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NFL confirms that Giants got hosed on crucial play

gidiefor : Mod : 10/9/2018 2:14 pm
"Thanks for nothing.

That is essentially what the Giants have to say to the NFL office after receiving confirmation about something they already knew: Landon Collins should not have been called for a penalty in Sunday’s 33-31 loss to the Panthers."
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That and $4  
HoustonGiant : 10/9/2018 2:16 pm : link
will get you small, shitty coffee at Starbucks.....
Whoopdee-doo  
Anakim : 10/9/2018 2:16 pm : link
What do we get besides an insincere apology?
Sort of a huge call  
Harvest Blend : 10/9/2018 2:17 pm : link
.
Suspend Boger  
Essex : 10/9/2018 2:18 pm : link
and then I will take some notice that they have confirmed we got "hosed." Make the refs accountable.
Is that the same form letter they sent us  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
after the San Francisco debacle?
I'm not sure what's worse  
giants#1 : 10/9/2018 2:20 pm : link
that there is no penalty for Boger and his shitty crew or that the NFL offices think that was the only wrong call!
RE: Suspend Boger  
chopperhatch : 10/9/2018 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14115976 Essex said:
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and then I will take some notice that they have confirmed we got "hosed." Make the refs accountable.


I don't always agree with you, but I do here.
iF THAT WAS AGAINST US  
NewBlue : 10/9/2018 2:21 pm : link
They would have huddled, discussed, and picked up the flag, or as Boger would have said..."There is no FAG on the play the defender touched the Bawl"

They admit to one failure  
section125 : 10/9/2018 2:22 pm : link
and deny the others. BS.

Yes and it is "Oh Sorry, we made a mistake."

Means Booger will only get an NFCC/AFCC game instead of the Super Bowl and he is on double secret probation....
not Boger's call  
Alan in Toledo : 10/9/2018 2:24 pm : link
It was, I would guess, a back judge who made the call; the referee announces penalties invoked by other officials.

Of course, Boger did throw the flag when Newton flopped after being tapped in his chest.
RE: not Boger's call  
giants#1 : 10/9/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14115986 Alan in Toledo said:
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It was, I would guess, a back judge who made the call; the referee announces penalties invoked by other officials.

Of course, Boger did throw the flag when Newton flopped after being tapped in his chest.


A fish rots from the head.

But you're right, it was either the BJ or LJ that threw that flag. If it was the BJ, then its likely the same guy that missed the blatant facemask on Shepard.

I think Boger talked the other ref out of the facemask penalty on Peppers.
Jackrabbit is right,  
Section331 : 10/9/2018 2:28 pm : link
we need better referees. I'm empathetic to the idea that they are asked to rule on more and more judgement calls, but the NFL has to get this under control. Officiating has been brutal.
"Fawulse stawt..."  
Mr. Bungle : 10/9/2018 2:28 pm : link
- the Bumbling Idiot
I hate that they all talked about it before confirming the penalty  
NoGainDayne : 10/9/2018 2:28 pm : link
not one of those idiots saw Collins made a play on the ball.
Refs are trying to hard to look for penalties.  
Blue21 : 10/9/2018 2:31 pm : link
A 1 and 3 team (now 1 and 4) can't overcome these types of mistakes by officials especially multiple ones during a game. I've been watching football for over 60 years I have never seen so many eras and stupid calls by refs in my entire life.
If they want these "clarifications" to have meaning  
Mike from Ohio : 10/9/2018 2:33 pm : link
how about including a quote from whoever threw the flag explaining why they threw a flag on something that didn't happen? I get missing a holding call or not seeing a facemask because you were behind the play...that doesn't mean it's ok but they are human and miss things. What I don't understand is how you threw a flag for something that didn't happen?

How did the ref see helmet to helmet contact but not see LC getting both hands on the ball? If he couldn't see the ball, what was he watching instead, and how did he get back around in time to see the hit a fraction of a second afterwards? What is the correction for an official who throws flags for things that never happened?

Nope, if it happens 20 more times this year it just means he won't get to ref playoff games!
RE: If they want these  
giants#1 : 10/9/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 14116007 Mike from Ohio said:
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how about including a quote from whoever threw the flag explaining why they threw a flag on something that didn't happen? I get missing a holding call or not seeing a facemask because you were behind the play...that doesn't mean it's ok but they are human and miss things. What I don't understand is how you threw a flag for something that didn't happen?

How did the ref see helmet to helmet contact but not see LC getting both hands on the ball? If he couldn't see the ball, what was he watching instead, and how did he get back around in time to see the hit a fraction of a second afterwards? What is the correction for an official who throws flags for things that never happened?

Nope, if it happens 20 more times this year it just means he won't get to ref playoff games!


I assume (hope) the clarifications given to the teams do include that info. These are just "leaks" though as the clarifications typically aren't made public.

I'm guessing the Packers have received several "clarifications" justifying the BS roughing the passer penalties they've had this year.
Something has to happen  
uconngiant : 10/9/2018 2:41 pm : link
This cannot continue and something needs to be done by the Commissioner and some suspensions need to be handed out for officials
It seems two of the calls made  
Mike from Ohio : 10/9/2018 2:49 pm : link
The hit by LC on Funchess and the roughing call against Wynn for hitting Newton, were both the result of those players not getting up immediately and signaling that they were hurt. It seems that some of the refs are now throwing flags based on that and an assumption that a hit must have been dirty if a player is holding his helmet.

The amount of bad calls is only going to increase if the officials are cognizant that players will game the system and they can't be so gullible as to fall for it without seeing an actual penalty.
Unreal  
rdt288 : 10/9/2018 2:58 pm : link
Why even acknowledge mistake if it can’t be fixed. What a sports atrocity that was
RE: Unreal  
giants#1 : 10/9/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 14116044 rdt288 said:
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Why even acknowledge mistake if it can’t be fixed. What a sports atrocity that was


That's why they don't publicly acknowledge these things. But the teams ask for clarifications so they can correct the issues, though in this case there was nothing for the defenders to fix since the refs f***** up.
RE: Something has to happen  
bw in dc : 10/9/2018 3:03 pm : link
In comment 14116028 uconngiant said:
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This cannot continue and something needs to be done by the Commissioner and some suspensions need to be handed out for officials


Suspended for what? Doing what the league office says - when in doubt, throw a flag?

No, sorry, this is on the Rules Committee and the Commissioner. They are dictating how the refs should call the games. Don't get me wrong, errors are made in every game by every ref with a flag. But the league is erring on the side of caution.

Further, and I really have no evidence to prove this other than a hunch, but I think the suits love this week after week controversy stuff with officiating.

At the end of the day, the NFL is just another television show trying to maintain and improve ratings. And any PR - good or bad at this point - is good PR for the NFL. Just more added drama to layer into the actual game drama...
Should have been a penalty on Car  
ron mexico : 10/9/2018 3:05 pm : link
the WR earholed Collins. He had just as much of a right to the ball

I miss the days of letting players play  
Simms11 : 10/9/2018 3:10 pm : link
football. The new rules were put in place for player safety, but for goodness sakes when you have to confer with the other officials and they all come away with the same decision I don't know where to start?!
Shit happens...  
M.S. : 10/9/2018 3:12 pm : link

...especially to bad teams.

I still don't understand the 3rd & 1 play  
Rjanyg : 10/9/2018 3:26 pm : link
that was not a first down and if it was close ( which it was, they needed to at least measure. Not sure it would have mattered except the 10 second run off of time due to review may have prevented Carolina from attempting the Field goal on 4th down because I believe the clock starts on the referees signal not on the snap of the ball.
Missed Call on Shepard  
Samiam : 10/9/2018 3:28 pm : link
Besides the missed facemask, I think there was a worse noncall in the first quarter. On the Giants first drive, they made a first down. Then there was a 3rd down pass to Shepard that was incomplete and the Giants had to punt. But, Shepard was hit by the DB beyond the 5 yards from the line but worse, he was mugged by the DB when he went for the ball. The DB was grabbing him way before the ball got there. Even the announcer said that Carolina got away there. That noncall was a turnover as was the penalty on Collins on 3rd down.The Giants are not that good to have these kind of "turnovers" plus real ones. What really pissed me off later was the call on Webb whose contact wasn't nearly as bad as the missed one and Shepard and then throw in that extra 15 yards for complaining about a bullshit call.
But but but  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/9/2018 3:32 pm : link
Bbi white knight said the refs are not to blame!

I'd rather watch Brian Boitano twirling around in a bedazzling skin tight sequined outfit getting a high score from the judges for artistry rather than this crap!
I agree, the explanations should be made public  
SHO'NUFF : 10/9/2018 4:36 pm : link
or risk losing fan interest.
RE: Suspend Boger  
LeftHook : 10/9/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14115976 Essex said:
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and then I will take some notice that they have confirmed we got "hosed." Make the refs accountable.

Fuck it suspend the whole crew, they earned it. Send a god damn msg. Horrid officiating sunday
Ridiculous  
Marty866b : 10/9/2018 6:08 pm : link
That is the only mistake the league will admit to from that game? What a joke! There were at least a half a dozen plays that were called wrong. That roughing the passer on Wynn was just incredibly bad. Cam Newton running out of the pocket and Wynn hits him in the chest taking only one step after the ball is released. The NFL has become a joke and an embarrassment. The game used to be so much better.
They said..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/9/2018 8:16 pm : link
today that the 3rd and 1 play by McCaffery was reviewed. I call bullshit.

No way that's reviewed without stopping play.
I've always said  
MTN-G-man : 10/9/2018 9:05 pm : link
if they would just give everyone a trophy at the end of the game, players and fans wouldn't feel slighted!
RE: They said..  
Matt M. : 10/9/2018 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14116405 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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today that the 3rd and 1 play by McCaffery was reviewed. I call bullshit.

No way that's reviewed without stopping play.
Their explanation was BS. It was looked at quickly in the booth and determined that a review was not necessary. So, it wasn't really reviewed anyway.
Lousy officiating makes the product lousy  
D_Giants : 10/9/2018 10:26 pm : link
The NFL may not realize just how alienating BAD game-deciding calls are to viewers. It results in wasting 2 hours of commercials and an hour of a game that, in the end, turns on a moronic official’s bad vision, silly opinion, or misunderstanding of the rules. It can literally end a season, before any playoffs or in the playoffs. The quality of the officiating makes the results less than valid.
RE: Shit happens...  
D_Giants : 10/9/2018 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14116060 M.S. said:
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...especially to bad teams.


Thank you for your profound insight.
Anyone..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2018 8:19 am : link
ever think that maybe some teams are bad in part because they are fucked by poor calls?

When I hear the old adage that good teams overcome bad calls, while that can be true, it can also be true that good teams get hosed and lose. I can think of the Seahawks vs. the Steelers as one example.

Hell, the USA was the best basketball team in the world and couldn't overcome a loss in the 72 Olympics. Why??
RE: Anyone..  
Giantfan in skinland : 10/10/2018 8:38 am : link
In comment 14117228 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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ever think that maybe some teams are bad in part because they are fucked by poor calls?

When I hear the old adage that good teams overcome bad calls, while that can be true, it can also be true that good teams get hosed and lose. I can think of the Seahawks vs. the Steelers as one example.

Hell, the USA was the best basketball team in the world and couldn't overcome a loss in the 72 Olympics. Why??


Especially in the age of parity, the line between 10-12 wins and 6-8 wins is very thin. Luck, bad calls, health...these all play a huge role in teams making runs into the playoffs almost every time.
Even good teams..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2018 8:47 am : link
would have a hard time winning when the other team is given 17 points on drives extended because of poor calls.

And yet, the Giants still almost won. Going from making a team punt to giving up a TD because of a call that is blatantly wrong at the time and the flag could easily have been picked up (like the one for a facemask) is tough to overcome.

By the way, since we've all watched a shitload of games, can we name a significant call the team has gotten that really screwed the other team? Like a tackling by the helmet call or moving the ball forward on a measurement? I can point to a lot of fortunate calls the Yanks have gotten. The Giants? Not sure I can point to a single one that dramatically impacted a game.
the only possibility I can think of is....  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:01 am : link
the Victor Cruz "giving himself up" nonfumble vs Arizona in 2011. That one was debatable.
That's a..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/10/2018 9:09 am : link
really good one.

That was bullshit.
RE: Even good teams..  
giants#1 : 10/10/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 14117260 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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would have a hard time winning when the other team is given 17 points on drives extended because of poor calls.

And yet, the Giants still almost won. Going from making a team punt to giving up a TD because of a call that is blatantly wrong at the time and the flag could easily have been picked up (like the one for a facemask) is tough to overcome.

By the way, since we've all watched a shitload of games, can we name a significant call the team has gotten that really screwed the other team? Like a tackling by the helmet call or moving the ball forward on a measurement? I can point to a lot of fortunate calls the Yanks have gotten. The Giants? Not sure I can point to a single one that dramatically impacted a game.



How many bad calls are 'good' teams expected to overcome each game? 1-2 borderline ones is one thing, 3-4 egregious ones is a completely different story.

Detroit lost a playoff game due to a blatant PI against DAL that was missed. Too bad they weren't good enough to overcome it.

DAL then lost the following week when they weren't good enough to overcome the questionable call on the Dez 'catch'.

Seattle lost the SB to Pitt when they weren't good enough to overcome some BS penalties.
here's my beef with that kind of analysis  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:29 am : link
It assumes that Carolina played some kind of flawless game, that they somehow "deserved" to win even without the many breaks they received courtesy of the Ladies Man. And that's just nonsense.
RE: That's a..  
Mike in NY : 10/10/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 14117278 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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really good one.

That was bullshit.


Coincidentally enough, the official that called that was Jerome Boger. I also think we got a favorable forward progress being stopped before fumble that year in NFC Championship at San Francisco. I have seen progress stopped for longer and it isn't ruled
eh....I think that one was called correctly  
Greg from LI : 10/10/2018 9:40 am : link
Although I agree that I've seen forward progress whistled more slowly, I don't think that makes the one from SF a bad call.

The Arizona one was pretty bad. If I were a Cards fan, I'd still be furious about that one.
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