Giants waive Ereck Flowers

bye.

he stinks.

I'm mad at the people that evaluated him and thought it was a good idea to draft him 9th overall.

would have been surprised if they found a trading partner, even for a seventh. They only got a seventh for Jones. He can play, and Minnesota needed a center. Draft picks are precious.

Complete ineptitude.

I kind of laughed at the bit about them not finding a trading partner. Like anyone's going to give up even a late round pick for a disgruntled player who failed at both tackle spots.

You end up reaching for a draft pick.. Nobody I knew thought he was a top 10 pick..

thought he was worthy of such a high pick, and make sure they're gone.

I know the HC/FO are gone - but the scouts remained mostly intact. If they haven't done a thorough accounting to determine whether or not any of those guys missed heavily in the past few years, we're just not going to see any improvement even if the other faces have changed.

In comment 14115571 jcn56 said:

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thought he was worthy of such a high pick, and make sure they're gone. I know the HC/FO are gone - but the scouts remained mostly intact. If they haven't done a thorough accounting to determine whether or not any of those guys missed heavily in the past few years, we're just not going to see any improvement even if the other faces have changed.

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In the 2015 draft, everyone knew the #Giants wanted Brandon Scherff. When the #Redskins took him at #5, Jerry Reese panicked & reached to select Ereck Flowers 9th overall. He did the same in 2016 with Eli Apple after the #Bears jumped in front to get Leonard Floyd.

they couldn't even get a 7th rounder for him....now that's bad.

One of the worst draft picks in the history of the NFL>

years. I'd suggest that, before Hernandez, Pugh was the only reasonably appropriate OL we've taken in a decade. (FYI,I always saw Richburg as an undersized C, not worthy of a 2nd round pick.)

Bisnowaty, Flowers, Hart, Richburg, Pugh, Herman, Brewer, Petrus. We have to go back to 2009 to get to Will Beatty, and I'd argue that even he didn't merit a late 2nd rounder.

to the phrase "Once a Giant, always a Giant"? Can we make an exception for this guy?

and he suddenly becomes a good player! haha

I don't even know him. But, as a player ... good effin' riddance. Thanks for nothing.

In comment 14115575 Anakim said:

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In comment 14115571 jcn56 said: Quote: thought he was worthy of such a high pick, and make sure they're gone. I know the HC/FO are gone - but the scouts remained mostly intact. If they haven't done a thorough accounting to determine whether or not any of those guys missed heavily in the past few years, we're just not going to see any improvement even if the other faces have changed. NFL Update ‏ @MySportsUpdate In the 2015 draft, everyone knew the #Giants wanted Brandon Scherff. When the #Redskins took him at #5, Jerry Reese panicked & reached to select Ereck Flowers 9th overall. He did the same in 2016 with Eli Apple after the #Bears jumped in front to get Leonard Floyd.

Be careful of your sources.

Giants/everyone knew Scherff would be gone before #9.

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and he suddenly becomes a good player! haha

Maybe as an OG. No way he does as an OT. Technique can be taught, but his feet of cement can't.

In comment 14115560 The Dude said:

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he stinks. I'm mad at the people that evaluated him and thought it was a good idea to draft him 9th overall.

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Another Jerry Reach epic fail...get him out of here pronto!

for Reece and Co has got to be the one of the worst draft classes in NFL history. There is ONE player (Collins) that was worth a damn.
FLowers - Collins - Owa - Mykkle Thompson - Geremy Davis
That is a collection of yuck.
This draft did him in.

Most scouting reports had him moving to guard in the pros.. and he lived up to his pre draft evaluation..

Seemed inevitable.

Still, sad.

That they gave him John Hicks old #

There a busts and then there are busts. 10th player in the entire draft? We may be thrilled he is gone, but this is a disaster.

In comment 14115628 Eric from BBI said:

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There a busts and then there are busts. 10th player in the entire draft? We may be thrilled he is gone, but this is a disaster.

Its been a disaster.. were they going to resign him even if he was on the team the whole year.. no.. they gave him a shot.. he sucked.. they cut bait..

smart move.. you cant fix it.. move on..

F*cking. Riddance.

Not only was a terrible player, but a petulant individual.

Albeit his injury concerns were very real

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for a week.

which means there were absolutely no takers.

In comment 14115649 David B. said:

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for a week.

Flowers can't give Philly any info, because he doesn't understand his assignments.

but most of the draft publications had him as a first rounder.

The worst thing to happen to him, beyond being drafted that high, was for Beatty to get hurt and have him inserted into the starting lineup from day 1. He obviously doesn't have the mental makeup to withstand that kind of adversity, and it showed.

In comment 14115575 Anakim said:

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In comment 14115571 jcn56 said: Quote: thought he was worthy of such a high pick, and make sure they're gone. I know the HC/FO are gone - but the scouts remained mostly intact. If they haven't done a thorough accounting to determine whether or not any of those guys missed heavily in the past few years, we're just not going to see any improvement even if the other faces have changed. NFL Update ‏ @MySportsUpdate In the 2015 draft, everyone knew the #Giants wanted Brandon Scherff. When the #Redskins took him at #5, Jerry Reese panicked & reached to select Ereck Flowers 9th overall. He did the same in 2016 with Eli Apple after the #Bears jumped in front to get Leonard Floyd.

Don't forget Muscle Hamster/Wilson. Never seen a GM get jumped so much, maybe someone in the FO blabbed too much.

In comment 14115570 chuckydee9 said:

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You end up reaching for a draft pick.. Nobody I knew thought he was a top 10 pick..

I wouldn't say that's 100% true, Beatty was a 2nd round pick. If fact he was supposed to start at LT the year Flowers was drafted. Blame Beatty ha

can all be gentleman and not kick the guy while hes down on the ground.

He stunk, but its not his fault he was overdrafted.

knew more than we credit him for. Didn't he write something recently about Flowers never being any good?

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In comment 14115628 Eric from BBI said:

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There a busts and then there are busts. 10th player in the entire draft? We may be thrilled he is gone, but this is a disaster.

^This.

In comment 14115649 David B. said:

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for a week.

Better yet, watch a team like the Seahawks or Dolphins sign him and move him to guard. ...And he plays well

unreal how this all turned out. He may have been a decent OG but never played that position. Even Sherff who was taken at pick 5 became a Guard.

This is why Reese was let go. Can't miss on the 9th pick in the draft.

Good luck Flowers.

and excluding this past year's draft - Flowers has to be considered one of the worst top 10 picks in the past 6 years.
Where he falls is debatable - here's my candidates for worst top 10 pick in the past 6 drafts in no particular order:
1.) Luke Joeckel
2.) Justin Gilbert
3.) Dion Jordan
4.) Barkevious Mingo
5.) Jonathan Cooper
6.) Chance Warmack
7.) Justin Blackmon
8.) Trent Richarson
9.) RG3
10.) Erik Flowers
Who ya got as the worst?

In comment 14115701 Dnew15 said:

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and excluding this past year's draft - Flowers has to be considered one of the worst top 10 picks in the past 6 years. Where he falls is debatable - here's my candidates for worst top 10 pick in the past 6 drafts in no particular order: 1.) Luke Joeckel 2.) Justin Gilbert 3.) Dion Jordan 4.) Barkevious Mingo 5.) Jonathan Cooper 6.) Chance Warmack 7.) Justin Blackmon 8.) Trent Richarson 9.) RG3 10.) Erik Flowers Who ya got as the worst?

Not sure you should include RG3 because he showed such promise his rookie year (I thought he was overrated that year, but still) and his coach got him injured.

Trent Richardson is a really bad one, but then they were somehow able to unload him for a high pick!

In comment 14115701 Dnew15 said:

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and excluding this past year's draft - Flowers has to be considered one of the worst top 10 picks in the past 6 years. Where he falls is debatable - here's my candidates for worst top 10 pick in the past 6 drafts in no particular order: 1.) Luke Joeckel 2.) Justin Gilbert 3.) Dion Jordan 4.) Barkevious Mingo 5.) Jonathan Cooper 6.) Chance Warmack 7.) Justin Blackmon 8.) Trent Richarson 9.) RG3 10.) Erik Flowers Who ya got as the worst?

I would not put RG3 on the list at all ..he got hurt and never recovered. The guy was brilliant as a rookie and should have only gotten better.

Looks like Pugh is struggling for the Cards at RG and Richburg has been associated with a concussion and a knee injury which has kept him in and out of practices/games with SF. In AZ, they are lamenting that Iupati and Pugh used to be "top ranked G's by PFF" but are not living up to it and are part of the worst OL in the league.

A guy who follows all Syracuse players in the NFL says "Pugh needs to start earning that big paycheck".

I know - who cares. But both of these guys rubbed me the wrong way and I was shocked they got huge paydays. Pugh still a lockerroom lawyer with nothing to back it up. It looks like both guys are doing to their current teams what they did here. Coach killers.

I was all for keeping him around. He has size, and plenty of NFL experience at a very young age. Give him a golf clap, and let's move on. I wish him his health, and no ill will, but as far as another team signing him, I could give a shit if he ever plays again. If he does play again, and do well, it will be because the rest of the line around him is good, not because of him. Goodbye.

In comment 14115713 mittenedman said:

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Looks like Pugh is struggling for the Cards at RG and Richburg has been associated with a concussion and a knee injury which has kept him in and out of practices/games with SF. In AZ, they are lamenting that Iupati and Pugh used to be "top ranked G's by PFF" but are not living up to it and are part of the worst OL in the league. A guy who follows all Syracuse players in the NFL says "Pugh needs to start earning that big paycheck". I know - who cares. But both of these guys rubbed me the wrong way and I was shocked they got huge paydays. Pugh still a lockerroom lawyer with nothing to back it up. It looks like both guys are doing to their current teams what they did here. Coach killers.

Thanks for that update!

In comment 14115566 BLUATHRT said:

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Complete ineptitude.

What about Tom Coughlin??? His name is written all over the pick (he's much more up Coughlin's ally than Reese's)!

I don't like to see players fail, but I'm not crying that Pugh is struggling in 'Zona. All that guy did was talk, talk, & talk.

It's hard to quantify what if any negative impact Flower's presence had on the team.

My guess, is that the coaches, front office and a lot of players all had had enough of Flowers, and he likely did something recently that was the straw that broke the camels back.

These guys are professionals, but they are also people who get pissed off and stressed like everyone else.

I think Flowers being gone is going to be a positive jolt to that locker room.

In comment 14115743 Milton said:

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In comment 14115566 BLUATHRT said: Quote: Complete ineptitude. What about Tom Coughlin??? His name is written all over the pick (he's much more up Coughlin's ally than Reese's)!

Well, here's his chance to pick up his old favorite for nothing. Just like all the other ex-Giants you've predicted would sign with Jax- who has taken exactly none. What's that tell you about who was in charge of personnel. Evidence is right in front of your eyes but you persist in error.