. And how many albums did Chaka Khan make with Rufus, 2? The first one is fantastic.
finally  
giantfan2000 : 10/9/2018 9:40 am : link
seems like they are moving away from the pure American rock and roll
and starting to acknowledge influential bands

Devo
and The Cure should both be in the Hall

I still can't believe Pixies haven't even been nominated
LOL, what a joke  
Post Time : 10/9/2018 9:40 am : link
Half those bands aren't considered rock and roll and their music has never been Grammy nominated in the rock category, making my point.

I love John Prine, have seen him live multiple times, but NEVER considered his music rock and roll...
RE: LOL, what a joke  
pjcas18 : 10/9/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 14115355 Post Time said:
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Half those bands aren't considered rock and roll and their music has never been Grammy nominated in the rock category, making my point.

I love John Prine, have seen him live multiple times, but NEVER considered his music rock and roll...


aren't we past the whole "this rock 'n roll HOF nominee isn't a rock band/musician" complaint?

this has been going on since the inception. It would be more appropriately named the music hall of fame, but it's not.
I’m a huge music fan  
mattyblue : 10/9/2018 9:58 am : link
But pay no attention to the hall of fame. Seems to me like The Cure should have been in long ago though
Well there's nothing more  
allstarjim : 10/9/2018 10:16 am : link
Rock & Roll than a bunch of suits collectively deciding whether or not someone can be included in their exclusive club.

I've been there. The Rock & Roll HOF feels like an old folks home for music.

I say it on every RRHOF thread....  
NDMedics : 10/9/2018 10:18 am : link
.... for f@#ks sake, Warren Zevon!!!
RE: Well there's nothing more  
schabadoo : 10/9/2018 10:37 am : link
In comment 14115423 allstarjim said:
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Rock & Roll than a bunch of suits collectively deciding whether or not someone can be included in their exclusive club.

I've been there. The Rock & Roll HOF feels like an old folks home for music.


Just one guy. They could rename the place 'Bands Jann Wenner Likes'.
RE: LOL, what a joke  
schabadoo : 10/9/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 14115355 Post Time said:
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Half those bands aren't considered rock and roll and their music has never been Grammy nominated in the rock category, making my point.

I love John Prine, have seen him live multiple times, but NEVER considered his music rock and roll...


Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, etc, are in, going back decades. Not sure of your point.
Never equated Rock n Roll...  
bw in dc : 10/9/2018 11:03 am : link
with Janet Jackson.

I'd definitely cast a vote for Radiohead, The Cure and Todd Rundgren.
both no brainers  
UESBLUE : 10/9/2018 11:14 am : link
and head scratchers on that list.
RE: Never equated Rock n Roll...  
speedywheels : 10/9/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 14115542 bw in dc said:
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with Janet Jackson.

I'd definitely cast a vote for Radiohead, The Cure and Todd Rundgren.


You've never equated Janet Jackson with R+R, but somehow the Cure fit that bill??

Oooooookayyyy..
I can’t take any of this seriously  
Beezer : 10/9/2018 11:38 am : link
while Warren Zevon STILL isn’t in.

Is there a list of criteria?

Is there a list of voters?

The Cure fit a hell of a lot more closely  
Beezer : 10/9/2018 11:40 am : link
than Janet.

But that conversation/argument is pretty moot. Take a look at some of the inductees over the years and this really is not the rock and roll Hall of Fame. It’s the music Hall of Fame. That’s just the reality of it.
Springsteen loves  
johnnyb : 10/9/2018 11:44 am : link
Rage Against the Machine, so they will receive his support, which is pretty powerful.

Stevie Nicks should be part of the 2019 class, in my opinion.
Stevie Nicks, Def Leppard, the Zombies  
PatersonPlank : 10/9/2018 11:49 am : link
IMO
I don't know about you guys, but when I think Rock and Roll  
jcn56 : 10/9/2018 11:49 am : link
the first person I think of is LL Cool J...
RE: Springsteen loves  
NDMedics : 10/9/2018 11:50 am : link
In comment 14115651 johnnyb said:
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Rage Against the Machine, so they will receive his support, which is pretty powerful.

Stevie Nicks should be part of the 2019 class, in my opinion.


I don't know about that, Springsteen and Warren Zevon were pretty close friends.
RE: I can’t take any of this seriously  
NDMedics : 10/9/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 14115632 Beezer said:
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while Warren Zevon STILL isn’t in.

Is there a list of criteria?

Is there a list of voters?


I agree completely!!!
Rage should get in without anyone’s support  
UConn4523 : 10/9/2018 12:17 pm : link
one of the most influential groups of that era, ahead of its time in many ways.
I'm a RATM fan but not sure they make the cut  
weeg in the bronx : 10/9/2018 12:18 pm : link
Oh well.
What? No Meatloaf?  
Gross Blau Oberst : 10/9/2018 12:33 pm : link
Jobbed!
No Jethro Tull, Bad Company,  
Simms11 : 10/9/2018 12:52 pm : link
STYX....I don't get it?
It's just a  
Pete in MD : 10/9/2018 12:57 pm : link
manufactured tourist attraction...in Cleveland.
RE: LOL, what a joke  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/9/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 14115355 Post Time said:
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Half those bands aren't considered rock and roll and their music has never been Grammy nominated in the rock category, making my point.

I love John Prine, have seen him live multiple times, but NEVER considered his music rock and roll...


The Grammys are a fucking joke. If you're going to base hall nominees on Grammy nominations you are going to miss a lot of great music.
Been in the music business since before The Beatles broke up  
Waldo Jeffers : 10/9/2018 3:49 pm : link
Still am.

Let's put aside who isn't on this list.

There are more than several egregious non-nominee artists - Warren notwithstanding.

That said, The Zombies are one of the most under-appreciated bands in rock and roll history.

Their 1968 release "Odessey and Oracle" is nothing short of a miracle.

If nothing else this, their 4th nomination, should encourage those who have overlooked this masterpiece of pure pop perfection to give it a listen.

Preferably with headphones.

There's nothing else quite like it.

And John Prine is a national treasure.

Both deserve to be reconsidered by those who claim to love rock and roll.

All of that said, the Hall itself is a sham of a joke of a sham thanks for Yawn Wenner's influence on the choices.

The fact that the Hall is located in Cleveland is all you have to know to suspect fishy business.

Do yourself a favor and check out "Odessey and Oracle" starting with what those who have sampled it say on, say Amazon

Stepping off of soapbox.

Feeling lightheaded.

One more thing...  
Waldo Jeffers : 10/9/2018 4:07 pm : link
stop imposing your definition of rock and roll on artists like John Prine, or for that matter any of the artists nominated

Was a time when almost any genre of artist fit into the understanding of what rock and roll music was

It's a vast canopy that covers any and all music that was created by and for young people.

Those young people have stumbled into the higher demographics and a good percentage have refused to let go of their first love and common bond, rock and roll.

New types of music have emerged since those days but the original definition still applies with a few modifiers (mostly composed of older folks still loving or making the music.)

But rock and roll is itself, a composite of genres that have kept having inter-genre sex thus spawning new mutant babies.

A guy with an acoustic guitar and a gift for songwriting is as qualified for inclusion and a full-blown ear-splitting band.

It's a sin and a gross misunderstanding to have such a narrow-minded definition of what rock and roll is and should be.

As far as hip-hop and pop goes, are you going to be the one that says that group of people shouldn't be represented when the zeitgeist says otherwise.

Rock and roll has to be an ever-changing, ever-expanding entity or it will wither and die - never put qualifiers on art - you can have a healthy dislike for this genre or that sub-genre, but everything under that vast canopy has to be included in the broad definition of an ever-evolved art-form.
Sorry for the grammatical errors, etc. Driving and composing written  
Waldo Jeffers : 10/9/2018 4:10 pm : link
arguments have always had a drawback or three.
And Grammys? Jethro Tull once won for best heavy metal band  
Waldo Jeffers : 10/9/2018 4:17 pm : link
Grammys are to music what Olive Garden is to Italian restaurants.

KISS?  
jonnyess : 10/9/2018 5:02 pm : link
Yeah...I lost all interest in anything HOF related when they let KISS in a couple yrs back...
completely agree with the posters above as to the Zombies -  
Del Shofner : 10/9/2018 5:29 pm : link
some of the best rock of the British Invasion, and really the first band to work jazz influences in the way they did. Also great songwriters.

Agree about Zevon too.

That said, I couldn't really care less who is in or out of this Hall of Fame.
RE: RE: Well there's nothing more  
trueblueinpw : 10/9/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 14115472 schabadoo said:
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In comment 14115423 allstarjim said:


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Rock & Roll than a bunch of suits collectively deciding whether or not someone can be included in their exclusive club.

I've been there. The Rock & Roll HOF feels like an old folks home for music.




Just one guy. They could rename the place 'Bands Jann Wenner Likes'.


Yup. Just finished reading the Wenner biography, “Sticky Fingers”. Pretty good book for rock n roll and or Rolling Stone fans.
My picks:  
JerryNYG : 10/9/2018 8:53 pm : link

John Prine
Radiohead
Rage Against the Machine
Stevie Nicks
The Cure
The Zombies
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